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Massive Concerns for the Sporingboks

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Aug 2014, 12:27
#1
25 Aug 2014, 12:27#1

The following article goes to the bone and cpmes up with some vry uncomfortable realities:-


"Taking their heads out of the sand and admitting that there is a massive problem with the scrum would be a good start, but the Springbok self-analysis will have to go far further than that if the problems that were exposed by Argentina are not to lead to crisis later in the Castle Lager Rugby Championship.

On a Saturday when New Zealand comprehensively swept away any doubt that they remain the team to beat and confirmed the pre-tournament predictions that they should retain their hegemony in southern hemisphere rugby, Salta provided evidence that the creaks that started to show themselves in the South African game in the second test against Wales may not have just been an aberration.

Line-out specialist Victor Matfield and big ball carrying forward Willem Alberts will be added to the group that departs for Australia later this week ahead of the match against the Wallabies in Perth on Saturday week, 6 September. Alberts has been missed and so has Matfield, but both were present when the most critical area of concern, the scrumming, started to be exposed in the June internationals.

They were also both in the team that was fortunate to win against a Wales team that outplayed them for three quarters of the game at Mbombela Stadium. That performance was regarded as a once-off, and that is what South Africans would have been hoping, but take away the big win over a weak and depleted Scotland, and the reality dawns that Nelspruit was not an isolated bad day at the office at all.

There was the mitigating circumstance of an unseasonal downpour at Loftus the previous week, but on a day when previous good Bok teams would have been expected to stand up and make a statement, the Boks turned out to be even more abject in Salta than they were in Nelspruit and Pretoria

Coach Heyneke Meyer is right to be positive about the way his team responded to the pressure of being down in two of the three games under the microscope. It may even be what the Boks need at this stage of their build towards next year’s World Cup in England. But if he was honest, he would have to admit that in both instances the opposition lack of self-belief and consequent inability to close out the games is all that stood between them and defeats that could have been by humiliating margins.

That has to be a concern if you take into consideration that Wales have never won in South Africa and the Boks have never lost to Argentina, particularly with the All Blacks being so resounding in their annihilation of Australia in Auckland. The Pumas do have a strong scrumming reputation, but they have seldom in the modern era been as completely dominant as they were in Salta.

At the same time, it is also hard to recall when last, if ever, the South African big men have been so humiliated in that phase of the game. Make no mistake, it would have had a knock-on effect on the other areas, and why it is hard to really criticise individuals or combinations that ended up playing behind a tight five that was in constant reverse gear.

It is reasonable to wonder though whether the Boks were caught short to some extent by the same debilitation that impacted on the Wallabies in Auckland – bad selection. Juan Smith’s selection seemed like a good idea if he was to produce his 2010 form and be a ball carrier and additional line-out option. He ended up being anonymous, and with Gurthro Steenkamp not passing muster either, you do have to wonder if the first step Meyer should take in building up to the Australasian chapter in the Rugby Championship is to resolve that past reputation should not be a criteria of selection.

Bryan Habana has carried on from where he left off playing for the Stormers at the start of last year and Fourie du Preez is a rugby genius and contributes when he is present, but the contribution of the rest of the foreign legion is questionable. Bakkies Botha was good for maybe 50 minutes back in 2011, now he may be good for 15 at the most, and the Bok midfield looked a lot more settled before Meyer introduced Jaque Fourie for the end of year test matches. 


Since then we have seen two players out of position in the No 13 jersey – Damian de Allende is an inside centre – and given that it is the outside centre who should be directing the defence, it could well be the reason why the Bok defence at the back has become so porous (yes, that was another area that was also exposed by Wales).

The presence of the overseas legion also raises another question related to team continuity, something which Meyer regards as important but which he chooses to neglect whenever he feels inclined to call in an overseas based player with a reputation built before 2011. Injuries are having an effect on Meyer’s quest to field the same team, but so are overseas commitments, with too many players being available for some games but not others.

Meyer’s argument that when players are not available it gives others an opportunity to build experience is a valid one, but that has to be weighed up against the need for continuity which at other times he regards as so important. In the two tests against Argentina the Boks played with a new second row combination, a new back row combination, a new halfback combination, a new midfield combination... When you look at it like that, it is small wonder the team looked so disjointed and lacked fluidity.

The players who came out of the Salta game with reputations intact were Willie le Roux, who tried his best to plug holes at the back and spark attacking opportunities, the two wings and reserve loose-forward Marcell Coetzee. The latter was more industrious than some critics thought he was in the Loftus game, and perhaps his omission from the team – he had only started because of the 11th hour withdrawal of Alberts – was premature.

For the rest it was a forgettable day out and while the Boks did win to extend their winning run to eight since their last defeat, against the All Blacks in Johannesburg, they are going to have to make a massive improvement between now and Perth if they are to back up Meyer’s confidence that they can win the competition.

They dropped two points in the first week of competition, but after their sublime performance against Australia, right now all the momentum is with the All Blacks and it is hard to think of a Bok combination that matches its counterpart in the New Zealand team."

COMMENTS

Lets look at some observations - some of which his been expressed by Beeno, Saffex, myslf and others and has been rubbished by others on this site.


Victor Matfield and Willem Alberts


The big song and dance on this site is that these two will correct all problems - but will they?   Alberts is a low work rate player whose carries are getting less and less and whos mpact of the game is negligebile.   The article clearly spells out the fact that they were present when  scrumming started to deterirate in June and fcould do nothing about it - to be honest they probably added too it.   


Matfield is good in line outs - but that is where it ends.  His role in rolling mauls has been exposed as useless - he is sidelined even when starting the role and is pushed out of the amuls with ease - normally ending up besides the mauls on the grass   


Bakkies Botha


I have said all along that Bakkies plays for 15 minutes and then vanished from tehs cene altogether.   The article clearly confirm that situation.


Juan Smith 


The article clearly indicated he was selected based on his form in 2011 - ie on reputation - and that he was invisible on Saturday.  He was one of the bad selections mentioned.


Scrumming


It never happened that the Springboks were humiliated in the scrums before - it happened on two successive Saturdays now.   It is clear that both Jannie du Plessis and Gurthro were to blame.


Foreign based players 


It is clear that there were three selections among th foreign-based players that are seriously problematic - namely Gurthro Steenkamp, Bakkies Botha and Juan Smith.  These players are selected on the basis of reputation - not on the basis of performance.  


There is much hullabaloo about Morne Steyn as well - he according to some won the game for SA.   He converted three kicks at goal - but was he more accurate than Pollard was?   The answer is one great zero - he was not.   He made a near-disatrous charge down kick in Pretora and a serious mistake in Salta that could have lost the game for the Springboks - a direct into touch kick from his own 10 meter line - when it was evident that the abll should rather have been kept in hand     Is he another French-based player of extremely questionable value?  There is evidence that he is.


The miodfield combination 


In both gaames there were some problems in defense - as there was in teh June tests.  It is obviously easy to blame the two players who came in - Pietersen and De Allende.   Pietersen has had a previous history of defense deficiencies for the Sharks and was gor that reason moved to wing in 2012.  De Allende did miss two tackles in Pretoria and one on Saturday - but these two games were the only ones he played at 13 since his school days.  He showed serious signs of effectiveness in ball carries in both games and I am sure he can with more experience in that position be coached into improving his defense.  Matter of fact he already was better in Salta than he was in Pretoria.    I would not rush into finding another center in his place.


The serious concern to my mind is the no-show of Jean de Villiers in both games and the qustion marks as to his performances in both the Pumas tests.


Summary  


The answer is probably in solving the scrumming problems - and that really is where the core of the issue lies.   It is clear as daylight that both Jannie du Plessis and Gurthro Steenkamp was seriously defective on Saturday.   Both are way past the age of top performance and to expect them to improve is just not on.   


We have some problems on Tight head - but I think they should look at some options. The problem remains where to go to - Malherbe - who was much firmer on Saturday than Jannie - despite all Mozart's protentations to the contrary - may be injured and the question is what to do?   I think that there are a number of options here:-


*  Meyer should ask the Sharks to try out Thomas du Toit at Tighthead to see how that young monster perform at Tighthead - he may be the answer to the sticky problem in the longer term.


*  The Lions had the best performing scrums in all of Super 15 and their loosehead (Van der Merwe) in fact scrummed Jannie into the ground as well.   However, their Tighthead (Dreyer) is also good and he may have to be brought in at some stage or another.


*   Although good in other formats of the game and not an exprerienced scrummager   - Marcell van der Merwe should also be a good option in future.   


At loosehead I think they should forget about Steenkamp and start looking at Van der Merwe from the Lions as a back up for Beast.  The other options are numerous - Thomas du Toit and Nyakanae are good enough as back-ups.             

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Aug 2014, 13:01
#2
25 Aug 2014, 13:01#2
 Mike you beat me to the punch. hereis my edited version:

Taking their heads out of the sand and admitting that there is a massive problem with the scrum would be a good start, but the Springbok self-analysis will have to go far further than that if the problems that were exposed by Argentina are not to lead to crisis later in the Castle Lager Rugby Championship.

On a Saturday when New Zealand comprehensively swept away any doubt that they remain the team to beat and confirmed the pre-tournament predictions that they should retain their hegemony in southern hemisphere rugby (Note the contradiction later re mistakes made in wobblies selections), Salta provided evidence that the creaks that started to show themselves in the South African game in the second test against Wales may not have just been an aberration.

Line-out specialist Victor Matfield and big ball carrying forward Willem Alberts will be added to the group that departs for Australia later this week ahead of the match against the Wallabies in Perth on Saturday week, 6 September. Alberts has been missed and so has Matfield (Rubbish apart possibly Alberts in the toreential Loftus test), but both were present when the most critical area of concern, the scrumming, started to be exposed in the June internationals.

They were also both in the team that was fortunate to win against a Wales team that outplayed them for three quarters of the game at Mbombela Stadium. That performance was regarded as a once-off, and that is what South Africans would have been hoping, but take away the big win over a weak and depleted Scotland, and the reality dawns that Nelspruit was not an isolated bad day at the office at all.

There was the mitigating circumstance of an unseasonal downpour at Loftus the previous week, but on a day when previous good Bok teams would have been expected to stand up and make a statement, the Boks turned out to be even more abject in Salta than they were in Nelspruit and Pretoria. (Except when the replacements came on and blew the Argies away with 20 minutes of good rugby)

Coach Heyneke Meyer is right to be positive about the way his team responded to the pressure of being down in two of the three games under the microscope. It may even be what the Boks need at this stage of their build towards next year’s World Cup in England. But if he was honest, he would have to admit that in both instances the opposition lack of self-belief and consequent inability to close out the games is all that stood between them and defeats that could have been by humiliating margins.

That has to be a concern if you take into consideration that Wales have never won in South Africa and the Boks have never lost to Argentina, particularly with the All Blacks being so resounding in their annihilation of Australia in Auckland. The Pumas do have a strong scrumming reputation, but they have seldom in the modern era been as completely dominant as they were in Salta.(WAS IT LEGAL IS THE ONE QUESTION)

At the same time, it is also hard to recall when last, if ever, the South African big men have been so humiliated in that phase of the game. Make no mistake, it would have had a knock-on effect on the other areas, and why it is hard to really criticise individuals or combinations that ended up playing behind a tight five that was in constant reverse gear.(NOTHING WRONG ITH THE LOCKS – DON’T MAKE THIS ATIGHT FIVE THING AND ALSO SUGGEST WE NEED WEE MATFILED TO STRENGTHNEN THE TIGHT FIVE!!! YOU NEED TO BE CERTIFIED ASA LOOINIE MENEER MONG!)

It is reasonable to wonder though whether the Boks were caught short to some extent by the same debilitation that impacted on the Wallabies in Aucklandbad selection.

Juan Smith’s selection seemed like a good idea if he was to produce his 2010 form and be a ball carrier and additional line-out option. He ended up being anonymous, and with Gurthro Steenkamp not passing muster either, you do have to wonder if the first step Meyer should take in building up to the Australasian chapter in the Rugby Championship is to resolve that past reputation should not be a criteria of selection.(MUSIC TO OU MAAAAIKIE’S EARS!!!)

Bryan Habana has carried on from where he left off playing for the Stormers at the start of last year and Fourie du Preez is a rugby genius and contributes when he is present, but the contribution of the rest of the foreign legion is questionable. Bakkies Botha was good for maybe 50 minutes back in 2011, now he may be good for 15 at the most, and the Bok midfield looked a lot more settled before Meyer introduced Jaque Fourie for the end of year test matches.

Since then we have seen two players out of position in the No 13 jersey – Damian de Allende is an inside centre – and given that it is the outside centre who should be directing the defence, it could well be the reason why the Bok defence at the back has become so porous (yes, that was another area that was also exposed by Wales).(PLAY JEAN AT 13?)

The presence of the overseas legion also raises another question related to team continuity, something which Meyer regards as important but which he chooses to neglect whenever he feels inclined to call in an overseas based player with a reputation built before 2011 (MORE MUSIC TO OU MAAAIKIES EARS). Injuries are having an effect on Meyer’s quest to field the same team, but so are overseas commitments, with too many players being available for some games but not others.

Meyer’s argument that when players are not available it gives others an opportunity to build experience is a valid one, but that has to be weighed up against the need for continuity which at other times he regards as so important. In the two tests against Argentina the Boks played with a new second row combination, a new back row combination, a new halfback combination, a new midfield combination... When you look at it like that, it is small wonder the team looked so disjointed and lacked fluidity.

The players who came out of the Salta game with reputations intact were Willie le Roux, who tried his best to plug holes at the back and spark attacking opportunities, the two wings and reserve loose-forward Marcell Coetzee. The latter was more industrious than some critics thought he was in the Loftus game, and perhaps his omission from the team – he had only started because of the 11th hour withdrawal of Alberts – was premature.(Here he goes wrong nothing wrong with a number of other players eg Duane, Habana and Louw, Etzebeth etc)

For the rest it was a forgettable day out and while the Boks did win to extend their winning run to eight since their last defeat, against the All Blacks in Johannesburg, they are going to have to make a massive improvement between now and Perth if they are to back up Meyer’s confidence that they can win the competition.

They dropped two points in the first week of competition, but after their sublime performance against Australia, right now all the momentum is with the All Blacks and it is hard to think of a Bok combination that matches its counterpart in the New Zealand team.

What the oak doesn’t put together is that the wobblies were the architects of their own downfall via selections and via generally sloppy play particularly very poor handling. wee abs made to look good.

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
25 Aug 2014, 13:38
#3
25 Aug 2014, 13:38#3

All this panic about the Boks apparent weak scrum is just that panic. Meyer is implementing a "strategic retreat" type approach with the scrum.  So far the retreat part is working brilliantly. Well done boys

RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
25 Aug 2014, 13:44
#4
25 Aug 2014, 13:44#4
What should be of massive concern to all Springbok supporters is the alarming dip in form of both du Plessis brothers.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Aug 2014, 14:03
#5
25 Aug 2014, 14:03#5
 Yes, yes rooitwit we have long since noted that and the fact they have played far, far too much rugby. You should get up to speed and blame Jake!! Ou rooi twit well behind the pace!


GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
25 Aug 2014, 15:32
#6
25 Aug 2014, 15:32#6
 Asking of the Du Plessis brothers to keep it up is rather like asking Bruce Fordyce to run 2 comrades in the same week and expect to win...just too much unrealistic expectations for 2 great players...the human body can take just so much.
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
25 Aug 2014, 15:44
#7
25 Aug 2014, 15:44#7
 Just-win brother , he might end up with more of a retreat from Moscow if hes not careful harharhar !Strangely or maybe not the fantasy footy has been a good form indicator lately.Usually Bismark would be a no brainer f or yer hooker but lately...
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