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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Dec 2013, 09:27
#1
11 Dec 2013, 09:27#1

Presidents, Kings, Prime Ministers, Vice Presidents attend the Memorial Service and it rained at the service like it is unbelievable.   The public is mostly not under cover -


*  droves off them leave the FNB stadium as a result;

*  they cheered foreign speakers praising Mandela;

*  they are so noisy when the Indian President speaks that Ramaphosa had to intervene to quiten them down;

*  they boo-ed the Chinese Vice-President;

*  they boo-ed Jacob Zuma and give him the thumbs down;

*  they cheered Ex-Presidents Thabo Mbeki and F W de Klerk.


I do not like politics, and 


*   Meyer is criticized severely by some about his rugby  selections;

*   Hudson will have to run for cover because of leaving out Quinton de Kock from the test cricket squad, but


with an election 6 months away - what is the ANC going to do with Zuma?   Guess he will be re-assigned quickly and they are not going to behave nicely to him.


     

   

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Dec 2013, 09:58
#2
11 Dec 2013, 09:58#2
 Yup Mike one expects the anc to still win the election but with  a reduced majority.They also will not be able this next election to role out their icon Mandela. Would that Mandela had spoken out against this rotten government rather than supporting it so loyally.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Dec 2013, 10:12
#3
11 Dec 2013, 10:12#3

 Beeno


You are unfair in this case.  Mandela withdrew from all politics in 2005 and never made a single political statement since then other than to criticize Mugabe at one stage - I believe in 2007.   What he thought of Zuma only his family would know.  Maybe  something in line with Tutu - who is at times severely critical of  the present ANC set-up.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Dec 2013, 10:22
#4
11 Dec 2013, 10:22#4
 I am not being unfair at all. He allowed himself to be used politically by the anc and attended their rallies in support etc etc. However he said nothing against all the corruptio etc. he may once have crited Mad Bob (Why only once) but why nothing about what is happening here?I am not a fan of Tutu but at least he did speak up and has got so disgusted he says he wont vote anc.Explain why this great man Mandela said zip. My answer is the anc is more improtant to him than South Africa. Prove me wrong. 
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ntangaClub Pro336 posts
11 Dec 2013, 10:56
#5
11 Dec 2013, 10:56#5
 @ Beeno1, I totally disagree with you on your take on Mandela.  I don't understand why you hate him so much to the extent that even in his death, you're still trying to prove he is nothing but a coward. 

OK, ANC is crap, but don't go around painting Mandela with the same brush mate.  He might not be the "Saint" you have been looking for, but he did a great job in preventing what could have been a blood bath Post-Apartheid.  Just remember this, No one is perfect, Mandela is human being like yourself. 

The least you can do like most South Africans is to be grateful for the little things Madiba did for the country.


Remember, whatever bad stuff you've been reading about Mandela came from someone, and it depends whether your source hated or liked him.  


   
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Dec 2013, 11:19
#6
11 Dec 2013, 11:19#6
Thanks Ntanga I see you agree with my conclusions. Why you think I hate him only you know. Where did I say he was a coward? I said here he didnt speak up against corruption in the anc but allowed himself to be used in supprt of the anc. Prove me wrong.
I have already noted no one is perfect more than once so read my posts before sounding off like this. You yourself admit he isnt perfect!! I dont see much difference there.So Mandela was leader of the anc and its most important leader but cannot be tainted by anything wrong with the party. Do you believe in fairies? The corruption started immediately the anc took over.The guy is widely feted but when one looks a little deeper one finds it's way over the top.Go and do some research. The real and interesting question is why do maintstream media ignore all this negative stuff and not give a more realistic picture. Also how come so many people are ignorant. How powerful is the media in the formation of opinion. Scary stuff. 





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hakwaPro4,146 posts
11 Dec 2013, 11:29
#7
11 Dec 2013, 11:29#7
It is confusing how people are happy to use Mandela as the face of a united Rainbow SA in the 1995 RWC win but more than happy to diss him now at this death .
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ntangaClub Pro336 posts
11 Dec 2013, 11:34
#8
11 Dec 2013, 11:34#8
If think you know more than what we already know, why don't you tell us about it then?  Because it seems like you are the only one with an inside information. 



  So do you prefer your Apartheid regime to rule the country again?


 




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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Dec 2013, 11:36
#9
11 Dec 2013, 11:36#9
 No one is dissing him hacked waaagh. Pointing out the realities is not disisng its being truthful. I have been saying this for years now not just when he died. 
Given that the negatives are there for all to see if they care to do the research it is of great note to realise many folk dont want to know. They want a hero very badly. That' s interesting.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Dec 2013, 11:47
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11 Dec 2013, 11:47#10
 I have already answered about the apartheid question elsewhere. Obviously you have not read my posts and yet have jumped to a number of ill founded conclusions Ntanga - not wise.Go and google Mandela saint or sinner and Mandela the dark side. But, as I said elsewhere, be sensitive and dont publish your findings here as we have folk in mourning.Also stick to what you said which is where I am largely coming from - Mandela is not perfect. He is in fact overhyped and the media image not a reflection of the man.We had madiba magic in 1995 and again at the sevens. What happened inbetween. Bwahahahhahahahahaha My apologies to all the Mandela groupies but it is all too much really. Hahahahahahaha
The anc is a corrupt, self serving and inefficient organisation which has always known how to play up to the Western Democracies and tell them exactly what they wanted to hear. Their actions since coming to power have given lie to that. What a tradgedy for South Afrcia that we didn't get a decent government!



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ntangaClub Pro336 posts
11 Dec 2013, 11:49
#11
11 Dec 2013, 11:49#11
@ Beeno, I'm not quite sure what you're thanking me for, this is not an agreement.  At least have respect for the man.  Mike pointed out that Mandela left politics way back, why should he be responsible for the ANC's wrong doings when he is in retirement?


You keep telling me to do my research, I think you are the only one who need to do just that and fix your littlehead in the process.


   



NT
ntangaClub Pro336 posts
11 Dec 2013, 11:56
#12
11 Dec 2013, 11:56#12
 Nia Beeno bro, I am a Christian like yourself, but you've lost me on this one mate, I mean, Seriously!

Each to their own,


God Bless broe
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Dec 2013, 12:01
#13
11 Dec 2013, 12:01#13

Beeno


I am sorry I started this thread - because it led to all kind of talk about Mandela.   Like any human being he made mistakes - but there are very few South Africans that do not respect him.


I am not political - but severely critical about the ANC on things that happened after Mandela retired - especially corruption on high level.    Zuma should never have been President.


Now back to Mandela.   He was a forgiving person - there is no doubt about that.   He went to see Mrs Verwoerd at one stage and had a chat with her - he organised a meeting with leading Afrikaans women and the key person who helped him in that was Mrs Botha - PW Botha's wife.    My brother was the church deacon for PW Botha and he told me once that he went to see him about church issues and Botha told him that he had been warned that Mandela was going to phone him.   He phoned him later from Mozambique and thanked him for the work done by South Africa  in reconstruction work in Mozambique when Boha was President.    


I think people think about him only at the 1995 WC - but I name the above as further examples of how he reached out to Whites in an effort to enhance relationships between the races.     I think he did much to ensure that the country remains on track after 1994  - things could have gone badly wrong.


I do not think that Mandela would not have spoken privately about issues after his retirement - but he preferred to stay out politics publicly.   He was 89 years of age when Zuma became ANC leader and was completely out of the public eye - neither you nor anyone else would know what he said and did within ANC circles - what is known is that he never spoke out in public about issues and at 90 + years of age I am really not surprised about that.   


Lests respect him for what he did and achieved - and not make the issue a political one.

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Dec 2013, 12:03
#14
11 Dec 2013, 12:03#14
 Seems you still are missing the point Ntanga. The corruprtion started immediately he became president (the anc is a corrupt organisation which he led). The  arms deal commenced in Mandelas beat and there have been serious questions asked of his involvement. Even today the anc is desparately trying to cover up this scandal. 
Mandela retired from politics is the excuse you offer for his not standing up against corruption! Are you really seriously offering this as an excuse! He went to anc rallies to support election efforts. He was supporting the anc. Yet he never said a word about the anc corruption and only once, almost as a token to his fans, criticised mad Bob - a real monster.Even the idea of a non racial SA is a myth with so m any discrimnatory aspect against minorities. Some of the ancs most bitter critics are Coloured and Indian folk. 
Ntanga it would appear you dont want to know so let's leave you where you are happiest.Man I think you would be severely traumatised is you found out the negsatives so please desist. Sometimes ignorance is bliss!
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Dec 2013, 12:51
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11 Dec 2013, 12:51#15
It's embarrassing for South Africa that George Bush was booed and Mugabe was cheered.  Mugabe is a worse monster that anybody else in the plot that played out yesterday.
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
11 Dec 2013, 13:41
#16
11 Dec 2013, 13:41#16

 Moz...

 

If the reports I've read are correct then the crowd also cheered President Obama, booed the Chinese Vice Premier as well as their own President Zuma.

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ntangaClub Pro336 posts
11 Dec 2013, 14:27
#17
11 Dec 2013, 14:27#17
 @ Mozart, I would put Mugabe together with Saddam Hussan, not much difference in my opinion, and yet Mugabe is allowed to do as he pleases while Saddam got done for it.  Its scandalous!
MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
11 Dec 2013, 15:25
#18
11 Dec 2013, 15:25#18
"It's embarrassing for South Africa that George Bush was booed and Mugabe was cheered.  Mugabe is a worse monster that anybody else in the plot that played out yesterday."
the arab community might beg to differ there.

but considering the occasion, it was poor form to boo anyone really, IMO mandela wouldnt have condoned such behaviour.

@beeno1 aka storminged,
please stop dissing the father of south africa, i might be a kiwi (from a rugby point of view, thank u God ) but nelson mandela is a great honourable man who loved south africa and all its people more then anybody else, so leave him alone, ok???
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Dec 2013, 18:02
#19
11 Dec 2013, 18:02#19
Cloudy do you know why he was in prison for 27 years?
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Dec 2013, 18:25
#20
11 Dec 2013, 18:25#20
No  trick question. I'm simply asking, do you know why he was in prison?
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Dec 2013, 19:04
#21
11 Dec 2013, 19:04#21
I withdraw my comments Cloudy, they will serve no purpose.
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
11 Dec 2013, 23:09
#22
11 Dec 2013, 23:09#22
No surprise that Moffie "withdrew" his disgustingly racist comments . . . although "withdrew" is a bit of a euphemism. It would be more accurate to say that Moffie hastily edited his right-wing extremist rhetoric when he realized he might alienate 90% of the board if he called tha late great Nelson Mandela a treasonous terrorist.
Of course, one should remember that one of the board members who has actually met Moffie told us that Moffie's reasons for leaving South Africa were because he hated black people and also because no-one would take his final solution to ethnically cleanse the country seriously.

Moffie claims he edited his hate speech because it served no purpose. He should have qualified that by saying his post served no purpose other than to confirm his small-minded racism. These chicken-runners always have a lot to say from a distance and once they've fled with their ill-gotten gains.
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
11 Dec 2013, 23:53
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11 Dec 2013, 23:53#23
 I can understand why Mozart said that it would serve no purpose commenting any further, following Cloudy's reply. It is clear that she knows very little about the entire subject. To start off with Mandela did not start any party. In fact, he was not even born when the ANC was founded. There is much to be learned about Mandela and his history before there can be any debate on his life and his actions. If you want to start talking about the ANC you have to start at John Dube and Sol Plaatjies. Not Mandela.


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Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
11 Dec 2013, 23:54
#24
11 Dec 2013, 23:54#24

 clevermike,

  

 

This site is for rugby blogs.

 

Cricket has a similar blog site and for political issue please post your comments at the sites offered to the public at the local newspaper sites.....namely :

 

Daily News,

Star etc.

 

This site is here for us to talk about rugby ....politics belongs in its own place.

 

 

IN THE GUTTER.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Dec 2013, 01:52
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12 Dec 2013, 01:52#25
Rip you really are a bore. You fellows who howl racism whenever you think it will score a few cheap points are the real racists. I give a fig about what people on this site may think of me, especially you. Now run along and talk to your pasty left leaning pals and leave the real world to guys who understand how it works.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
12 Dec 2013, 02:13
#26
12 Dec 2013, 02:13#26
Rooinek, you fail to mention the name of this one board member. It is perhaps Saffex, the same board member that your have recently added to your list of character assassination. 
How can you reference a board member as a testimonial this week, but then discredit the very same board last week?
If you are to be believed, is Saffex a credible source to reference? 
The same board member that you also classify as a chicken runner for not living in South Africa. Fearing for the safety of your family has caused many people to leave South Africa. This includes foreign people from all over the world who at one point called South Africa their home. 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Dec 2013, 03:05
#27
12 Dec 2013, 03:05#27
Actually SB I left after doing my military service, taking nothing but the tuition fees my folks provided me. I stayed on in the States after my studies and subsequently invested a fair amount in RSA. 

This chicken runner stuff RIP comes up with is simply the sour grapes of somebody who never had the capacity to leave and is jealous of those who did.
Personally I have no problem with the guys who felt Africa was their home and the guys who left for various reasons including security.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Dec 2013, 03:43
#28
12 Dec 2013, 03:43#28
Billions actually...doesnt change the facts though, which you could easily explore by simply Googling the RivoniaTrial. There were four counts....go for it, you can become a thinking person, and not just a media led follower.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Dec 2013, 04:19
#29
12 Dec 2013, 04:19#29
I dunno Cloudy....the twentieth century often showed you can  shape opinion. Personally I think Mandela was a well intentioned man, who had a crucial role in reconciliation. But he also led an armed resistance, for which he was convicted and imprisoned. No country can ignore acts of violence against innocent civilians....many countries would have made it a capital offence. Think a bit about the grandmother who died in a South African station, clutching the hand of her young grandaughter who was maimed for life. 
Real life has a way of not resolving along simplistic  lines
BL
BlikkiesPro1,526 posts
12 Dec 2013, 04:52
#30
12 Dec 2013, 04:52#30

 Agreed Ceradyne - pointless in an endless discussion of Mandela's deeds and contributions. I will remain thankful towards him for saving the Bok emblem, but that is about where it ends.

This YouTube vid. will probably give you a better insight into Mandela's earlier life.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKO7MmJ60zY&list=PL5_Am9dlT4PI4gDOTh1-Iyi3nh4xFnHq9

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
12 Dec 2013, 10:21
#31
12 Dec 2013, 10:21#31
Thanks Blikkies. Very interesting video and one notes his friends etc. But I have seen worse things mentioned about him.
As I said the truth will eventually out but if oaks are happier believing in Mandela the secular saint allow them this bliss?
What I find extraordinary is how all the negatives are completely ignored by  the media. It truly is amazing and as I said its amazing how folk just dont want to know the whole truth. Anyhow RIP  Madiba.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
12 Dec 2013, 10:48
#32
12 Dec 2013, 10:48#32
 I took my own advice and googled again the dark side of Nelson Mandela. There was a host of stuff:You know folk really do need to realsie the man had some serious drawbacks. I trust the oaks thinking Mandela is a secular saint will look at hte vidoe clip Blikkies has given us.
To me its scary how the media can brainwash people and so successfully sell a distorted view.
Read this article by Andrew bolt of Australias Herald Sun  '

MUCH of the sanctimonious grieving for Nelson Mandela is not just a sin against history - but a danger.

It is true Mandela rose to greatness. Freed after 27 years in a South African jail, the anti-apartheid fighter emerged not bent on vengeance but healing.

He negotiated a peaceful end to apartheid, and as the first president of democratic South Africa, preached - and practised - reconciliation. In this he was great. A healer. An inspiration.

For many whites abroad, he seems even Christ-like - someone who'd suffered for the sins of white guilt, and absolved those who believed in him of the sin of racism.

But Mandela was no Christ nor even Gandhi nor Martin Luther King. He was for decades a man of violence. In 1961, he broke with African National Congress colleagues who preached non-violence, creating a terrorist wing.

He later pleaded guilty in court to acts of public violence, and behind bars sanctioned more, including the 1983 Church St car bomb that killed 19 people.

GABRIEL, PRINCE CHARLES REMEMBER MANDELA1:33

World leaders, musicians continue to weigh in on the life of human rights icon Nelson Mandela. Julie Noce reports.

    Mandela even suggested cutting off the noses of blacks deemed collaborators. His then wife Winnie advocated "necklacing" instead - a burning tyre around the neck.

    Mandela argued the apartheid regime left him no option but to fight violence with violence, but it is too easy to claim events proved him right. His legacy is not yet played out.

    Current president Jacob Zuma until recently still publicly sang the anti-apartheid song, Shoot the Boer, in a still-divided country where many white farmers have been shot.

    Mandela's support for other leaders of violence is even less forgivable. He maintained close ties to Cuban dictator Fidel Castro and backed Palestinian terrorist leader Yasser Arafat. As president in 1997, he gave his country's highest award for a foreigner to Libya's dictator, Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, who'd donated $10 million to the ANC. He gave the same award to the corrupt Indonesian president Suharto, who he said had donated $60 million.(Personally I find his fail ure to speak out about rampant corruption in SA inexcusable)

    He supported Nigerian coup leader Sani Abacha, refusing to say a word publicly to stop the 1995 hanging of activist Ken Saro-Wiwa.

    I repeat, Mandela did great things. But many of his more radical supporters in the West now use that greatness to wash clean his record of political violence - and his support for dictators who'd used it.

    That is dangerous.


    Now there are many other articles which deal with the dark side of Nelson Mandela. It will be interesting to see how much greatness is really there once an accurate assessment of his life is compiled. That there was a dark side is beyond doubt. 

    What is also beyond doubt is that the dark side it is totally ignored. The BIG lesson here is be sceptical of the media. Dont be led by the nose on the Mandela issue or any other issue. Try and have your wits about you.



    MO
    MozartCaptain49,914 posts
    12 Dec 2013, 15:11
    #33
    12 Dec 2013, 15:11#33
    Blikkies,nice to see you monitoring the site....have a great Christmas  
    RO
    RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
    12 Dec 2013, 15:44
    #34
    12 Dec 2013, 15:44#34
    "I can understand why Mozart said that it would serve no purpose commenting any further, following Cloudy's reply."

    I think it's safe to say that Ceradyne has missed the point here.

    You see, Ceradyne, Moffie's original reply (December 11, 2013, 17:04:13) was actually originally a long-winded and vitriolic rant about Mandela being a terrorist who killed little girls which he quickly replaced with the one-liner that you read only after he realized what a hateful racist scumbag he sounded like.

    But I saw it and I'm sure there are a few others who can verify that Moffie deleted his unsubstantiated and callous character assassination of a recently deceased world-respected leader and replaced it with the one-line comment that you see on that post now.
    CE
    CeradynePro9,374 posts
    12 Dec 2013, 16:30
    #35
    12 Dec 2013, 16:30#35


    Rooinek

    Status: Bok regular
    Posts: 1049 RE: Mandela Memorial Service
    December 12, 2013, 13:44:00 "I can understand why Mozart said that it would serve no purpose commenting any further, following Cloudy's reply."

    I think it's safe to say that Ceradyne has missed the point here.

    You see, Ceradyne, Moffie's original reply (December 11, 2013, 17:04:13) was actually originally a long-winded and vitriolic rant about Mandela being a terrorist who killed little girls which he quickly replaced with the one-liner that you read only after he realized what a hateful racist scumbag he sounded like.

    But I saw it and I'm sure there are a few others who can verify that Moffie deleted his unsubstantiated and callous character assassination of a recently deceased world-respected leader and replaced it with the one-line comment that you see on that post now.

    That could well be true because I have not visited the site for quite a while and it is possible that I have not seen the original post. Having said that, I stand by what I said, i.e. "It is clear that she knows very little about the entire subject. To start off with Mandela did not start any party. In fact, he was not even born when the ANC was founded. There is much to be learned about Mandela and his history before there can be any debate on his life and his actions. If you want to start talking about the ANC you have to start at John Dube and Sol Plaatjies. Not Mandela."

    What I said was in fact confirmed by Cloudy herself:


    Cloudy

    Status: Bok regular
    Posts: 1283 RE: Mandela Memorial Service
    December 12, 2013, 01:25:24 No problem Mozart and ceradyne I stand corrected.  Plainly showing my ignorance along with a million other people........................
    I donot know if the reply was a bit tong in cheek as well, but there are definitely two sides to the Mandela story and I do not want to start a whole "you are a racist................ no I'm not............" argument over this. Fact is that he is not as squeeky clean and a saint like many would like to believe. He is also not quite the villain that many would like to believe either.
    RO
    RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
    12 Dec 2013, 16:51
    #36
    12 Dec 2013, 16:51#36
    Ceradyne, the purpose of my post to you was not a request for your version of South African history, it was to point out that Moffie had actually posted a long diatribe about Mandela before editing his post and claiming he had nothing more to say. That's all. I really don't need you or anyone else to tell me whether Mandela was a saint or a sinner. I do know quite a bit about Mandela's history and I am capable of independent thought. Thanks anyway.
    CE
    CeradynePro9,374 posts
    12 Dec 2013, 17:48
    #37
    12 Dec 2013, 17:48#37
     Rooinek

    Status: Bok regular
    Posts: 1050 RE: Mandela Memorial Service
    December 12, 2013, 14:51:51 Ceradyne, the purpose of my post to you was not a request for your version of South African history, it was to point out that Moffie had actually posted a long diatribe about Mandela before editing his post and claiming he had nothing more to say. That's all. I really don't need you or anyone else to tell me whether Mandela was a saint or a sinner. I do know quite a bit about Mandela's history and I am capable of independent thought. Thanks anyway.
    No need for any thanks. I wasn't offering to elaborate on whether he was a saint or a sinner either.

    Problem is that when it comes to these types of issues people almost always fail to ignore the emotion in the situation. Those who love him would nit hear anything that does not put a halo above his head. Those who hate him would do anything to wipe away that halo. The secret is to be objective and neutral and then evaluate the facts. Problem is that the media rides on the emotional waves to sell their stories.

    The BBC has shown several insets from their "Johannesburg correspondent" a number of times over the last days. One of them shows this guy at the Apartheid Museum standing next to a plaque with all the "Apartheid Laws" that were in place and insunuating that Mandela and the ANC were responsible for those laws to be repealed. That sends out a BS story. Most of those laws were repealed under that very same Apartheid Govt.

    To list a few of them:

    Natives Land Act, 1913
    Date commenced     19 June 1913
    Date repealed     30 June 1991 by the Abolition of Racially Based Land Measures Act, 1991

    Aliens Control Act, 1973
    Date commenced     23 May 1973
    Date repealed     1 October 1991 by the Aliens Control Act, 1991

    The Group Areas Act went through a number of stages:
    Group Areas Act, 1950
    Date commenced     30 March 1951 (Cape, Transvaal, Natal) 31 October 1952 (O.F.S.)
    Date repealed     1 November 1957 by the Group Areas Act, 1957
    Group Areas Act, 1957
    Date commenced     1 November 1957
    Date repealed     26 October 1966 by the Group Areas Act, 1966
    Group Areas Act, 1966
    Date commenced     26 October 1966
    Date repealed     30 June 1991 by the Abolition of Racially Based Land Measures Act, 1991

    Group Areas Development Act, 1955
    Date commenced     1 February 1956
    Date repealed     17 February 1966

    Immorality Act, 1927
    Why this was seen as an Apartheid Law is not clear. It dealt with laws relating to brothels and unlawful carnal intercourse and other acts in relation thereto. It was ammended several times, i.e. in 1957/67/69, etc and it was only repealed in 2007. Fact is that it was not even totally repealed. It was revised and included in the Criminal Law (Sexual Offences and Related Matters) Amendment Act, 2007. There were certain other Apartheid Laws that were interwoven in the whole issue, i.e. Immorality and Prohibition of Mixed Marriages Amendment Act, 1985.

    Prohibition of Mixed Marriages Act, 1949
    Date commenced     8 July 1949
    Date repealed     19 June 1985 by the  Immorality and Prohibition of Mixed Marriages Amendment Act, 1985 which was one of  the earliest steps to end Apartheid. (See above).

    Bantu Education Act, 1953
    Date commenced     1 January 1954
    Date repealed     1 January 1980 by the Education and Training Act, 1979.
    *It is true that there were still seprate schools until 1994 but they education was standardised by the Education and Training Act, 1979.

    Extension of University Education Act, 1959
    Date commenced     19 June 1959
    Date repealed     29 June 1988 by the Tertiary Education Act, 1988

    Those are just a few examples of most of those Apartheid Laws. It was not the ANC and  Mandela who ended them, it was the previous Apartheid Govt.





    RO
    RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
    12 Dec 2013, 18:05
    #38
    12 Dec 2013, 18:05#38
    Uh-oh . . . more history lessons!

    Ceradyne, do you perhaps have a volume button that one can turn down?
    CE
    CeradynePro9,374 posts
    12 Dec 2013, 19:51
    #39
    12 Dec 2013, 19:51#39
     Nope. Seems you do not have one either. In any case. You know the drill. You don't like it, then don't read it.
    RO
    RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
    12 Dec 2013, 20:31
    #40
    12 Dec 2013, 20:31#40
    Seriously, I have a nephew of 8 years old who could have come up with a better retort than "seems you do not have one either".
    Tell you what, Ceradyne, why don't you go tell your Kamp SS buddies what a horrible person I am . . . but make sure it's on a private message board which you think I'll never see and where I can't defend myself! I mean, that is your style, right?
    Right?

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