That's not what Deus said.
He said Marx had an average game against the ABs, which from one perspective he did.
I don't agree with Deus because it felt like he was undervaluing Marx's presence.
But that's a million miles from calling Marx a poor rugby player.
Asking you to understand even obvious nuance has always been a fool's errand, Fishnuts.
For me, Marx is the best hooker that the Boks have had, and potentially one of the best hookers to have ever played the game. His error rate is almost non-existent and the pressure he applies isn't world-class...it's all-time class. A close to perfect hooker as you'll find.
I don't think that anybody on this forum would outright disagree with that statement.
Not more than I love facts and honesty...Saffy
If somebody misrepresented you, I'd probably stick up for you too.
Marx is a great player. Name a better Bok hooker. Yet he seldom starts. Quotas are a real problem.
Orie is another proof of the problem.
Agree.
He is a power house and should be the starting hooker in all Springbok games.
His only shortcoming is the throw in at present.
Hopefull it will be on target by RWC time.
Agree Plum, I have never seen a better hooker than Marx….although I often feel he would have been a fabulous number 7.
@ButtPlug
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Jul 24, 2023, 15:39Marx looks average. It's been a long time since his peak in 2016, I'm starting to believe that this is is baseline.
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Jul 26, 2023, 10:24That's not what Deus said.
He said Marx had an average game against the ABs, which from one perspective he did.
I don't agree with Deus because it felt like he was undervaluing Marx's presence.
But that's a million miles from calling Marx a poor rugby player.
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No Buttplug, read very carefully- that is not what he said at all
He stated that Marx is average- and it is his baseline (meaning how he usually plays - at least since 2016)
Tries off the back of a driving maul, just like those that account for the bulk of that of Bongi and Bismarck. Firstly, I never said he was a poor rugby player. I have stated several times of the past few weeks that he needs to show more of what he can do. I stated that he was the best player in the world in 2016, but hasn't reached that level since. That's not an opinion. That's a fact. As for being indispensable now? What has he produced to warrant such a label? Firstly, what did he do to "turn the game around" against New Zealand. I have gone over the game ruck by ruck, set piece by set piece and still, even with that information at hand, noone can point out exactly what he did that was so integral to anything. Some point out the breakdown, but that only raises more questions; how did they not see Kwagga, Steph, Koch, RG? It wasn't Marx who was doing to heavy hitting at the breakdown. So where was it? I think it comes down to the usual: He was seen at the back of the maul and scored a try. His face was on the screen, and the knee jerk emotional over-reach ensued. The simpletons are those who cannot assert anything of substance, yet again. It should be obvious by now that I line my ducks up before pulling the trigger. Even a little research goes a long way. The same faces argue against the facts, time and time again. They couldn't even see Willie at 10; low hanging fruit, yet still to lofty for them. Quite amusing. As with all the other mythical topics, I still wait for anything even remotely tangible from the simpletons.
Broke it today....with the most tries scored by a forward.
