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Matt Toomua expected to get the nod at No.10 ahead of Quade Cooper for Bledisloe opener

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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
14 Aug 2013, 10:01
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14 Aug 2013, 10:01#1
Matt Toomua expected to get the nod at No.10 ahead of Quade Cooper for Bledisloe opener EWEN McKenzie is set to make a shock selection in his first Test by handing Brumbies rookie Matt Toomua a Test debut in the Wallabies No.10 jersey against the All Blacks on Saturday.  

 

 

 

Keen to use the element of surprise against New Zealand, the Daily Telegraph understands McKenzie has overlooked Queensland Reds playmaker Quade Cooper for a comeback, the scenario most predicted based on their provincial history.

 

 

 

Instead the new coach has plumped for Toomua, 23, whose impressive form this year helped the Brumbies to the Super Rugby final two weeks ago. Cooper is likely to be injected into the game from the bench and James O’Connor, who filled the five-eighth’s role against the Lions, is set to be moved back to the wing.

 

The opening Bledisloe Cup clash at ANZ Stadium will be Toomua’s first taste of Test football, after injury last season robbed him of a probable call-up and ex-coach Robbie Deans ignored his claims for the Wallabies’ squad against the Lions.

 

Toomua displayed his capacity to shine in big games, in any case, when he guided the Brumbies to an historic victory over the midweek Lions in Canberra.  His defensive prowess, particularly, stood out in that game and charging, hard hits were a feature of his strong Super Rugby form as well.

 

McKenzie’s selection will likely see the young playmakers of the Super Rugby final – Toomua and Chiefs star Aaron Cruden – matched up again, and that defensive starch is no doubt an asset that appeals to the new Wallabies coach.

 

Cruden is the man tipped to wear the All Blacks No.10 after Dan Carter was ruled out with a calf injury on Tuesday. Toomua belted Cruden with a trademark shooter in the final, and his defensive pressure has the ability to not only rattle Cruden, but contain hard-running No.12 Ma’a Nonu as well.

 

It could also throw All Black planning to target Cooper out the window.

 

 

 

Toomua is no greenhorn at the professional level, having accrued 37 Super Rugby caps since debuting as an 18-year-old in 2008.

 

His Brumbies mentor Stephen Larkham said earlier this year Toomua should have worn the Wallaby No.10 against the Lions.

 

"Defensively he is outstanding, his attack is coming on and his kicking has certainly improved, and he is understanding the game way better," Larkham said.

 

"He has definitely got that ability to rise to the next level. Having a look at him two years ago to now, it’s chalk and cheese. He has got smarts, control, and understanding."

 

Toomua said last week he would love to play against the All Blacks:  "They’re the best team in the world at the moment. You kind of what to pit yourself against that. It would be really cool playing against them."

 

McKenzie has gone to great lengths to keep his first team under wraps, restricting media access to training and giving little away in public discussions.

 

 

 

Centre Adam Ashley-Cooper, who is expected to retain his No.13 jersey, said players were still shifting around in training. The unknown factor of McKenzie’s first team is hoped to work in their favour against the All Blacks.

 

"Delaying the selection, which they probably will too, doesn't give them too much certainty and gives us that little element of unpredictability," Ashley-Cooper said.

 

"We haven't had much time together and we are going up against the number one team in the world first up so maybe that competition (for spots) will prove the turning point.

 

"I feel off the back of Super 15 campaigns this year, we have had some success there in terms of a lot of individuals growing as footballers. The squad we have here is really exciting. I am really liking the look of the new faces that have been included, and over the last couple of weeks at training there is a real buzz and a real excitement."

 

The Wallabies under McKenzie would look to use plenty of width in their game, said Ashley-Cooper.

 

"We have more working on creating a lot more opportunities. Depending on who we got with, you can just expect a more expansive game, but with us making good decisions," he said.

 

"With the distributors we've got in the team, Matt Toomua, Bernard Foley, Quade Cooper, James O'Connor, the likes of those guys can play with an expansive game. We have a lot of quality out wide and it would be rude not to use it."

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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
14 Aug 2013, 10:04
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14 Aug 2013, 10:04#2

im still not buying it, IMO cooper will be the 10 and if not i will have to see it before i believe it,
i think that not picking cooper would be the smartest move ive ever seen ewan 'choclatebar killer' macenzie make, but i just dont buy it.

if winning is really what macenzie wants, the smart money would be for him to trust in the man he says is the best flyhalf in australia, the man hes trusted with everything (except his laptop) during his reds tenure.
toomua and foley are all excellent ball distributors as is cooper when hes not playing like kak they way he does 75% of the time, but coopers got the all the experience in test rugby and its not just the lions share, hes got it all.

but then again, All Blacks have really exposed cooper in his last outing, and the crusaders reduced him to a passing and kicking machine in the qualifying finals, so not playing him is like said, smart move if its true.

but any comments that mackenzie makes about anything will forever be met with whatever, during the lions series he was quoted many times saying cooper should be in hes the best in the country, and now that the wallabies are playing for a trophy they havent held in over a decade, the so called australias best 10 might not be playing, tsk tsk tsk.

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
14 Aug 2013, 10:10
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14 Aug 2013, 10:10#3

 I have selected O'Connor at fly half. Odd that he is available in FF in this position but this is how he is listed. I may reconsider now. I like O'Connor for points but Toomua may be better. I will check it out.

SP
SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
14 Aug 2013, 10:17
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14 Aug 2013, 10:17#4

FFS he won't be squaring up against Cruden but Nonu.  The power center job is to get over the gain line by attacking the 10 channel as most tens are weak at tackling

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
14 Aug 2013, 11:37
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14 Aug 2013, 11:37#5

@mr win,

thats not a bad line of thinking, im leaning towards morne, i think his boot will get some nice easy points and this is the Boks best chance to put on their best score of the season.

@spoony,
valid point, but IMO the 12s main job is to ensure momentum going forward or clean fast ball for the rest of the backs and or create an overlap, something he can do by targeting a run for inside the channel between the 12 & 13 and either try to beat his marker, or draw his marker in and get an offload or quick ball away to supporting players or draw in the 13 so that he can get the ball away for an overlap.

SP
SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
14 Aug 2013, 11:41
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14 Aug 2013, 11:41#6

 Sasuke have you heard about the drift defense employed in a hybrid version by most teams?

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redsmanPro1,710 posts
14 Aug 2013, 15:46
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14 Aug 2013, 15:46#7

 Think what you like but I've been calling this all week. QC off bench OR 15.... Either way horses for courses and toomua be better against New Zealand in defense and kicking game a lot stronger too..... Love to see the kiwis getting caught up in links mind games eitherway.....

SP
SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
14 Aug 2013, 22:01
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14 Aug 2013, 22:01#8

I would prefer Giteau at 10, Digby at 13, AAC adapater @15v a, Hooper at 12, Higgonbottom at 14 Mowen at 5 and Folau at 11

 

Regards

Heynecke Meyer

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redsmanPro1,710 posts
15 Aug 2013, 00:56
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15 Aug 2013, 00:56#9

Lol spooney -  funny thing most could play in those positions if fit and available.... Hooper be great 12 but apparently spent time there in club rugby and found it too boring.... Not enough action for him.... By the way next time you see hooper up close check out the 'crazy eyes'

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SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
15 Aug 2013, 02:59
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15 Aug 2013, 02:59#10

I am sorry but Aussies don't scare me Red. Trying being colored and walking in a town like Ventersdorp. Now that will scare the shit out of anyone

WG
What's going on?Club Pro237 posts
15 Aug 2013, 03:35
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15 Aug 2013, 03:35#11

Funny as . After publicly criticizing Robbie Deans for not using Quade Cooper,  McKenzie does'nt look like he wants to either.

And i reckon  he's too embarrassed to name his team as he will look like a complete hypocrite.

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redsmanPro1,710 posts
15 Aug 2013, 04:10
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15 Aug 2013, 04:10#12
Likely Wallabies team 1. James Slipper 2. Stephen Moore 3. Ben Alexander 4. Rob Simmons 5. James Horwill © 6. Hugh McMeniman 7. Michael Hooper 8. Ben Mowen 9. Will Genia 10. Matt Toomua* 11. James O’Connor 12. Christian Lealiifano 13. Adam Ashley-Cooper 14. Israel Folau 15. Jesse Mogg Res: Saia Faingaa, Scott Sio, Sekope Kepu, Scott Fardy, Liam Gill, Nic White, Quade Cooper, Tevita Kuridrani.
WG
What's going on?Club Pro237 posts
15 Aug 2013, 04:25
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15 Aug 2013, 04:25#13

Why not start with Cooper Red?  All that whining about Deans and now you have to admit he was right.

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redsmanPro1,710 posts
15 Aug 2013, 04:46
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15 Aug 2013, 04:46#14
Link probably will start with QC v Saffas & Argies - QC just doesn't cope real well with the unprecedented hate campaign that the kiwi population have waged against him for playing for the country he feels most indebted to - considering his Australian upbringing and education.... Anyway Toomua will handle the defensive duties better and will SMASH cruden.... cant wait..... Plus if Aussies down with 20 to go QC off the bench can spark stuff from anywhere as the kiwi sXV have repeatedly experienced...
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
15 Aug 2013, 09:45
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15 Aug 2013, 09:45#15

Mind games as usual,

Here is Hansen putting pressure on McKenzie, lol  

Poor ol' burger master McKenzie can't make up his mind or doesn't have the confidence to name his starting 10.

The Oz backline Hansen mentions in this article is  pretty damn good though. This will be the best game of the weekend IMO. Sorry Bok & Arg fans, no contest, lol

 Hansen fires warning shot at McKenzie

TOBY ROBSON

All Blacks coach Steve Hansen has fired a shot across Australian opposite Ewen McKenzie's bow.

Hansen said today that he believed his Wallabies counterpart was racked with uncertainty over whether to play Quade Cooper or Matt Toomua at first five-eighth.

Asked if he felt mentally challenged by the intense secrecy that has surrounded Australia's line-up for Saturday's Bledisloe Cup match in Sydney, Hansen said: "No. The better question would be is he [McKenzie] feeling a bit mentally challenged because he doesn't know which five-eighth he wants to play?

"He's in a difficult situation, isn't he. I'm imagining when [former coach] Robbie Deans wasn't picking Quade Cooper he was saying, 'I'll pick you, I'll pick you'.

Now our information is he's going to pick the other bloke [Toomua]. There are only two reasons he wouldn't want to tell them. "One, he's not sure himself, or two, he doesn't think they can cope with the pressure of being out there in the public too early.

"So it's not affecting us. It doesn't bother me a hoot who they play."

He believed Toomua would be at first-five and that his Brumbies team-mates, Christian Lealiifano and Tevita Kuridrani, would play outside him.

The All Blacks expect the Wallabies to mimic the Brumbies' rushing defensive screen in the backs in a bid to put them under pressure behind the advantage line.

But whatever combination McKenzie picks, Hansen made it clear the Wallabies would be under intense pressure because of the arrival of a new coach.

"I only have to think back myself to when I had my first test match as [All Blacks] coach," he said.

"Whether you want to admit it publicly, there is pressure because there's a question mark.

"Australia hasn't had a great run against us for a wee while now. That's all been attributed to Robbie Deans, which I think is a bit unfair.

"Everyone seems to think Ewen is going to make the difference, so there has to be pressure on him, because what happens if it doesn't work?

"There's a lot of pressure and that's why they will turn up and give it everything they've got. We need to match that intensity or better it."

Hansen said Wellington hooker Dane Coles' omission from the All Blacks squad was not a reflection of his scrummaging ability.

"Dane's problem is he hasn't played. He got injured just after the second test [against France] and hasn't played any rugby. He's done a lot of running," he said.

"The coaching staff, along with the wellbeing group, thought it would be better if he got 40 or 50 minutes tonight [for Wellington], then be available next week. That's the only reason he missed out."

Hansen said it was incorrect to say the selectors believed the new scrum rules being used during the Rugby Championship better suited older hookers Andrew Hore and Keven Mealamu.

"I don't think so. I just think they will reward people who can scrum. Colesy can scrum, so I'm reasonably happy with where he's at," he said.

"We just need to give him some game time and some confidence with his calf."

Hansen indicated Chiefs lock Brodie Retallick would have pushed hard for a starting berth had he not missed last Friday's training match, where the All Blacks got their first chance to trial the new scrum laws.

"That's part of the reason. We have three really good locks. We can only start with two of them," he said.

The Wallabies are expected to name their side today.

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