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Mallett: South African teams are not performing

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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
25 Apr 2014, 02:21
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25 Apr 2014, 02:21#1

Mallett: South African teams are not performing


Former Springbok coach Nick Mallett believes South Africa's conference is the weakest in Investec Super Rugby in 2014 .

Speaking on Supersport, Mallett said the conference was 'significantly weaker' than Australia or New Zealand's conferences and the South African sides were not performing.

South African sides, with the exception of the Sharks, lacked the ability to create opportunities on attack and to score tries.

Mallett said it had been a 'terrible' season for South African teams with the Lions, Stormers and Cheetahs in the last three places on the points table and the second team, placed ninth.

Mallett also produced figures to back his comments.

South Africa:
Teams had played 43 games, had won 17, scored 13 bonus points and 72 tries and had 85 points.

Australia:
Teams had played 40 games, for 22 wins, 16 bonus points, 91 tries and 104 points.

New Zealand:
Teams have played 39 games and had won 20 while scoring 19 bonus points and 98 tries for 103 points.

In spite of having played four games less than South African sides, New Zealand sides had scored 26 more tries than South African teams.

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
25 Apr 2014, 02:25
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25 Apr 2014, 02:25#2
"In spite of having played four games less than South African sides, New Zealand sides had scored 26 more tries than South African teams"

unless u have been living under a rock since birth, theres know one who in the world who would be surprised by this.

in fact, the ponly thing im surprised with is we havent scored more tries,
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Apr 2014, 03:33
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25 Apr 2014, 03:33#3
Mallett must be thoroughly disliked by his fellow coaches....a staff type guy who carps from the sidelines. He forgets in his last year we were bottom of the TN losing 4 out of our 5 tests....including two thumpings by Oz. That year Oz beat the Boks by 90 points to 47....they almost doubled our score. Who cares what he thinks.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
25 Apr 2014, 03:44
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25 Apr 2014, 03:44#4
Mallett had a better record than Jake and he is right in that the tactics employed by top SA sides like the Bulls and Stormers are poor and conservative, yielding shit results......its the same poor tactics the Boks employ
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,295 posts
25 Apr 2014, 04:22
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25 Apr 2014, 04:22#5
Mallett is a good talker. 
It is common sense that the tactics are wrong, but a coach should be able to teach players the skills to be able to implement a backline attack.
The worst Springbok backline ever had Louis Koen at flyhalf and Braam Van Straaten at inside centre. 
This was one of the last backlines selected by Mallett, and the only time the boks lost to Wales (or the 2nd time). Sasuke, please check the record files and update this thread with the stats.
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
25 Apr 2014, 04:34
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25 Apr 2014, 04:34#6

 Sharkbok

 

Whilst I agree that Koen and Van Straaten were a below poor combination correct me if I'm wrong but didn't they play under the clueless Rudolph Straueli's tenure?

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,295 posts
25 Apr 2014, 05:13
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25 Apr 2014, 05:13#7
 @Denny I think it was under Mallett around 1999 that this the worst combination ever was fielded. 
"Brain dead" Van Straaten was probably my worst rugby player ever. 
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,295 posts
25 Apr 2014, 05:16
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25 Apr 2014, 05:16#8
 Seeing as Sasuke has been so slow to respond with the stats, I myself have found some details.
I think it was the test in 1999. 26 June 2004Loftus Versfeld, Pretoria53 – 18 South Africa15 June 2002NewlandsCape Town19 – 8 South Africa8 June 2002Vodacom Park, Bloemfontein34 – 19 South Africa26 November 2000Millennium Stadium, Cardiff13 – 23 South Africa26 June 1999Millennium Stadium, Cardiff29 – 19 Wales14 November 1998Wembley StadiumEngland20 – 28 South Africa27 June 1998Loftus Versfeld, Pretoria96 – 13 South Africa15 December 1996National Stadium, Cardiff20 – 37 South Africa2 September 1995Ellis ParkJohannesburg40 – 11 South Africa26 November 1994National Stadium, Cardiff12 – 20 South Africa24 January 1970National Stadium, Cardiff6 – 6  draw
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
25 Apr 2014, 09:51
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25 Apr 2014, 09:51#9
 Tx Sharkbok, I'll check it out, still think clueless and clueless played under clueless, Rudolph.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Apr 2014, 11:50
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25 Apr 2014, 11:50#10
 Mallet is excellent - a top rugby brain as his comments on TV show. That he is not coaching a SA Super 15 side is a tradgedy.Mallet gets it spot on again and again.
What needs to be borne in mind is that The Stormers are missing 11 players some of them key players. At full strength they would definitely be top 6. With at decent coach they might weven have won the Super 15. Bulle are about as low as they will be in the log. Once at home they will climb to top 6 or thereabouts. We have three sides with a squad to make top six.
Cheetahs -the loss of their defence coach was a disaster but again at full strength are defintely top ten material. Lions are better than in previous years.
Some oaks here simply cannot understand that having 49 Boks and over 300 professionals playing overseas has weakened our depth and experience. 







CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
25 Apr 2014, 12:28
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25 Apr 2014, 12:28#11
 Saffex

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April 25, 2014, 01:44:33 Mallett had a better record than Jake and he is right in that the tactics employed by top SA sides like the Bulls and Stormers are poor and conservative, yielding shit results......its the same poor tactics the Boks employ



Mallett's so-called record, compared to that of Jake White is often pushed down everybody's throats. Equally the issue of Jake White riding on Eddie Jones' back. Interesting to  note that Mallett's winning streak came to an end the moment that he fired Jake White.............
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Apr 2014, 12:41
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25 Apr 2014, 12:41#12
windpomp, Mallet I believe won the French domestic comp. He did very well with a limited Italian squad.
He talks more sense than any other coach I have heard. He is acleaver experienced coach who understa nds the modern game.
He, Rassie, Venter, Meyer and Jake are our best coaches yet only Jake and Meyer are coaching!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!How dumb is that.
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
25 Apr 2014, 12:59
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25 Apr 2014, 12:59#13
 Mallett did fokol with the Italian team. He was one of the worst coaches they had. They only had two coaches with a worse record than Mallett. He only won 9 out of  42 tests. His predecessor, Pierre Berbizier, won 13 out of 31 tests including one draw as well. The one who was worse than Mallett was Massimo Macioletti who did not win a single test, but he only coached them for four tests.  The other was Brad Johnston who only won 4 out 26.


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Apr 2014, 13:03
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25 Apr 2014, 13:03#14
 What about him winning the french Comp? W hy do you ignore that part?windpomp Mallet is a very good coach and has great rugby nouus. You probably dont understand what he says most of the time. BwhaahahahahahhahaNow please apply yourself to the brumbies match lest you make some unfortunate comments in that regard as well.
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
25 Apr 2014, 13:30
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25 Apr 2014, 13:30#15
 Which one would be more important. Two French domestic titles or a useless international coaching record? His Bok record is already flawed because of his total collapse after he got rid of White. Hanging onto two Top14 titles is clutching at straws.

He pissed off the Italians towards the end of his tenure by doing stupid things. He selected their no 8, IIRC, at scrummie, only to be humiliat ed in that particular test.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Apr 2014, 14:36
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25 Apr 2014, 14:36#16
 You are totally biased windpomp. His international record is fine and winning two French domestic titles cements that impression as does his very insightful comments and insights of games. One game Italy played against the Boks here in SA they did very well

Moonie kak praat windpomp asseblief oak! 
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Apr 2014, 14:36
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25 Apr 2014, 14:36#17
 You are totally biased windpomp. His international record is fine and winning two French domestic titles cements that impression as does his very insightful comments and insights of games. One game Italy played against the Boks here in SA they did very well

Moonie kak praat windpomp asseblief oak! 
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
25 Apr 2014, 14:57
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25 Apr 2014, 14:57#18
 Nahhh Beenbal. You are the one who is farting in the wind. Your Mallett is muh like your Rassie. He has had two lucky breaks in the CC, many moons ago just like Grootbek Nick had with SF, and apart from that he has achieved fokol. Italy was all but fine under Mallett, else they would have renewed his contract. It is not as if he decided not to commit for another stint with Italy, they didn't want him.


Italian rugby chiefs decide not to renew Nick Mallett's contract • Coach to leave Azzurri after the World Cup
• Perpignan's coach Jacques Brunel likely to take over

  • theguardian.com, Sunday 24 April 2011 11.32 BST

  • Nick Mallett, who coached Italy to last month's historic Six Nations victory over France, will lose his job after this year's Rugby World Cup. Perpignan's coach Jacques Brunel, whose side meets Northampton in a Heineken Cup semi-final next weekend, is poised to take over.

    The departure of the English-born Mallett, who has also successfully coached the Springboks, will alert clubs in England and France.

    The 54-year-old Mallett, who succeeded Pierre Berbizier as the Azzurri's head coach following the 2007 World Cup, could not prevent Italy from losing their other four games in the Six Nations and the Italian Rugby Federation (FIR) to extend his contract beyond this year. Mallett is believed to have wanted to continue in the role.


    A statement from the FIR said, "The president of the Italian rugby Federation Giancarlo Dondi met coach Nick Mallett to inform him personally of the decision taken by the federal council regarding his eventual contract extension.


    There you have it. He was virtually fired.


    MO
    MozartCaptain49,914 posts
    25 Apr 2014, 18:26
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    25 Apr 2014, 18:26#19
    Rassie and Mallett are very similar characters.....guys who are happier in a staff role dumping on the coaches who are at the front. Neither of these men have the stability and fortitude to mount a long campaign....they might be ok as turnaround artists, but would quickly drift into conflict and bizarre decisions.
    CL
    clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
    25 Apr 2014, 18:59
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    25 Apr 2014, 18:59#20
    Dof Doos and Bulshit Bertie aka Mozart at it again.   Mallett has the audacity to criticize their favoured players and their lack of skills and now nobody cares about what he says.   In his criticism he is supported by virtually all commentators.  
    The problem remains Mallett is in this case right.   If you analyse the backline abilities of most of our backlines the situation remains -
    *   They are poor in reading games and take the wrong options;*   They kick balls aimlessly;*   Their passing and catching skills are poor;*   They have no idea about running lines -so bad that if a player makes a line break there is no backline player to carry the ball further.*    There is no tackle ball protection and recovery from the loosies and no support by the loosies in ball carrying in space.
    To add to the above their  defense is questionable.   Any player with a missed tackle ratio in excess of 20% is a disgrace who should not be in the team.    The result is that our backlines are misfiring all the time.   The centers with extremely rare exceptions are virtually guilty of all of the above deficiencies since their skill sets are abysmal and there decision making a complete bugger-up.    
    Anybody who does not realize it - a lot of members on this site are oblivious to the problems and keep on punting skills-deficient players -  is a fool and that is the end of the story.
    MO
    MozartCaptain49,914 posts
    25 Apr 2014, 19:21
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    25 Apr 2014, 19:21#21
    Down boy....I'll give you a biscuit.  
    MO
    MozartCaptain49,914 posts
    25 Apr 2014, 19:26
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    25 Apr 2014, 19:26#22
    Vlag your point on Mallett sans jake White is an interesting one....with that critical personality he probably needed some kind of buffer that took away a bit of the acid. Remember his comment about us not being able to compete with Island backs? What a crushing statement for his own team.
    PA
    PapamoaClub Pro683 posts
    25 Apr 2014, 21:32
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    25 Apr 2014, 21:32#23
     I hope he's right for the Highlanders sake.
    CE
    CeradynePro9,374 posts
    25 Apr 2014, 22:53
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    25 Apr 2014, 22:53#24
     @Ou Maaike, gaan kak. Read what the argument was about. As usual you have no fucking clue and you have once again jumped the gun. My remark about Nick Mallett had fuck all to do with his remarks about players and all about your mate Safesex' idea about Mallett's "better" record than Jake White. As for the rest of your babbling, I am not interested in your bullshit, and did not read it. So, the usual applies to you................. piss off.

    @Moz. Mallett's downfall started with "that" test when he decided to follow his own head and ignore Jake's advice. He, Mallett, decided to stick with his other buddy Snake  Solomons and told Jake to piss off. The result was a klap by the Pomms which ended his winning streak, and that started his downward spiral. From that point onwards he lost 11 and won 11 tests. Some of his wins in that period were against Italy (twice), Spain, Uruguay, Scotland and Canada......... nothing to write home about.
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