So the Stormers are sitting at mid table. In their first two seasons they were able to win it and then become runners up. 

In the last final, at Green point, Munster managed to take the cup. The Stormers and Manie specifically couldn't cope with Munsters tactical game. 

It is final winter in the Cape and the field is becoming wet and heavy. Manie and the tap dancers have been able to enjoy a hard dry field during the the summer but now that winter is settling in it is becoming harder for them to use their agility. 

You also have to look at the Stormers away record. Not so good at all. 

The Stormers need to take a honest look and almost have wet weather players and then the tap dancers. 

I just watched chasing the sun and Manie getting ready for the England game. He had a really poor kicking record going into that game but the French got undone by bombs on a weak wing and the scrum. Manies influence was minimal. 

The came the England game and you could see how nervous he was. Not to mention him stressing about the shock clock. 

So for me he has two things that counts against him. High pressure and the wet. 

Rassie yanked him off after 30 min in that semi and it was Pollard that kept his cool as he guided SA back. 

When Manie is on fire and the team is dominating he is a joy to watch. But when things are tough, he struggles to put his make on the game. His kicking becomes less effective and not to mention his quick hand speed let's him down in the wet. Neither can he hold his own in contact. Previously he had the highest balls conceded in contact and yesterday we saw Manie lose it yet again in contact. 

There are better , steady 10s that has better all round game. 

Manie should stick to exhibition games. 

I won't pick him ever in the wet. 

Then let's look at some of those hot stepping Stormers. Dyamani, normally great to watch but could get into his game yesterday. 

Gelant was a non entity and neither could Willemse come on and change the game. 

In the wet the Stormers need to put a bigger pack out that can grind a game out. 

Hartzenberg, fantastic player hardly saw the ball. 

Hope the Stormers can wake up now 

Well Manie does show vulnerability in Defence….his wet game is not that bad as I have seen him perform better in wet conditions….but his in consistency is worrying…he blows hot and Cold…so maybe on his present form, you can’t really count on him to pull it thru in a tight Test…I still think he has got the goods to be more of a consistent performer, but if it will happen only time will tell….I Think a guy like Jurie Matthee is a one of those more stable Flyhalf in the Mold of Pollard…Jordan Hendrickse is impressing more as a performer at 10 with more consistency….it’s important to have another mister Reliable as Back up to Pollard. Who can that be??

Right now Goosen is playing better than Manie, who in two weeks has lost two games. Manie’s dismal defensive  stats yesterday. He lost the ball 4 times, attempted 4 tackles and missed 3.

Du Plessis and Roos were our only stand outs….and even so Roos made a lot of handling errors.

I still like Roos for 12.

He's fast enough and solid as hell on defence. I think he could boss midfield, run over people and offload.

But then again, I also think Dayimani is actually a natural backline player.

That attempted cross kick from Manie in his own 22, killed me. What was he thinking. The players were struggling to hold onto the ball and then he tries that. 

Then, he wants to play left, but realise there is no option, then switches the other way with fewer players and throws and intercept that results in a try. Those are two massive errors in game. 

Pollard is not perfect and has in the past threw intercepts that resulted in tries and not even been able to find touch. 

But the way he imploded was spectacular. He has been off for most of the season. Ja, I would back Julie Matthee. Manie needs to be dropped and work his way back. 

Sharks have found Mazuka and he is pushing Bosch really hard and you can now see that he too is struggling. Players need to sit out for a while. 

I think it was the same for Manie at the Boools and Saarks. He had some impressive games but the coaches must have felt that they couldn’t back him. 

Man, I was mad at Rassie for not picking him earlier and instead of Jantjies. But you now see it takes many seasons and hard games for a player to become like Pollard. 

But Pollard was always special. Even as a 17 year helping SA to win the under age group World Cup. He wasn’t perfect but he kept his cool. You can tell when a youngster have it. They don’t get phased at all. Yes, they make mistakes but it is so rare. 

Manie never had it. You are almost wondering which one will show up. Matthee should at least be on the bench. But Dobbo needs to take responsibility. He is too kind to his players. He needs to decide when to be kind and when to be ruthless 

Goosen is playing good Rugby atm, but at 34 at the next WC, the younger inform Flyhalfs might be more prominent and hard not to pick…

Oh what rubbish there is nothing kak about Manie, he had a few options not go his way but was solid enough

Same applies to your take on Gelant - bullshit he had a good game

The Stormers fucked up as yet again we see an under strength side selected

Good to see Similane playing good rugby and Roos is on fire this season

Imagine being stupid enough to suggest he should play 12 - joke

It’s going to be one hell of a task selecting the best 3 for the back of the pack given the form of Roos, Elrigh Louw and Hanekom

Dave

I ag ree with you about Roos - but I think that with Du Toit around the number 7 position remained as filled until he is retiring or stop playing rugby on international level.

Ats to Gelant I have reservations about him - Willemse is a much better option at full back.   I also see him as a replacement of De Allende though.

As to the issue of Libbok I th ink he is a flyhalf in the Jantjies category and not sound enough to be the fist chocie at flyhalf. .          

Roos would walk my Bok starting side at 8 right now. A very classy player that is back to his best

Libbok and Gelant are both class acts

Pollard starts for the Boks with Manie the back up

At fullback it’s probably Willemse although playing him at 12 is very enticing and if I did I’d have Fassi at 15 with Gelant as the back up

I love the way Manie and Gelant play their rugby - Manie is similar to Jantjies and I was a huge Jantjies fan - give me flair and creativity anyday

Manie overcooked things the weekend...should just calm down a bit and relax...trying to force things leads to the disaster we saw the weekend. 

David, you are a very generous coach. If a player threw one intercept pass that resulted in a try, and another miss timed cross kick that also resulted in a try and cost me 14 points and ultimately the game against a weaker appointment. Yes, the Stormers elected a "poor" team. 

So do you say Simalane, Loader, Gelant, Dan Du Please, Libbok are poor back line selections. 

Only Ungerer was a Kak choice. 

As for the pack, think the stormers have some injuries there. Not sure who are the first choice, they had Flab Malherbe, Bok, Roos, Dyamani in the pack. I rate Nama Xaba, he had an impact on the game. But probably should have bigger heavier forwards. 

So I don't think it was a poor team, just poor individuals that can't play in the wet 

No I’m a coach that encourages players to express themselves so if you effect a cross kick and it does not work then so be it, same with a long pass.

Do you now tell Manie to never try a pass kick or throw a long pass again - the same pass kicks that have lead to brilliant tries?

You can either select a creative Manie at 10 and give him the freedom to express himself or you can resort to a boring Morne Steyn and stick to what he offers

No I am not saying the likes of Similane etc are kak but they are not the first choice players

So leaving out Zas, Willemse, de Wet/Jantjies, anyone other than useless Harris, Dweba/Venter, Ruben v Heerden, Ben-Jason Dixon and Fourie/Theunissen was probably a mistake and Dobson has admitted as much

Well I am one that is not doubting Manie,s abilities…but on the other hand his inconsistency in crucial games where he makes crucial errors, can cause us to loose that game….until what point do you allow him to play even if his form is not up to standard for that of a Bok Flyhalf??

Nothing wrong with his form, having a kick pass or long pass intercepted does not mean you are in shit form

Go on Dave, here's another question you'll dodge using every logical fallacy in existence...

What can DDA do that Roos can't?

As far as I can tell, Roos can do everything DDA does but better.

Here, I'll provide my list of things that Roos is better at than DDA...

Tackling. Stealing ball(which seems to be what Rassie wants DDA to do in midfield). Run support lines. Offload. Roos is also faster than DDA.

I'm gonna guess that the Lip will get very fat but there won't be any substantive rebuttal from you to the above.

PS...here is what AI thinks...

"Placing a loose forward in the 12 position leverages their robust tackling and ball-carrying capabilities in a role that is critical for both offense and defense. A loose forward’s ability to endure and excel in physical confrontations means they can effectively handle the inside center's need to break through defensive lines using both power and finesse. Their inherent skills in open field tackles enhance the midfield defense, ensuring that opposing breaks are contained more effectively.

Additionally, a loose forward's experience in ruck situations equips them with exceptional ball handling and protection skills, crucial for the playmaking demands of the 12 position. This positional shift capitalizes on the loose forward's versatility, enhancing the team's offensive options through unexpected and dynamic play, while ensuring defensive solidity in a key midfield position. This strategy could disrupt traditional defensive setups, giving the team a tactical edge."

Yeah I’m dodging that as it’s not fucking worth answering

Only a fucking idiot would assert that an 8 could start playing 12 at the highest level

I’m not going to lower myself to such shit

Waste of my time

I have dodged zero from you or anyone so stop lying - but I’m a no show on this one

And the Fat Lip walks directly into it with the logical fallacy knows as appeal to ridicule.

...when someone dismisses an argument by mocking it or calling it stupid instead of engaging with the actual issue or providing a reasoned response. It's a type of evasion that sidesteps the argument by making it seem absurd without any substantive evidence or logical reasoning.

Yawn fucking yawn

Stupidity of the highest level

I recall the same was said about Bob Skinstad who himself ridiculed the notion and he was even better equipped than Roos is

And directly into the appeal to authority.

...Citing Bob Skinstad’s ridicule of a similar suggestion involves using an authority figure’s opinion to argue against the idea, rather than presenting logical reasons why it wouldn’t work. This is a fallacy because even an expert can be wrong, and the truth of a claim should not rely solely on an authority’s opinion.

So, that would be two for two.

Still, nothing substantive.

The Lip grows fatter...

What part of being not lowering myself to such stupidity do you not get you fucking idiot

Go bore someone else with you rugby ignorance

Fuck me Roos could play 12 because DA is soooooo shit at 12

This coming from the fuckwit that informed us that Moodie is a better 13 than Am - I kid you not - oops I’ve let it slip - naughty Fattex

And we're three for three...

Now The Fat Lip goes with the circumstantial ad hominem variant of logical fallacy.

...when someone dismisses an argument by questioning the motives or characteristics of the person making the argument instead of engaging with the substance of the argument itself. Here, the speaker references past opinions (claiming Moodie is a better 13 than Am) to undermine my current argument about positioning Roos at 12, suggesting that because I was ‘wrong’ before, my current argument must also be flawed.

The Fat lip has to be the most predictable person on this board.

How could I possibly have guessed that he would line up logical fallacies, one after the other...

Well, it's easy. Because I know he has cellulite for brains and can't think past his Fat Lip.

Still, not a single argument of any substance. Lots of bluster, but not much more.

It is so because the Fattest Lip of them all says it is so, right?

It's so stupid, it should be easy to blow out of the water.

And yet you haven't, and don't appear able to.

So either it's not that stupid, or you are stupid.

Which is it, Fat Lip?

For goodness sake ButtPlug, you need to recognise when you're embarrassing yourself. 

Saffex makes more meaningful rugby contributions in a single day than you've made since you arrived here as Spooony.

Plum is not saying Roos...or Kwagga...is potentially the best 12 in SA...he's saying they will do better at 12 than DdA...he would rather have them than DdA...I don't agree, but that's what's in between the lines.

Surprise surprise, here's the Squeaky Toy wanting to be everyone's friend again. 

ButtPlug's first post on this thread states pretty clearly that he wants Evan Roos at i nside centre. No reading between the lines is necessary.

Whoosh!!!

Hey, Rooi...

Suck a dick.

It’s the usual Rooinek role ….Board gadfly.

The poor mongrel has had his confidence knocked on here so many times that he's been reduced to only posting to dogpile his perceived enemies.

A sad state of affairs that a very sad sod finds himself in.

It is a okay if a player wants to express himself when it is on, but when the ball is slipping out of your hands and you don't have control, why on earth do you want to try crazy things. 

Just saw the final episode of chasing the sun last night. 

Eben said to the boys, don't try anything fancy now because they are one player down. Too many players try more things because they think they have an opportunity now. Just stick to what works. 

In Manies case, he sticks to what doesn't work. Which is the problem 

According to Rugby Pass, Brown has already started working 1 on 1 with Manie and Focussing on his Kicking to poles….Besides working on Defence and his Attack…. Sharks also started using OX at Tight head after Rassie asked….the background to this is because of the June test against wales, where Frans and Wilco will be otherwise occupied because of URC Duties for there Respective teams.

Ox at tighthead is an interesting option. This move never worked with Thomas the tank, but he wasn’t a great scrummager to start and very tall for a tighthead. The only great tall tighthead I recall was  Carl Hayman of NZ.

Ox looks like a tighthead, squat, massive legs. It might work!

Moz you are speaking crap

Thomas took time to convert to tighthead as Trevor did but once he nailed it the Sharks frontrow with Ox at 1 completely dominated

Thomas is doing the same for Bath now

Stop making this shit up

Ox moved to tighthead on one of the games a few weeks ago and struggled. Him being tried at tighthead is only because we will potentially have no tightheads available for the Welsh test

Malherbe, Koch, Thomas and Wilco Louw might not be available given club commitments

Dave you are mesmerized by his size, Thomas has never been a great scrummager. The reason the Sharks dominated was always down to Ox….keep it real.

Wrong there has never been anything wrong with his scrummaging for if there had been he would never have won a test cap.

You don’t dominate scrums if your loosehead is strong - what nonsense

Your problem is that you are incapable of changing your opinion of a player - you formulate one early on and that’s it. It’s a very blind, narrow minded way of looking at players

Players get better - Kwagga started poorly but he got better, same with Wiese

We see Roos take a knock back after injury and now he is back to his best. Fassi is a prime example. You probably still say he can’t defend

It’s like narrow minded Shark who has forever kept his ignorant take on the du Preez twins

Most players improve with experience, others start with a bang and die - lock Jeandre Kruger, prop Werner Kruger, Curwin Bosch

Evolve man

Though Rassie never selected the Dups twins.

Genius, moron...who knows!?

Only the Fat Lip can shed light on the matter.

All hail the Fat Lip.

Buttplug wake the fuck up you dunce - Rassie has selected the du Preez twins you ignorant twat

And no he won’t be playing Roos at 12 dumbfuck

Embarrassing

Carl Hayman was a beast at Tight-head…technically very sound , combined with real power….OX has the body for a TH but the technique still needs work….might just work…. But I prefer the Specialist TH like Wilco, Frans or Sadie…Tank is a bit on the tall side, but a really good Loose head prop…I have not seen him perform at TH yet, he was more under pressure.

Bullshit he was not under pressure at TH by the time he left the Sharks and has been great for Bath since moving here

You lot literally make shit up

Yes, you're right, Fat Lip. They have featured heavily during Rassie's tenure.

Sorry, I just didn't watch the twenty Bok games where they started.

Bwhahaha

Plum, if we had to play NZ, Fra or Ire tomorrow in a RWC final, who would you pick @12 and who would be second choice?

You said Rassie had not picked them you ignorant prick

Tomorrow?

AE

For the next 4 years m, AE. He knows the Bok game and is far superior to DDA in my book.

I'd drop DDA and never have him back in the squad.

And since the rest of our backs are supreme lightweights, I would want a monster at 12...so I would seriously consider Roos as AE's understudy.

In SA we do this thing where we shift big backline players into the pack...which makes no sense because we generally have an abundance of fast quick loosies already.

So I would do the obvious thing and pick a guy like Roos at 12. Nobody will get past him, he will defos break the line and he will put people in space. And he had that natural hunger, so will be running support lines at all times.

Everybody here acts like it's so extreme...but really, what can DDA do that Roos can't?

Fucking idiot

lol Fat Lip...so he picks them...but never uses them.

Great show of confidence. Now why didn't he ever use them? Is it because he's stupid or a genius. Pleas enlighten us.

Another brain fart from the logical fallacy machine, with the very Fat Lip.

Now piss off you ignorant prick.

"what can DDA do that Roos can't?" Tractor...

Willemse and DanDup...Kriel at the Bools...all worthy of a look behind AE...

"Fucking idiot"

Yeah, one day when you argue from anything other than actual ignorant points of view, I might feel slightly insulted by that.

"This guy said so..." this it is true. The fact you don't know what a stupid and illogical way to stir that is tells everyone just what a pleb you are.

But for now, and while you fail to raise a single logical point of your own...

It's you that is clearly the fucking idiot.

Saying that, even an idiot knows he's using illogical arguments after it's clearly explained to him why they're illogical.

But not the red faced Fat Lip.

"Willemse and DanDup...Kriel at the Bools...all worthy of a look behind AE..."

But not monster enough for me...given what our future backline might look like.

Roos at 12 bwhaaahaaa

Geez I thought Doos was the biggest idiot in here

Buttplug you have managed to surpass him

Well done - I’m so damn proud of you

Any other magic calls from you?

Can I suggest Ntlabakanye at 9? Just a suggestion, what do you think?

Still waiting for the Fat Lip to grow a pair of balls, or some brain, and make an reasonable argument...

Me thinks the bus won't be arriving.

Ok maybe Brok Harris at 9 - he brings experience to the equation

Here’s a real stretch…..Dud Toit at lock. Or, even better, remember when he was always at left wing. Talk about a dumb tactic.

Or how about Dud Allende at flyhalf doing those grubber kicks and passing to nobody….there’s a howdy do.

Would that be PSDT by far the best blindside in the game and DA often recognised as the best 12 in the game

Here is one certainty I’d much rather have PSDT at lock that the physically insulting Mostert at 5 - that call is not even close

I’d rather have 19 year old JF v Heerden as my Bok 5 than powder puff and I mean that sincerely

But the genius clearly rates Mostert….there’s the fatal flaw in your argument. Hell he preferred him to Snyman, there is a massive statement. Even I wouldn’t go that far. Mostert is the genius’ man.

No he did not prefer him to Snyman, Snyman was only just back from injury had no game time on his side and when Lood is back as he is now Mostert won’t start.

No-one on this planet prefers Mostert to RG including yourself

There is no flaw - Rassie’s first choice locks are Eben and Lood

Once RG has an extended injury free run he will start for the Boks

Just like he keeps Ox and Marx on the bench - it’s a balance thing. We know Marx is better than Bongi and there is nothing between Ox and Kitshoff

Pollard had just returned from injury and he had no problem starting him. Eluckmiss was saved by the availability of Pollard as a result of Marx’s injury.

With Dud Toit and Mostert in the starting squad, there was little risk playing Snyman if Mostert was a compromise. He wasn’t…he contributed massively to the Bok win. One of the few things Eluckmiss got right.

Um fuck sake Moz Libbok was missing kicks, Pollard started for that reason alone - come on

I tell you has always been useless….Lomp. The man whose defense cost us a crucial try against the ABs in the 2015 semi. The other crucial try was courtesy of Dud.

Lomp’s contribution to the semi in 2019 was being run over by Vunipola and having to leave the field, thankfully allowing Mostert to come on just before the goal line stand,

It’s the only thing Rassie has got wrong - is having Mostert in the squad in total - he and Orie

There are so many better lock options than both

Jenkins, Moerat, Ruben v Heerden, Ruan Vermaak, JD Schickerling, Grobelaar, Ruben Schoeman and Andre Smith are all better locks

Mostert did nothing of note in the WC other than make process tackles and take his ball in the line outs.

Never contributed in the areas that matter - physical carries, physical clean outs, dominant tackles, grunt in the engine room

Mostert is a physical liability and I can’t wait for the day he is history as I don’t get his selection at all.

There is only one credible thing about him - he is durable

Bullshit re Lood, DA or anyone costing us games - utter rubbish. Lood is far far better than useless Mostert it’s why Rassie always starts him and why Matfield said he was the best 5 in the game

I really hope lead feet doesn’t come back…Mostert is far better than Lomp….he is long over his best…then especially with the new locks onboard like Ruben van Heerden….which is far superior in form than lomp ever was!

So Lomp didn’t miss a straightforward tackle for a NZ try….that never happened in Dave Land.

Kaino goes Schplotttttt!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l23BW_hjQEs

That never lost us the test is my point - you bullshit about that aspect. Tackles are missed by every player

Mpower given your utter rugby ignorance I’m not surprised you prefer powder puff Mostert over Lood

How the fuck can Lood be done when Mostert is older than him you idiot?

I hope he is done and just shows you how shit he was and is, that a older Mostert out performs him in all facet’s of play!! " Jenkins, Moerat, Ruben v Heerden, Ruan Vermaak, JD Schickerling, Grobelaar, Ruben Schoeman and Andre Smith are all better locks ". - this is your list and a very good one…You seriously want to tell me that Lomp will out perform these guys???!! No ways in hell, you talking major major Horse shit….who’s the idiot now!?

Mpower you are speaking utter shit - Mostert has never outplayed Lood

There is a reason Rassie selects him ahead of useless Mostert and there is a reason Matfield recently said Lood was the best 5 in the game you ignorant fool

Let me guess you know better than Matfield do you ?

Again, the biggest monkey throws the most shit.

I mean monkey in the intellectual sense.

Were it the physical sense I would say "The fattest monkey..."

This coming from the fucking idiot who wants to see Roos at 12

Shut the fuck up you profoundly stupid man

You are the last twat on here in a position to point fingers

Honest question Dave, how many branches have broken under your extreme weight?

Stop killing the trees.

And stop polluting this board with your inadequacy.

Oh...and go fuck yourself you ignorant, fat, stupid, knuckle dragging, fake jock, limited, inconsequential, wanker.

You seem to be cracking Roos12

Poor little thing - the heat getting too much for you

Talk us through Roos at 12 one more time and be sure to throw in how fat I am given we met in person just the other day

The floor is yours baldy

Here is my counter point...

You're an ignorant, fat, stupid, knuckle dragging, fake jock, limited, and inconsequential wanker.

...and a prick.

Roos12 you are not only fucking stupid you are equally childish

Grow up baldy

You are so fucking weak

Just get a room the pair of you !!! 

Yes, Rooi is the best 12 on earth.

Hey fat sack...

You're an ignorant, fat, stupid, knuckle dragging, fake jock, limited, and inconsequential wanker.

...and a prick lacking any wit.

Oh God. It never ends  

Ruckers is a wonderful place when others start acting like old Fattex, huh Becs?

Hey Fattex, how many glaringly obvious facts did you manage to ignore today...you ignorant wanker?

Buttplug as per usual you are too fucking stupid to realise asking Becs about me is a very poor call.

Why don’t you ask Becs what she thinks of me having met me a few times

You stupid prick

The worst solicitor in the northern hemisphere strikes again...

"asking Becs about me is a very poor call."

"ask Becs what she thinks of me having met me a few times"

Don't ask her, but ask her, but don't, but do...

And the best is, I never asked Becs about you in the first place.

So you have problems with understanding what you're reading, and then you have issues with continuity of thought, even in your very short posts.

What an absolute moron.

Seriously, do you have brain damage or something?

Bwhahahaha!!!!!

It's Friday

24 300 seconds until it's ice cold beer time....

Just saying

Poor Buttplug is still on his journey of brain discovery

Roos to 12 has sent him over the edge

Now go ask Becs

A few less seconds now ...

I hear you DA

It will have to be a lite beer of course given my obesity!!

...and the brain cells it kills.

Ah, screw it, you're past the point of no return anyway, Far Lip.

Grow up Roos 12

"It will have to be a lite beer of course given my obesity!!"

Hopefully not too light...it's all about the taste and the non alcoholic or very light just isn't worth it.

When I was still a working stiff I got into the habit of non alcoholic beer at lunch time. Low calories and better tasting than Diet Coke. After a while I got used to the lighter taste. Now I actually prefer some of the new craft type NAs. And Guinness NA leaves very little in the locker room except the alcoholic kick,

The first law firm I joined after doing my English conversion had a bunch of hardcore old school partners.

We often used to pop down to the local pub at lunchtime and they would stick the business card behind the bar and we would spend the entire afternoon on the beer. We would stumble back to the office, log off, grab your things and head home.

I remember once getting so pissed that I fell on my way to the station and split my trousers right down the crotch. When I got onto the train it was heaving so I ended up plonking myself on the floor with my split and underpants in full view of my fellow commuters, some of which were good mates of mine

Funny thing is, all that time in the pubs was billed as time spent ‘thinking and considering’ I kid you not. Some of those old boys after 6 or 7 pints would shoot off for a client meeting. Admittedly most of the clients were behind bars - criminal fraud.

First case I was ever given was defending a guy that had been caught along with about 10 others smuggling cigarettes through Felixstowe port. At first he tried to convince me that he had no part to play, but given his string of previous convictions for similar offences we soon put that to bed.

He was the first client I had the ‘toothbrush’ conversation with. His recent mail order bride from Russia had just moved over to be with him when he was sent down. Poor woman - she could hardly speak English.

The good old days that must have been around 2000

They were charged with smuggling fags. When Fat Lip was done defending them they were convicted of human trafficking, heroin production, fraud, and murder.

All in a day's work.

Fuck me Roos 12 you are so childish

Grow the fuck up you pathetic little girl

Move on

I can imagine you being my legal defence.

After two minutes of consultation with you I'd lose all hope of breathing free air again.

"Judge, my client is innocent because a) I say so, b) other people also say so, c) they look innocent, d) other people like them are innocent...and finally, Judge, everybody is ignorant."

Funny stuff guys, keep it going. Tell us about your second case Dave.

Yes, Fat Lip

Tell us about the time that you defended a jaywalker and got him the death penalty.

Hahaha… in the UK nogal.

Yeah, the guy ended up being so guilty that they changed the law in order to punish him enough.

That’s how stupid Buttplug is - well spotted Moz - case closed

The attempted recovery carries about as much weight as Roos to 12

Give it up loser

lol I lived in England you wolly.

...and worked in the Magiatrate's Court. I'm well aware that they abolished the death penalty yonks ago.

...and then they brought it back specifically for your clients.

Yeah of course you are ….. now go crawl back in your hole dumbfuck

Magistrate’s court bwaaaahaaasa

I was 22 you tit...

What's wrong with Magistrates Court?

I forgot, you more appreciate the court of popular opinion.

Anyway, give us the details of case #2.

We can't wait to hear about how you managed to use photocopier for the first time.

Cleaning the Magistrate Court toilets does not count as a job, loser

And selling ice cream is a job?

But really now, tell us about how you learned to click "copy" and how it changed your career.

Making and selling ice cream is a very lucrative and prosperous business let me tell you

Everyone loves ice cream. Here is a little clue - just imagine how many good restaurants are located within a single county let alone the country. All I need is 10% of those restaurants on board at £150 a week. You do the maths dumbfuck.

But that’s a stretch too far for you to work out no doubt