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Match officials put downer on England's party, Patrick McKendry; NZ HERALD

Started by Just_win15 REPLIES292 VIEWS· 18 Sept 2015, 23:30
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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
18 Sept 2015, 23:30
#1
18 Sept 2015, 23:30#1

England 35 Fiji 11
Finally, after what has seemed like an extraordinarily long build-up, the 2015 World Cup is under way, with England making not so much a statement first up against Fiji at Twickenham, more a suggestion that they might be a moderately difficult team to break down.

They were deserved winners against a Fiji team who were terribly unlucky in the first half.

Nikola Matawalu, their halfback and one of their best players, was yellow carded for diving into the side of a maul, in the process also conceding a penalty try. Later, on the stroke of halftime, he was penalised by referee Jaco Peyper for going off his feet at the tackle when it looked like he did anything but.

There was more of the same from a set of match officials which increasingly had the crowd of 80,000 and a worldwide television audience of about 450 million looking at their watches. Lock Api Ratuniyarawa was penalised for cleaning out a ruck without using his arms after it was spotted by TV match official Shaun Veldsman, like Peyper a South African.

The standard for such an intervention is "clear and obvious". This was not. Earlier, flanker Dominiko Waqaniburotu was penalised for lifting a player through the horizontal. A yellow card was mentioned but not shown by Peyper. The sum effect was frustration from the Fijians and probably most neutrals watching. This was and will be rugby's big chance to shine and yet it was the match officials who seemed to be wanting to be on the big stage.

One of the themes of an impressive and touching opening ceremony was "giants of the game" and maybe the officials need to a quiet reminder said giants should be the players.

Nemani Nadolo, the Fiji and Crusaders' colossal left wing, and a player destined to take this tournament by storm, scored when outjumping Anthony Watson. Everyone at the ground knew it was a try apart from, apparently, Peyper, who referred it to Veldsman.

Really? The first half took 51 due to all the stoppages.

In between the officiousness, a game of rugby broke out. No9 Matawalu almost scored a stunning 50m try, only to drop the ball on the line in the act of scoring. England's No11 Jonny May entertained with his slipperiness. The England pack's defending was impressive.

Fiji, though, with elements of the big crowd beginning to chant for them, refused to give up. The constant stoppages after the break probably helped them, although England didn't help themselves with an inability to spot space when it was available.

Nadolo's charges became more damaging but the pack in red regained the advantage; one scrum in their own territory marching Fiji back and earning a penalty. Mike Brown scored his second try for England with genuine pace and strength, but Veldsman's decision to award a bonus-point try to replacement Billy Vunipula on the stroke of fulltime brought back those memories of the first half.

England 35 (George Ford 2 pens, con; Owen Farrell pen, 2 cons; Mike Brown 2 tries, Billy Vunipula try, penalty try)
Fiji 11 (Nemani Nadolo pen, try; Ben Volavola pen)


Link to article for match stats

HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
18 Sept 2015, 23:34
#2
18 Sept 2015, 23:34#2
 Peyper got carried away by the occassion. He settled down after England was assured a handy lead and a sure advantage.

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
18 Sept 2015, 23:35
#3
18 Sept 2015, 23:35#3
Doesn't sound like the start we were all looking for. Well the Poms won so congrats to them. If this article is correct we are witnessing the power of home field advantage.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
18 Sept 2015, 23:52
#4
18 Sept 2015, 23:52#4
 related article
Same assessment as the article above.
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
19 Sept 2015, 01:15
#5
19 Sept 2015, 01:15#5
 Unfortunately, a great occasion was tainted by the overbearing influence of the television match official.
AJ
Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
19 Sept 2015, 06:46
#6
19 Sept 2015, 06:46#6
 Agreed....what about the commentators calling for yellow cards.
AJ
Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
19 Sept 2015, 06:46
#7
19 Sept 2015, 06:46#7
 Agreed....what about the commentators calling for yellow cards.
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
19 Sept 2015, 07:59
#8
19 Sept 2015, 07:59#8
 
I expected a better showing from Fiji.

They don't seem to know the laws that well.

Either way, it's not what I expected. To be thumped like that surprised me.

Hope they do a little better in their next match.


HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
19 Sept 2015, 08:57
#9
19 Sept 2015, 08:57#9
 Will Jaco & Co be reffing their next game?
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
19 Sept 2015, 09:54
#10
19 Sept 2015, 09:54#10
 
It's against the Wallabies ... so I'm afraid that you'll probably be sulking thereafter too.

You better start working on an excuse for your next loss now!! .

WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
19 Sept 2015, 11:22
#11
19 Sept 2015, 11:22#11
 This constant stopping to go over every bit of minutia will be welcomed by all the NH teams who will enjoy a nice rest in between strolling from set-piece to set-piece as is their favoured method of play .Meanwhile SH teams and fans will be sitting around fuming as their game turns into some sort of NFL clone with plenty of ad breaks .
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
19 Sept 2015, 13:21
#12
19 Sept 2015, 13:21#12
I recall reading countless arguments for the TMO to be more involved in recent years. I can remember arguments for each and every try to be refered, for the TMO to be able to over rule the ref and make decisions, to the TMO having the powers to make a ruling after a yellow card there and then instead of having a citing commissioner and a citing commission, for blah di blah di blah. Fact is that a lot of what we have witnessed last night was because of the constant moaning and b i t c h i n g of "expert fans". 
Before the start of the tournament they always have a meeting and it is decided what should be concentrated on and why. A lot of those comes from complains from various sources.
Many times we just get what we ask for. I have always been for the basic rule that the referee is the sole decision maker and that the rest, including the TMO, is there to assist the referee to enable him to make qualified decisions. Looks like I have been correct. Let the ref do his job and crucify him when he makes the balls-ups and crucify the rest of them when they give him crap assistance.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Sept 2015, 13:45
#13
19 Sept 2015, 13:45#13
 Is it in the laws of the game that the ref can reverse a awarded try after viewing something on the bigscreen? In the end it was the right decision, but it just doesn't gel well for me.
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
19 Sept 2015, 13:55
#14
19 Sept 2015, 13:55#14
 I am not sure, Draad. IIRC it is not covered  at all. We have to remember that the laws are written to cover any game of rugby played anywhere. From the fields of Putfontein Laerskool for the U/8s to the opening game of the RWC at Twickenham to the final of the RWC at Twickenham. 
Note to self........ Have a look at the laws for this one. 
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Sept 2015, 14:05
#15
19 Sept 2015, 14:05#15
 Well, obviously "bigscreen" or TV won't be in the laws. The only reason for retracting any decision would be if one of the 2 assistants saw something to invalidate the decision and informs the referee. He was actually reacting to the crowds reaction and then went to the TMO. Poor show.
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
19 Sept 2015, 15:20
#16
19 Sept 2015, 15:20#16
 
Personally I thought the try should have been awarded.

It looked as if the ball went straight down ... in the end it wasn't given and that spoilt the match for me.

Either way, the result stands ...
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