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Meyers Boks after number 1 spot

Started by Beeno115 REPLIES444 VIEWS· 26 Nov 2013, 00:13
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Nov 2013, 00:13
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26 Nov 2013, 00:13#1

Ex Rugby Mag


Heyneke Meyer believes the Springboks will become the best team on the planet if the five Super Rugby franchises work harder towards a common goal, reports JON CARDINELLI in Paris. (Are the best but will be even more so would be better)

Meyer called an informal media gathering on Sunday following the big win against France at the Stade de France. The result marked the Boks' third win on their overseas tour and their 10th victory in 2013.

However, as Meyer was at pains to stress, the job is not even close to being done. The Boks want to become the best team in the world, and they want to win the World Cup in 2015.

Meyer said he was pleased to have won all three matches played in the northern hemisphere and feels this bodes well for a World Cup staged in similar conditions. The Boks' two losses in 2013 came against the All Blacks, and Meyer admitted that the next task is to win a New Zealand scalp in 2014.

But ultimately, the Boks are not just looking to catch up to All Blacks, but surpass them. And to do that, their preparation at national and Super Rugby levels is going to have to be more closely aligned.

'It would be a mistake to prepare for the All Blacks,' Meyer said. 'Then you're always going to be a follower. We have to look at where rugby is going in the long term and where we want to be, not just in the next two years, but in the next 10.'

Meyer acknowledged that the All Blacks are 'playing awesome rugby at the moment' (verty diplomatic Meyer!), but feels this is because the New Zealand system allows them to do so. South Africa doesn't boast the same central contracting system that prescribes the careful management of 150 players. Meyer has no say whether his elite players feature in every single Super Rugby match year-in, year-out.

WORKING TOGETHER

Meyer believes that the relationship between the Boks and the five franchises has improved over the past 12 months. Meyer visited all of the franchises ahead of the 2013 Super Rugby tournament, outlining his aims and goals for the coming season. Nearly 12 months on, the Bok coach admits that while progress has been made, it's still not nearly enough.

'In 2009, when the Boks beat the All Blacks three times in a row, the New Zealand coaches came together and decided that they needed to improve their kicking game,' said Meyer. 'There was a drive to improve an aspect of the game for the benefit of the national team. That's how we need to be working together.'

As a former coach of the Bulls, Meyer is mindful of the challenges facing the Super Rugby mentors. Every one of them is under pressure to produce results for their respective franchise rather than the Boks. In a sense, the system doesn't really allow for the coaches to give Meyer everything he needs.

Meyer knows that this will never be the case, but does hope that more compromises can be reached in future.

The real concern at present is the conditioning of the South African players, and how they are prepared to peak in the Super Rugby play-offs rather than at the business end of the Rugby Championship. This was evident in the recent tournament when the All Blacks outlasted the Boks in a high-tempo spectacle that was decided only in the final quarter.

The Bok coach wants to ensure South Africa gets this right sooner rather than later. Meyer said the aim was to put a structure in place that will make it possible for the Boks to not only compete with the All Blacks, but dominate world rugby for years to come.(As its only right they should. This being number 2 to the wee abs is total nonsense)

He will visit the South African franchises in early 2014 and also start working closer with the SA U20 side to improve relations between the junior and senior national sides. Meyer added that if the right system is implemented, the Super Rugby teams should also reap the benefits.

Again this shows just how well Meyer has identified key issues. Its tome  for the Boks to resume their rule of world rugby - sorry kiwis but you have been there only by default.


JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
26 Nov 2013, 00:21
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26 Nov 2013, 00:21#2
Beeno: too late  mate, our next 14 game winning (not whining - that's your role) str eak is assured, lol http://www.sarugby.com/forum.cfm?threadid=7353
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moolaaPro2,380 posts
26 Nov 2013, 07:17
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26 Nov 2013, 07:17#3
Hasbeeno, we've only been the best by "default" for 100 years! 
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Nov 2013, 09:37
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26 Nov 2013, 09:37#4
 moooooo - la we were the worlds best team team before isolation and were ahead of the abs so we were defintely better than them.   Please moooo - la don't over do showing your ignorance it's really not necessary.
So what it all means is we are simply reverting to the normal order of things - the wee abs providing the platform to showcase Bok greatness. 
Just get used to the idea kiwi bird brains

Thanks
Beeno letting the kiwi bird brains down gently.
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moolaaPro2,380 posts
26 Nov 2013, 12:49
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26 Nov 2013, 12:49#5
 Wrong again Hasbeeno....you really have foot in mouth disease!Up to the end of 1981 (pre-isolation) the respective records were:
ABs Played 196      Won    135  Winning 68.88% of testsBoks Played 161       Won    102 Winning 63.36% of tests
So once again you are talking through your arse Hasbeeno and your record includes 2 "tests" against South America (whoever they were!). I'll bet had the Boks lost these 2 games, they mysteriously wouldn't feature in your very average stats!
Moolaa once again proving Hasbeeno to be an utter fraud and confidence trickster!
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Nov 2013, 16:28
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26 Nov 2013, 16:28#6

The only way we can begin to beat the AB's on a regular basis is by ditching this idea of investing in washed up hasbeens like Steenkamp, Pienaar, Bakkies and Fourie and showing limitless blind faith in the bog ordinary pivot named Morne.

 

 

We are establishing a dominant pack by discarding the physical weak links like Jandre Kruger, Pat Cilliers and Franco v/d Merwe.........but the biggest issue is we lack attacking clout from 9 to 13. This is frustrating considering we have the players to change that........Hougaard, v/Zyl, Reinach, Goosen, Lambie, Serfontein, de Allende and JJ. Add Jean and du Preez for experience and the fact that they have had a good year.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Nov 2013, 19:22
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26 Nov 2013, 19:22#7
Ho hum snapster. Watch the master builder Meyer sort it. By now you should realise Meyer has a master plan and we will soon be one in the world.
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
26 Nov 2013, 19:35
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26 Nov 2013, 19:35#8
   don't worry your little head Beeno! We've got this - the Number 1 Spot is in safe hands 
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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
26 Nov 2013, 19:49
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26 Nov 2013, 19:49#9
getting rid of deadbeats isnt enough, try playing a season with fixtures not full of opponets like scotland x 2, itlay, samoa and while it was a set fixture, the pumas name on the Boks win credit reel dosent help much either>

heres another way of looking at it

in 2013 Boks vs (starting with the latest)
france ranked 5th
scotland ranked 9th
wales ranked 6th
All Blacks No1
wallys ranked 4th
All Blacks No1
wallys ranked 4th
pumas ranked 10th
pumas ranked 10th
samoa ranked 7th
scotland ranked 11th
italy ranked 13th

50% of the Boks opponents in 2013 at the time they played them were not even ranked in the top 8 countries around the world

66% were not even ranked in the top 4.

if ur ever gonna want to seriously challenge the All Blacks, start playing teams who can regularly challenge u.
its not enough toi just stop meyers absurd Bok selections.

the thing is, some saffas here are chest beating about their puny 80% plus season, look at the Boks spoon fed weak opponents and realise the context paints a picture, a picture of nothing but defeat at the hands of the All Blacks anywhere and anytime.

ur never gonna stop the animal at the top of the rugby food chain known as the All Blacks on a diet of minnows,
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
28 Nov 2013, 02:05
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28 Nov 2013, 02:05#10
 SANZAR may have its internal disagreements, but the mutual benefits are enormous. Australia and New Zealand get the physical examination supplied by the South Africans, and they in turn get regular reminders that brute force is not quite enough. They all suffer if Super Rugby is not right.
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njRookie31 posts
29 Nov 2013, 05:24
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29 Nov 2013, 05:24#11
Sas you idiot, exactly the same can be said of your fixtures for this year! You played the same teams we did in the RC, had lowly ranked France (your words) over for a kiss and a rub, beat the mighty Japan ranked 14th (slow clap), and we all know what almost happened on Sunday against the Paddies, ranked 7th. England are back in 4th where they belong and only briefly enjoyed the rarified air of the top 3 courtesy of the wobble by the Wobblies.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Nov 2013, 08:26
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29 Nov 2013, 08:26#12

 I think the best summing up on this case was given by nukefreekiwi under another threat and I a quoting it under this one as well:-


" I can't believe some of you chops feel more optimistic about the Boks with the return of players who were rightfully put out to pasture.  The outlook for AB rugby looks promising as long as HM continues to reanimate Bokke hasbeens.  At the current rate, HMs RWC 2015 team will be an older, fatter and slower rehashed version of his 2010 Bulls team.  I'm not sure that the ABs can win the next RWC but one thing I am absolutely positive about is that the Boks won't win if they continue on this path of contracting retired and infirm players."


I seriously believe that the failed players of 2010-11 cannot be the core of the team for 2015 - if they are we are in serious trouble.   They were not good enough in those two years - what will make them good enough 4 years later when they are older, slower and less effective than they were in those two years?   Going the way we are going players under 30 years of age will be a rarity in the Springbok team and if we thought the 2011 WC squad was a team if hasbeens the 2015 team will be their seniors by years.


We have bee n unable to beat the AB's for 4 years now - what makes you think we can beat them with a squad of players that in the main was unsuccessful previously?   And to beat them is a requirement for the no 1 spot.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
29 Nov 2013, 10:50
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29 Nov 2013, 10:50#13
 Moooooo la our win record against the abs pre isolation was in our favour. How in the world can you say you were better than us. Please wake up to reality.
Always also remeber that we were hated because of apartheid and never got a fair deal ref wise. Something that continues to this day.

Be advised we will be working to reverse the post isolation debacle.Boks traditional rulers of world rugby. Abs mere pretenders/usurpers
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
29 Nov 2013, 11:08
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29 Nov 2013, 11:08#14
 ou maaikie wake up please. Look beyond the score board - we have had the better of the abs in 3 of the last 4 tests!!REMEMBER HOW MEYER LIFTED THE BULLE OUT OF THE DOLDRUMS over a period of some 5 years I think it was?
I explained to you when Meyer took over as Bok coach that he is a builder. Only the daftest of hatters  and delusional kiwi bird brains  cant see the trendline.
Beeno's monumental efforts to expla in matters continues.



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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Nov 2013, 14:09
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29 Nov 2013, 14:09#15

Beeno


Bar a collection of gibberish there is really no explanation given.  I asked a straightforward question - and got no sensible answer.


We came close to beating the AB's in 2 tests and the answer is then - why did we not win?  The answer really is simple.  We were let down in the Dunedin test by Morne Steyn and his rubbish kicking at goal.    In the Ellis Park test - whose defence let us down?  T he answer is simple - Morne Steyn, Willem Sloth Alberts and JJ Engelbrecht.   Morne also buggered up by not kicking the ball out of touch from inside his own 22 and passing the balls seconds before the halftime siren had to go.


If you keep those players in the squad we are dead in future as well.

      


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moolaaPro2,380 posts
30 Nov 2013, 01:20
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30 Nov 2013, 01:20#16
Hasbeeno, you said you were the "World's best team pre-isolation" but I've already proved your winning % was inferior to the ABs so wrong again!The downward spiral for the Boks coincided with the introduction of neutral refs......funny that!! 
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