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McKenzie seeks turning point in Rosario to rally the troops (are they playing this weekend?)

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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
05 Oct 2013, 13:26
#1
05 Oct 2013, 13:26#1

Rosario: The Wallabies are a team in need of a Tucuman.

Not a shamanistic totem strung up in the team room, as a Tucuman might be mistaken for, but a game or a moment, a rallying call when 15 tired and battered men find themselves under the pump.

'This might be it, this might be the game, we might play really well in a very foreign, difficult environment and use it as a reference point in future,' Wallabies coach Ewen McKenzie says with irrepressible optimism of Sunday's Test against Argentina in Rosario.

'We did that in the [Rod] Macqueen era [when McKenzie was an assistant coach]. There was always a game you'd say, 'Well that was the game it came together' and you only had to say the name of the game to make something happen.'

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McKenzie still remembers his Tucuman - the first - 22 years later. It was the Waratahs' undefeated 1991 season, when the team toured Argentina. They played the country's top club side, from San Miguel de Tucuman, in in a blistering encounter that was finally settled with a draw.

'It was a ferocious game, here on their home patch, and they hadn't lost for years,' McKenzie recalls. 'We drew, but there were things that happened in that game … You only had to say the word and memories flooded back. We used the 'Tucuman' call after that.'

McKenzie's Wallabies need a few more wins to find their Tucuman. A one-point win in Perth three weeks ago was a show of grit but not the turning point they're searching for. The other four games since McKenzie replaced Robbie Deans as coach in July, all losses, threw up more questions than sign posts. It's one step forward, two back, then one frustrating shuffle to the side.

'You have to know what winning looks like,' McKenzie says. 'It doesn't matter if it was Randwick in the old days or Toulouse or the All Blacks, their mindset is that they have to win. They don't entertain the idea of coming second, and from that, everyone's empowered.

'That's the thing that's been the biggest challenge. You can talk and cajole but they have to get it, know what it looks like. They have to feel it first.'

The new Wallabies coach is pondering the bigger picture in downtown Rosario. It is not the one he expected.

'To be honest, I didn't come in thinking it was going be like this at all. I came in with high expectations,' he says. 'That's all very well when you're looking in from outside, but you get in here and you find what you find.'

Australia's depth issues are well known, but McKenzie found himself losing players left, right and centre in the first few weeks: Tatafu Polota-Nau, Hugh McMeniman, Wycliff Palu, Nick Cummins, Jesse Mogg and most recently, for entirely different reasons, James O'Connor.

At the same time, he decided to eschew the experience of some Test players in favour of blooding a new generation. It was a tough ask, and before long Sitaleki Timani was brought in before Benn Robinson was invited to tour for the final two Tests.

'If anything, we were guilty of backing some young blood there and expecting guys with no caps to come on and finish a game against the All Blacks. That was a little bit ambitious,' he says.

'But, by the same token, I still think we've identified really good players for the next few years. We could have just sat down and run what was there [after the British and Irish Lions series], but there's no point.

'I've been employed to try to take things forward. In an ideal world, you go forwards to go forwards but in the end sometimes it doesn't happen the way you want.'

No it doesn't. There is no escaping the fact that for a long time under Deans, McKenzie was the popular alternative choice and he was happy to be cast in that role. After signalling his intention to leave the Reds and aim for a Test coaching job, he gave a number of interviews in which he said he had a few ideas about how to beat the All Blacks.

Which is not to say he doesn't. But the Wallabies first two attempts this year were huge disappointments, heightened by the hope and confidence that McKenzie's bullishness had inspired in the hearts of Australian rugby fans.

He won't apologise for that, mostly because he still believes it can be done by this group.

'I thought by now we'd have the Bledisloe Cup, and I'm always going to think like that,' he says.

'People say I'm a pessimist but I'm optimistic. When I came in and looked at the players we've got, I knew we didn't have experience in a lot of positions but I still think we've got good players, so I'll never concede defeat on that. I've just got to find a way to overcome their lack of experience but then use their enthusiasm.'

McKenzie won't concede defeat on running rugby, either. Despite consecutive drubbings at the hands of the All Blacks, threats of 'dumbing down' the Wallabies' game plan and enough unforced errors to make a first XV coach cry, he is sticking fast to the fundamentals.

'We'll keep running the ball and invest in that,' he says. 'We still want to out-work our opponents and out-manoeuvre them, we're not moving away from that at all. It's the 20 per cent where you work out which bit of the field you're going to do that in, and we've adjusted that a little bit.' 

Beyond the details, the day-to-day minutiae that fills a coach and a team's life together, lies the Wallabies' Tucuman.

The second half against South Africa in Cape Town last week offered a glimmer of hope in the midst of as ugly a start to a season as the Wallabies have had in recent times.

And while the rest of Australia might readily swap a third Bledisloe Test for a good lie down at this point, McKenzie sees another chance to chase that defining moment.

'We've had 10 or 11 years of mixed footy, where we've had good results here and there and we've had things we wish didn't happen,' he says.

'We've had a month and a half [together] and it's not great and I'm not enjoying it at all. But I am very confident that we'll get an outcome, because I'm a fixer. I'll find 

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
05 Oct 2013, 13:28
#2
05 Oct 2013, 13:28#2
Just goes to show how big the Ellis Park game is, we have hardly had one post on the Oz v Argies game. 
For  me it is like a non-event. Still I hope Oz starts getting its act together.
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
05 Oct 2013, 14:39
#3
05 Oct 2013, 14:39#3

 "For  me it is like a non-event."

 

 

Mate I think you've spoken for everyone, not a single post on that game....bloody amazing. I too hope the Wallabies come good sooner rather than later, thought they had a good second half against the Boks and actually looked good going forward with ball in hand. Their major problem is the lack of experienced players and if there's one player that would make a difference it's the piss pot, Beale. I don't believe they lack talent or skills, McKenzie's coaching will be put to the test, JW would have had them onsong by now.

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
05 Oct 2013, 14:51
#4
05 Oct 2013, 14:51#4
Beale & o'connor 2 of the. 3 amigos are out of the national team. Cooper should get the message loud & clear - shape up or your out!If they can get these 3 talented but behaviorally challenged players back that will help. The pack is a problem but just prior to the RWC oz was a great side. If they can get a few of their injured players back & fix a few other things they should be a decent team.I think the Boks are well ahead of oz & have a firm grip on the number 2 ranking. No 1 is well out of their reach though 
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
05 Oct 2013, 14:59
#5
05 Oct 2013, 14:59#5
 I'm not sure where the Boks are placed at the moment, todays game will give us a good read. Question that I need answered is whether Oz were plain hopeless or whether the Boks were so much better. The old adage of only being as good as the opposition allows you to be comes to the fore, hence the reason I believe todays game will confirm just where the Boks are placed.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
05 Oct 2013, 15:13
#6
05 Oct 2013, 15:13#6
 Denny: Boks are no. 2 in the world rankings. ABs no. 1 & even if we loose this test we will still retain no 1 ranking as we are so far ahead.To me there are questions about both Boks & ABs. Boks are still developing a more total game while retaining their persona of trying to do this from forward dominance. ABs can win with different strengths. Sometimes living off turnover ball & not relying so much on set piece. But if we can't get turnover ball & if we have a hard time getting scrum ball will the line ball & mistakes of the Boks be enough?Should be a great game!
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
05 Oct 2013, 15:49
#7
05 Oct 2013, 15:49#7

 Well I hope it's a great game, it's had one helluva buildup on and off this Forum so it would be disapponting if it's not. I'd scream blue murder if that prick in the middle starts his shit and spoils it as a spectacle. If he had any sense he'd put aside the pedantic blow.

 

I believe your guys over the years have built their game around turnover ball at the breakdown, if your dominance continues today then I'd expect you'd win, so to me it's going to be the most interesting part of the game. Scrumwise under the new laws is another point of interest and I'd expect some fierce competion for dominance, as for our strong point the rolling maul, it's going to be interesting as to what strategy the AB's adopt to minimise it'e effect, the lineouts, once upon a time an AB weakness, not anymore, I'm expect it to be par for the cause. Your backs are more cohesive and skillful as a unit than ours which leaves us with the kicking game.......I'm not sure how that will go so I'm fencesitting. As for defence, I rate your team a little better than ours, so too your attack. Your cover defence is exceptionally good and the Boks will struggle to break it down. Above all the Ellis Park crowd won't be subdued and if they get to your blokes then it's roll over red rover.

 

Enjoy the game.

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
05 Oct 2013, 16:03
#8
05 Oct 2013, 16:03#8
You to Denny! 
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