Mark Ella wants to borrow some All Blacks

To make the Aussie teams more competitive former Wallaby great Mark Ella has posited that NZ rugby should loan the likes of Barrett and Retallick to the Aussie super rugby teams !

He reckons that maybe players should be shared out among all the Super teams to make them all more competitive.OK then we will trade you Alaimo for one of yer props but dont send him back all broken and make sure ya wash all the mud off.I reckon we have a bajillion first class backs so we could prolly spare a couple .

Who would you trade ?

Wow!!!

I dunno Ka Mate ,bro we are a bit light on for props and untill Coles is back to his best I wouldnt mind Marx at the Chiefs !

Do we also trade Kunti refs?

Seems like our kbbs friends are have a weird conversation amongst themselves that only they can make any sense of. Hahahahhahahahaha have to say they are an amusing bunch of bandits!!!!

Beandik ask your mate plum for help,bird[brains] of a feather and all that.

Kitshoff isnt too bad ,I would loan out a few youngsters maybe for the experience but jeezum crow it would be a big ask to trade Beau dy and the like .

Plum showing his true sad arsed colours ,sort of.He should find a street juggler and borrow some balls.

Strauss used to be a pretty decent hooker ,not as good as Bizmark mind but still not too bad.We had our problems at hooker sorted for a while but I reckon Riccatelli isnt up to speed yet and Codie Taylor isnt anywhere near Coles at best.

As far as the Aussies go its lean pickings ,maybe Pocock ?But I think they want to just get some ABs while retaining whatever they have to even it out .

Now lets get some reality in here.   No SA frnchies would want any NZ Tight 5 players from any NZ franchise.   Noboidy need the sofities in the Tight 5.

As to loosies we have better loosies than NZ as well - but those are not picked because of politics.  I would pick thre lossies that would put tne NZ loosies to shame.

So how about th backline?   W have at thisstage better flyhalfs than NZ playing and those include Willemse, Du preez and Pollard,

I am not worried about centers either.  The last time SBW played in SA  De Allende trashed him as well after in the 2015 test he caused Nono to be replaced early because he played the fool with him.   We have enough other centers as well.  

eW do not need any NZ players to strengthen our local sides.   In any event NZ has a problem already with a sub-standard side and two barely satisfactory sides - who needs regular ref assistance to beat opposition.   So they should first look a tte local teams and try to  strengthen them

Now back to the Aussies,   I have a suggestion - they should have foiur sides comprising players from Australlia, Fiji, Samoa and try and putsome more money into recruiting of other players into the system.   .    

Where we are weak is in scrummies. /   

Now lets get some reality in here.   No SA frnchies would want any NZ Tight 5 players from any NZ franchise.   Noboidy need the sofities in the Tight 5.

As to loosies we have better loosies than NZ as well - but those are not picked because of politics.  I would pick thre lossies that would put tne NZ loosies to shame.

So how about th backline?   W have at thisstage better flyhalfs than NZ playing and those include Willemse, Du preez and Pollard,

I am not worried about centers either.  The last time SBW played in SA  De Allende trashed him as well after in the 2015 test he caused Nono to be replaced early because he played the fool with him.   We have enough other centers as well.  

eW do not need any NZ players to strengthen our local sides.   In any event NZ has a problem already with a sub-standard side and two barely satisfactory sides - who needs regular ref assistance to beat opposition.   So they should first look a tte local teams and try to  strengthen them

Now back to the Aussies,   I have a suggestion - they should have foiur sides comprising players from Australlia, Fiji, Samoa and try and putsome more money into recruiting of other players into the system.   .    

Where we are weak is in scrummies. /   

Bluebok

I was in the main pulling the leg of the NZ members here.   I am not so sure about the centers myself - but the way De Allende handled Nonu previously and this year SBW- the latter one of the best 12's  in NZ at present - showed

Haaaaaaaaaahahahahahaaa!!

Plum ... you beat me to it.

The Ozzies are guaranteed a few additional wins with the Kiwi refs around. That should be worth something. Loaning their refs out could be very lucrative for the Kiwis. So much so that instead of sponging off of us all the time they could finance their own damn SR tournament in the future.

I suggested a few years back that they should take their silly little tongue lolling Haka out and tour the world. Put a little face paint on and turn it into a global event. I'm sure the world will be curious to see what became of the cannibals of old.

It's a win win situation for all of us. We'll rid ourselves of their outstretched cupped hands and their constant tearful whinging ... while we join the rest of the rugby world for some solid competition. There where there's no official warning for becoming a little too physical.

I like it.

Mozxart

And the biggest fool of all is the prejudiced farce posting on this site.   I never said that De Allende is world class - at least he is better than your favourites - Fat Fransie,  Bausteraud, Kerevi and Kuridrani .   I referred to two cases where he trashed Nono and SBW - which actually happened.

Why do you attack posters when you cannot counter factual cases mentioned fool? 

Ka, tell us, who was the Saffa to trigger you...and rob you of whatever logic you might have possessed? Was it Beenz?

Ka mate

Year in year out ou Makkie drones on about how crap our players are.Year in year out they kick his teams butt.So much for Ou Makkies knowledge RE:NZ players.

Wardad

Sorry, but the above posting of mine is a farce retort to the one posted by  ka mate   

Fair enough Mikey but Ka Mate is entitled to troll a bit ,after all you did and the likes of  beandick and cleam clunt do nothing but.

Beandork takes everything his bible says literally ,as he is wont to expound at length on .Although the bit about mixing fibres being grounds for stoning is a good idea in his case and he should follow through on that .

Poor bloody Vince is out with a broken wrist .Musta offended several of those gods that poor bugger.

No I am not disputing it.   All I pointed out that the SA sides have trashed all six of them in the  Hurricanes - Sharks game and also in the Bulls - Huricanes game.  

Aso may have a remote chance  to be considered by the SA  franchises - butitis unlikely that that wouldhappen. is remote.

I have referred to the fact that this year all 4 SA teams are in the top 5 insofar as scoring of tries is concerned and they also are tops in line breaks and defenders beaten..

At this stage I am afraid players like Laumape and Crotty will not be considered by any of the four SA sides for selection in the theoretical cicumstances where such contracts will be considered.  

There are some deparments where NZ sides have better players overall - but there are others where SA players are better than anything NZ can offer and those are in respect of props, hookers and locks,   Then  there are where the top players are very even and those include the flyhalfs.  where 3 of the five top players are SA players.- with only Barrett and McKenzie being in the top 5.    I did not consider Mo-anga because he did not play in enough games to be considered.

Lets face facts there are no fringe NZ players that has a snowballs hope in hell of getting into SA sides;    There is a first need for them - strengthen the poor Blues team and get the questionable  Chiefs and Highlanders teams to become more competitive so as to win  matches without the active help of the especially the NZ referees.

It is a  tragedy - but the only worthwhile NZ teams this year are the Crusaders and the Hurricanes and the letter lost against the Bulls and was referee-assisted against the Sharks.   What happened in the case where previous years 4 of the top 5 try scoring teams  were from NZ and now only one of the teams is in that category?

From what I have seen thus far in Super Rugby - is that the SA teams are improving and the NZ sides staying stagnant or even going down in performance.  That should w orry NZ supporters a lot.

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I am disputing your claim that SA sides need any NZ fringe players in their teamsfor the reasons stated above. .  

Let's be honest, the 6th choice Hurricanes outside back (behind Lam, NMS, J Barrett, J Savea and Goosen) would be Vince Aso. Aso would not only walk into any of the Yarpie sides, he'd be the country's superstar player and they'd be calling him the greatest wing of all time.

It will not last. It takes a proper environment to sustain a player's performances.

SA missed the turn to professionalism. They do not know how to play rugby, they cant train players.

After one year or so, an isolated player will be dragged to the level of the common SA player, no matter the talent and training he had when he joined SA.

Making a SA side able to play rugby will require a side with a majority of non SA players with a couple of SA players for the flavour.

That Goosen sounds like a Saffa. Wasn't Merthens a Saffa too?

Ja wee Merhts has a Saffa origin and Wes Goosen [ is it pronounced "Hoosen" ?] is part of the Saffa diaspora I think.Hell even I have a Saffa sister-in-law so you guys get around eh ?

Ou Makkie I would put a fit Dane Coles up against any hooker going around and guys like Faumaina not only perform their primary tasks to the standard required but also burn other forwards as regards mobility around the paddock etc.

If you want one dimensional players who can do only their allotted task and no more then fine but thats not what the NZ teams want .We want at the very least parity -plus .

Wardad

When last did Coles play - not this year I am sad to see.   Putting him against Marx is like expecting from a school kid to be better than a rugby professional

The discussion was about the Super Rugby this year and the players playing this year on that level and that is where I say that we do not NZ fringe Super Rugby players to strengthen SA Super Rugby sides/

The fact is what most NZ supporters missed is what the Chiefs coach said about  the SA rugby sides this year about the style of play aside from the Lions taking hold in the SA teams  - a hu ge improvement om what happened under he duds that use to coach SA teams.

This can only improve further in future and next year the NZ teams would find it even harder to contend with - they may need even more help from the refs than they got this year.    .   

Lend out the Blues loosies and backrow and replace them with Lions loosies 

That is not the problem.   The Blues loosies would be superstars if the Blues had a proper Tight 5.   They have an atrocious Tight 5 combination - but that is the case with nearly all NZ teams.  Thee NZ teams have a few worthy Tight 5 players - but none really the top class combination they should have.   

That is why they need referee assistance so badly to win games that happened so frequently this year when they play SA teams.  

Duplication