CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Jul 2014, 22:19#3
Saffex
I share your opinion - but Mozart is onto the misleading stance again. He created a lot of statements about players he cannot substantiate at all. The target this time is Reinach and Jordaan - but this was to be expected.
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Jul 2014, 22:21#4
You can't prove you are test quality playing against the Highlanders in Durban....when they are being overwhelmed physically. Louw was able to make a difference vs NZ in NZ....let's see how Marcell goes against the Saders.
But what was clear is Mvovo has made no progress against big fast opponents.
Thomas is clearly a very strong lad...if you raved about him that's nice. But you probably raved about 20 other players.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Jul 2014, 23:01#5
Saffex
The norm is set - Mozart raves about some players when they play even mediocre opponents - but against the same level opponents his praise singing of other players are unbelievable.
Mozart does not like Coetzee - o in fact same as he does not like 95% of the players younger than 30 - so what else do you expect from him?
Flashdakota
Club Pro805 posts
FlashdakotaClub Pro805 posts
20 Jul 2014, 23:44#6
Coetzee ahs been fantastic in every game that he has played this season.
He has the skillset.
And for all you naysayers, he most certainly has no issue with his weight (being too light).
He would walk in to any international squad in the world!
Him and Alberts compliment each others style.
Looking forward to seeing them blow the Crusties away next week!
I just hope Kanko comes to the party as well!
SASaffolk
Captain30,741 posts
SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
21 Jul 2014, 00:02#7
As the commentators said, he has been sublime all season, winning 5 or 6 MOM awards.....Coetzee is the business, a far better player in every respect than the at best solid Louw.....its chalk and cheese stuff.....but the conservative twits will always go with the ordinary likes of Louw......and the very reason we will never become the best.
Last I checked, the Highlanders made the S15 play off's - if that is not a test, then what the hell is......what bullshit.
Coetzee is a class act, he proved that on Sat again
21 Jul 2014, 00:42#8
lol saf!
ya brother... moz is a typical old timer.
Set in his ways and refuses to budge... much like clevermike on the whole Willem Alberts issue.
Look i do think Louw has been fabulous. But in Coetzee we have a gem in the making!
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
21 Jul 2014, 00:49#10
And wow here we have the fucking stupid Dutchman telling us what a test match is....Vlagshit, do us all a mighty favour and go put a bullet in your head
FOForeverArizona
Club Pro580 posts
FOForeverArizonaClub Pro580 posts
21 Jul 2014, 00:49#11
Well its a tough call...Flouw has proved himself.He has experience.On the other hand Coetzee has been very good/outstanding and I believe he has allready made the cross over to test rugby.The question is can he take Flouws Jersey.Competition for positions are healthy for the Boks.To be quite frank...and I hate to say this but the one player that actually hasn't produced form is Willem Alberts.If anyone needs to watch his place in the Bok team its this guy.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
21 Jul 2014, 00:56#12
Louw has always been a solid player without the x factor.......Marcel adds far more value with ball in hand and has now mastered the art of the turnover.....something he has had to learn given he was never a 6.
Alberts is past his best......there are better loosies about. Jacques du Plessis and Steph du Toit would be far better options at 7
Of the current Bok loosetrio only Vermeulen is worthy of his place.
Brussouw, Coetzee, du Plessis, PSDT, Vermeulen and Arno Botha should be our loose trio options come the WC
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
21 Jul 2014, 03:16#14
Dutchie are you still breathing?
21 Jul 2014, 03:38#15
Gaan slaap, Pielneus, jy is moeg.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Jul 2014, 03:43#16
I'm afraid the Saders are going to teach young Marcel a few lessons. But before you start attacking, let's just see what happens. It's so funny, two years ago we were in exactly the same place and Marcel flopped in the tests. A huge cry went up about how biased HM was to drop him. But the same posters now say he is so much better....which kind of proves HM's point.
21 Jul 2014, 07:08#17
In Mozart's mind players can't improve and the first professional match they play they're the finished product.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Jul 2014, 10:09#19
Mozart
So you believe players can improve until they reach the age of 28 - and that they maintain the standard of performance they reach by the age of 28 thereafter until they choose to retire themselves? Is that why you cannot stand it when people point out serious decline in performances of players after the age of 30 or even earlier?
Lets face facts - some players are early developers and start off careers early - maybe because of the attainment of physical superiority at an earlier age than others. They may start off like a bang in playing rugby and then stagnate and go backwards in performance sooner than then happened in normal cases. Francois Steyn is an example. He was very good when he hit the scene in 2007 - and went sour during the past three years. In other words decline sets in at a much earlier date that when he reached the age of 28.
Your theory abut players looking great until they play against top opposition is laughable - since your interpretation of player performances is so twisted - it is unbelievable. When you like a player - he can be poor against opposing teams like Scotland - yet you praise him as being exceptional (Bakkies Botha) for instance - while other players who shine against Scotland is denigrated because they only played against Scotland and that does not count.
Lets face it - your assessment of player performances is a joke and is contrary to fact. As ab exampkle - you said Alberts was doing fine - but his assessment on Foxsport was 7 points - an absolute failure. he fails constantly on higher level as well - but hie perforamces are always graded by you as fine or good. An absolute farce - but that is pretty normal with you.
NTntanga
Club Pro336 posts
21 Jul 2014, 12:07#20
Nice thread Saffex; I think Marcel has impressed a lot of people this season, and I'm one of them.
Well said Chippo; "Look i do think Louw has been fabulous. But in Coetzee we have a gem in the making!"
21 Jul 2014, 12:28#21
Here we go another dumbfounded lie, I've never took notice of Coetzee in the past 2 years, only recently have began to like Coetzee and even then I haven't called for him to start for the Boks or anything. Brussow is the flank I've been calling to start.
GTGonzo the Great
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GTGonzo the GreatClub Pro560 posts
21 Jul 2014, 17:05#23
Coetzee has been extraordinary for the Sharks, but you must remember that Super rugby is further away from test rugby than anything even in Europe! And he plays in a certain dynamic as well. I don't know if he is really test quality now but why disrupt Louw and the rest who played so well on the ground throughout 2013? TIme will tell but I don't think he is going to do anything better. Only Brussow can add more, but he is freakishly strong and a special individual.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Jul 2014, 18:12#24
Gonzo
Just a question. Do you stated that Super Rugby is further away from test rugby than Club rugby in Europe is away from test rugby - so on what do you base that assertion or is it just your own opinion?
I do not agree that Coetzee should replace Louw immediately in any effect. I regard Coetzee as a very good back up for Louw and he won;t let us down in future when Louw is out of contention.
To my mind Brussow has had enough chances and he constantly foul them up - even on Super 15 level. Too many penalties and that is a fact. I do not rate him higher than Louw and Coetzee - but that is also a personal opinion.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Jul 2014, 19:00#25
The usual confusion. Coetzee has to show it at test level. But as with all players he has to get there first. HM won't be taking great notice of his S15 performances, hell Watson was the S15 player of the year.
But Saturday is different. He will be up against NZ test loosies. So let's see if he can impose himself. If he can't, all the process tackles...all the runs through S15 opposition won't amount to much. If he can be part of the difference, he is finally ready for test rugby.
As for Brossouw, he is the 2 litre car competing against 3 litre cars. He was great for the Lions series, or more specifically the first Lions test....after that his body started giving out. Now after several engine rebuilds, he isn't half the player he was....although occasionally we see touches of greatness.
