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Manie Libbok Plays Better with Esterhuizen @12

Started by sharkbok23 REPLIES1,070 VIEWS· 25 Aug 2023, 23:31
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sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,225 posts
25 Aug 2023, 23:31
#1
25 Aug 2023, 23:31#1

Libbok had probably his best game for the Boks today. It was a solid all-round performance, and my preferred choice over Pollard.(Pollard has to prove form, and he may be injured already)

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Aug 2023, 05:24
#2
26 Aug 2023, 05:24#2
Stop agreeing with me, VisKop...it's weird ;)
PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
26 Aug 2023, 06:20
#3
26 Aug 2023, 06:20#3

The Boks play better with Esterhuizen at 12. Who was that other guy ? Damon...? De Alamo...? Can't remember.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Aug 2023, 06:56
#4
26 Aug 2023, 06:56#4
100% on the same page, Pakie. A 12 that doesn't kill every play he touches. There is no way in hell DDA is still the starter. Literally every channel, every opinion and every comment I see puts AE ahead of DDA. Pity everyone else is only seeing it now while some of us have been saying it for the last 5 years.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Aug 2023, 07:22
#5
26 Aug 2023, 07:22#5
Esterhuizen was excellent as was Moodie at 13
SE
SebPro2,680 posts
26 Aug 2023, 07:44
#6
26 Aug 2023, 07:44#6

Happy for Andre.

I love it when a plan comes together.

https://youtu.be/NsUFBm1uENs?si=iJQsKqP6bQUTT9V5

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
26 Aug 2023, 07:56
#7
26 Aug 2023, 07:56#7
Congrats Bokke!! Well played….Manie is test Quality and what a game he had…the whole team played well…Pieter and Kollisi played out of there skin and so did Mostert….Thor was solid as usual….that scrum worked perfectly with Mostert and eben together….AE and Moodie did link well together…..hard choice for Rassie now with centre Pairing….commanding win by the Boks keep it up Boys make us even more prouder!! : )
KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
26 Aug 2023, 08:18
#8
26 Aug 2023, 08:18#8

Yeah, what a player. He always gets over the advantage line and creates so much space for his 10. He has really good hands too and pretty fast for a big unit.

Completely overshadowed Jordy Barret that never got into the game

Don't forget how well Harlequins have been performing. Marcus Smith looks amazing, but only because Andre is there, creatung those holes for him

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Aug 2023, 09:16
#9
26 Aug 2023, 09:16#9
For the record a 12 can’t make a 10 look good - whatever the 10 does he does before the 12 is involved
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
26 Aug 2023, 11:04
#10
26 Aug 2023, 11:04#10

He must run the right lines to give the 10 that option to pass to...having said that, Manie makes a lot of players look good too.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Aug 2023, 13:41
#11
26 Aug 2023, 13:41#11
Manie is straight-up slick. That's the best way that I can describe him. Here's hoping he goes from strength to strength. Every time the camera was on him you saw fire in his eyes. Looked totally up for it and not in the least concerned by the occasion of it all. Good signs.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,225 posts
26 Aug 2023, 14:33
#12
26 Aug 2023, 14:33#12

The 10-12 axis is a combination, so of course each has an influence on the other. 

For starters a 12 should give the flyhalf an option to pass to - or at the very least draw defenders. 
That includes angled runs, varying depth and running onto the ball at pace, communicating with the outside backs etc.
 
Not standing stationary and flat on the line of advantage to carry it up as a Loose forward (Ala Delande). It is too predictable to defend against, and cuts of  the outside backs.

Everyone wants Esterhuizen except my goldfish and Saffex

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Aug 2023, 14:42
#13
26 Aug 2023, 14:42#13
Tis a pride thing at this point with Dave. He did give AE props though, so there's that.
XA
XaviPro1,924 posts
26 Aug 2023, 18:13
#14
26 Aug 2023, 18:13#14

I thought you played 12 Dave. Of course a 12 can make a 10 look good. 

If he's forcing 2 or more defenders to focus on him there's gonna be space elsewhere and likewise it gives the 10 a "safety" option that's gonna get gainline parity at least or breaks in the best case. Not even mentioned the wrap plays and dummy lines it could lead to.


Maybe you just weren't a very good 12.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
26 Aug 2023, 18:27
#15
26 Aug 2023, 18:27#15

Didn't Dave play 13?

PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
26 Aug 2023, 18:31
#16
26 Aug 2023, 18:31#16

Dave played prop.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
26 Aug 2023, 18:33
#17
26 Aug 2023, 18:33#17

me too...amongst other positions...everything but 9, 10, 12 & 12...

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
26 Aug 2023, 19:05
#18
26 Aug 2023, 19:05#18

I will say it again Manie is yet another Elton and nothing more.

The game was ruled by the SA forwards who overpowered the AB's forwards from the start.

If Pollard is not fit to play we have a 50/50 shot at winning and nothing more.

Remember folks this is about winning and not selected as many players as possible from WP.

Amen.



PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
27 Aug 2023, 05:17
#19
27 Aug 2023, 05:17#19
AJ Manie was flawless on Friday. Frighteningly accurate actually. In fact, apart from his kicking gremlins, he's been very good since getting his shot. Our forwards are a hammer and every time Manie comes out he's looking more and more like one of the sharpest blades there is. I don't think the Elton comparison fair.
PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
27 Aug 2023, 05:25
#20
27 Aug 2023, 05:25#20

I will say it again Manie is yet another Elton and nothing more.

Manie already has more good tests behind his name than Elton could ever scratch together. I think Elton is still on one.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Aug 2023, 08:36
#21
27 Aug 2023, 08:36#21

Elton was never in a team that beat Wales by 36 points and NZ by 28 points...and he won the URC and helped take his team to consecutive URC finals...it's not a fluke, he's good, but I don't think he'll be allowed to play his game during the RWC, but who k ows?

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Aug 2023, 08:36
#22
27 Aug 2023, 08:36#22

Why is Faf suddenly kicking way less?

PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
27 Aug 2023, 08:39
#23
27 Aug 2023, 08:39#23

Elton is an excellent provincial player. He can't lift this game beyond that. We've seen that time after time after time.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Aug 2023, 11:31
#24
27 Aug 2023, 11:31#24

I'm not saying Libbok is the answer for Bok 10, but he has done enough at URC level to be given a serious shot...he deserves a chance...and other than kicking poorly at goal, he looked the part till now.

PS, Stormers has been clearly the best SA side the last two seasons by some distance, it's obvious that they will be well represented in the Bok squad. 

 

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