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Meyer brings in Juan Smith

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bluebokPro3,977 posts
06 Aug 2014, 15:22
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06 Aug 2014, 15:22#1

Ex from SArugby.com Home page


Experienced international forward Juan Smith has been drafted into the Springboks' squad preparing for Rugby Championship.

Smith is a Rugby World Cup winner in 2007 who has 69 Test caps to his name. He will join the squad in Johannesburg as replacement following confirmation that Victor Matfield will miss the opening Test of the Rugby Championship next Saturday in Pretoria against Argentina.

"Our need at this stage is to draft in a player who can cover lock and loose forward, and we feel Juan is the right man for the job," said Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer.

"He has played lock before in his career and won an Under-21 World Cup in that position, but he also covers flank and number eight.

"I spoke to him on various occasions and he's comfortable with playing in the second row again if the need arises. 

"However, as a number of our loose forwards have had a very high work load this season, it's good to have someone such as Juan who can also provide cover in those positions.

"Furthermore he is a brilliant exponent in the line-outs and will bring experience and leadership to the squad. 

"We wanted to involve him in June as I really want to work with him, but he was not 100% fit and asked not to be considered.

"Juan has been in sublime form and recently won the very tough French Top 14 league and the Heineken Cup with Toulon. 

"I've always held him in very high esteem and I know he will add value to our squad."

Smith will join the Springboks in Johannesburg on Thursday.

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bluebokPro3,977 posts
06 Aug 2014, 15:26
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06 Aug 2014, 15:26#2
Another player I have huge respect for, but FFS, there are dinosaur fossils that haven't been around as long! 
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
06 Aug 2014, 15:35
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06 Aug 2014, 15:35#3
If . . . and unfortunately it's a big "if" . . . Juan Smith is still the player he was four years ago then this is great news!

I was a big fan of Juan Smith back then . . . hope he's not going to go the same route as Bakkies, Matfield and John Smit and play a season or two too many.
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JeromeVClub Pro492 posts
06 Aug 2014, 16:11
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06 Aug 2014, 16:11#4
 Juan Smith is a decent replacement with experience but his form is nowhere close to what it use to be. Should rather be looking at the superior loose forwards that were on form in the Super 15. Meyer said Juan has played lock before and is comfortable in that position, having said that he could start ahead of De Jager or Lewies. That would be unfortunate because those talented young locks need to be developed.
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Gonzo the GreatClub Pro560 posts
06 Aug 2014, 17:37
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06 Aug 2014, 17:37#5
 juan is better than alberts kolisi and the rest. lets face it he is like carter, just too good for the next in line to better. lood is damn good but meyerr is covering his bases and lewis is just a sad joke. even Peter steph is a joke.
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
06 Aug 2014, 18:05
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06 Aug 2014, 18:05#6

JeromeV

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Posts: 222 RE: Meyer brings in Juan Smith
August 06, 2014, 14:11:07  Juan Smith is a decent replacement with experience but his form is nowhere close to what it use to be. Should rather be looking at the superior loose forwards that were on form in the Super 15. Meyer said Juan has played lock before and is comfortable in that position, having said that he could start ahead of De Jager or Lewies. That could be unfortunate because those young locks need to be developed.



Have you watched Juan Smith play over the last season? There is nothing that Meyer said that suggest that Juan Smith would/could start ahead of De Jager and/or Lewies. He has said that he has played there before. You guys are reading stuff that is not there. Whenever a coach introduces a player or re-introduce one, he always mentions all the qualities that he brings to the squad as a whole. How often have you heard a coach saying, for instance, :"He is a flyhalf but he has played fullback before and can easily slot in at fullback, should the need arise"? When people talk about Habana in a team set-up and what he brings to the table, we are often reminded that he can play both left and right wing and that he has played outside centre. Hell, some people even remembers that he started out as a scrumhalf. It even shows on field. How many times have we not seen him clear out at a ruck pretty damn efficiently.



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JeromeVClub Pro492 posts
06 Aug 2014, 18:38
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06 Aug 2014, 18:38#7

Ceradyne
Hello, I did watch the majority of Juan's matches in the Toulon team and there are some fundamental aspects that Juan is good at, I don't rate him a bad player but I do think there are other loose forwards that were ahead of him in terms of being on form, for instance Warren Whitely and Nizaam Carr. Juan Smith has been vastly overrated in the past also.

I am aware that Meyer didn't suggest Juan would start ahead of De Jager nor did I say he did. I know that there could be possibility based on what he said that's why I said he could. You are being misleading towards my post. What a imbecile character you are.  

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
06 Aug 2014, 18:50
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06 Aug 2014, 18:50#8
 I cannot quite agree. It took him a few weeks to get settled and become one of the key players in that Toulon side and that was after a lay-off and rehab of (what was it?) two years+? There is no way that we would know for sure that Whitely and Carr were better, or worse, than him. Ou Maaikie seems to crap in his best dress when I say it, and for some reason I get the feeling that you might have the same tendencies about it, but we cannot get away from the fact that Meyer is at this stage probably a bit concerned about the lack of proven leadership at test level within the team. Whitely would, IMO, have ticked that box but he hasn't even been near a Bok team yet. The right time for him, I think, would be the EOYT.

You said:"......having said that he could start ahead of De Jager or Lewies. That could be unfortunate because those young locks need to be developed".

That, to me, look like a strong suggestion that it could well happen, in your opinion. You are the one who made remarks that were misleading.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Aug 2014, 18:55
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06 Aug 2014, 18:55#9

Rooinek on Juan smith:

 

" 7 Jean Deysel (I don't mind PdV retaining Juan smith, but I'd rather have Deysel)"

 

Also in this team you had this classic:

 

" 10 Ruan Pienaar (I'd have no problem with Peter Grant or Earl Rose)."

 

That's the AAs' idea of being a big fan of Juan Smith.

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Gonzo the GreatClub Pro560 posts
06 Aug 2014, 19:04
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06 Aug 2014, 19:04#10
 earl rose? ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
06 Aug 2014, 19:47
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06 Aug 2014, 19:47#11
 Pienaar did better at 10 than some of the others we had since 2007, but Morne was and still is better. Lambie and Goosen has not yet convinced for the Boks and Marnitz did not get a proper chance yet. I'm still hopefull that he might be the one to make the 10 spot his post Morne.
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
06 Aug 2014, 19:52
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06 Aug 2014, 19:52#12
 Peter Grant or Earl Rose....?

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
06 Aug 2014, 19:57
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06 Aug 2014, 19:57#13
 Grant had his moment's but then you would have had to have a 15 who could kick more than 40m.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Aug 2014, 20:10
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06 Aug 2014, 20:10#14

Here's another Rooinek classic

 

"There's a quote from Albert Camus that goes something like this: 'Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat history's failures'. That saying goes through my head every time I read one of these retards beating his chest and grunting about how much were going to beat the Lions by."

 

Forget the atrocious grammar in the last sentence. Forget the smarmy prediction we wouldn't beat the Lions and the usual  sarcastic aggression. Camus never originated that thought, Santayana did:

 

 

"Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it."

 

The quote is most likely due to George Santayana, and in its original form it read, ‘Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.'

 

Talk about being a snob, but looking like an illiterate.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
06 Aug 2014, 20:34
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06 Aug 2014, 20:34#15
 Moz, you lost me at the start already. I'm not nearly as well read as I would like to be. Rooinek has got a smooth mouth on him, but he also blunders from time to time.  No shame in that, but for the hell of it I can't understand why it is so important to posters to be right all the time. Why can't everyone just get along? :-) (Jack Nicholson in "Mars Attacks") 
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
06 Aug 2014, 22:30
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06 Aug 2014, 22:30#16
LMAO! Looks like I've upset the spiteful and childish old fop to the extent that he's going through all his archives of Rooinek posts that he collects and then pasting them . . . after changing a few names here and there!
Pfffffffffffffffffhahahahahahaha!
Talk about obsessed! Talk about pathetic!
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Aug 2014, 23:23
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06 Aug 2014, 23:23#17
Draad I can actually find a Camus quote which covers your objection: 
"The need to be right is the sign of a vulgar mind" 
But what better way to deal with a vulgar mind like that of RooiAAS than to prove him wrong time and again. 
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