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Mighty Stormers embark on the tour from hell

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
03 Mar 2014, 08:38
#1
03 Mar 2014, 08:38#1

Yes and without the worlds best lock available either. Now you tell me how desparate are the down under oaks trying to keep the Mighty Stormers down!!

Ex Super Sport


It has been described as the tour from hell and also as Mission Impossible, but the toughness of the four match trip that the DHL Stormers embarked upon with their departure from Cape Town on Sunday could just work for them.(IE oaks this diabolical plan might just backfire!!)

The 19-18 win over the Hurricanes at Newlands this past Friday wasn’t enough to turn around the negativity that swamped Cape rugby after the shock defeat to the Lions in the opening game the week before, and which has arguably been around since the Currie Cup final last October.

It was a stuttering, bumbling display from a team that looked like it wasn’t quite sure what game it should be playing, and far from being the rousing response that the Stormers were hoping for, they were lucky to win against a Hurricanes team that itself is no great shakes. (NOT IF MY GOO FRIEND OU BRYCY IS TO BE BELEIVED!!)


However, the Stormers have been in a situation before where they have started the season with criticism raining on them, and have then turned it around by winning a game they weren’t expected to (uNLIKE THE BLUE CLAVES THE mIGHTY sTORMERS TAKE ON THE CHALLEMGE OF TOURING WITH GUSTO!!!)


The occasion in question was in the 2011 season, when a couple of narrow scrapes at home left Newlands underwhelmed, only for a comprehensive win over the Vodacom Bulls at Loftus, the first time a victory had been scored at that venue in ages, to change the sentiment.

On Friday they play a Crusaders team that may have been rendered vulnerable by the injury that has ruled Richie McCaw out of rugby for eight weeks  (STRENGTHENS THE WEE CRUSTIES IN MY VIEW), but which nonetheless will start as overwhelming favourites given the poor record of South African teams in Christchurch.


Although a tough assignment for his team, Stormers skipper Jean de Villiers seems to think it may work for his men, and he may be right in hinting that being cast into the role of underdogs could be just what his side need. In both matches they have played so far the Stormers started as favourites.

“Look, going to Christchurch to play against the Crusaders is really tough, as you can note by the fact that no South African team has won there in ages,” said De Villiers after the Hurricanes game.(YES TE REFS ONE ENCOUNTERS DOWN UNDER ARE AS BENT AS THEY COME!!! JEAN OF COURSE CANT SAY THAT)

“But that also means it is a great challenge for us. If we win there we would have achieved something special.”

Indeed, and there could be no better way for the Stormers to turn around their season. It will be a massive ask, but both De Villiers and coach Allister Coetzee think the lateness of the converted try that won the match against the Hurricanes may be a good sign and work for them.

“I see things and glimpses of three or four years ago where we scraped out wins, we started winning narrowly and then we started to get confidence and momentum from that,” said Coetzee.

The coach was in fact referring to 2011, the year of that Bulls victory, but he could also have been referring to 2012, when the Stormers topped the log.


What he neglected to say though is that the Stormers appear to have lost their unwavering faith and clarity in the game-plan that saw them to the play-offs in those seasons. On Friday night’s evidence, with the team at times looking as if they thought they were on Camps Bay beach playing touch rugby, they may have bowed to media and public pressure by moving too far away from the template that made them challengers.


That is what separates this team from the 2012 one that travelled from Cape Town straight after a bruising derby against the Bulls and beat a strong Highlanders team in Dunedin in the deep south of New Zealand seven days later. The Stormers players don’t all look like they are on the same page, and whatever the intention is with their game-plan, they need to start looking more coherent and together than they did against the Hurricanes or the Crusaders will thump them.

Perhaps, as De Villiers says, the win will bring the confidence that was missing in Cape Town three days ago, and everything will slot into place.

“This one point win was huge for us, it doesn’t matter how we got it,” said De Villiers.

It may not matter how they got it, but if they are to beat Crusaders they do need to know how they are going to go about doing it. This past Friday there wasn’t too much evidence of that so it is a tall order that awaits the Stormers over the next four weeks.


Given the unlevel playing fields it' s a tall order. Go Mighty Stormers beat the opposition and the refs! You need to be about 30 points better to win!!! Bwahahahaahhaha
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
03 Mar 2014, 08:47
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03 Mar 2014, 08:47#2
  "It was a stuttering, bumbling display from a team that looked like it wasn’t quite sure what game it should be playing, and far from being the rousing response that the Stormers were hoping for, they were lucky to win ..."
Yup, that about sums it up, lol

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
03 Mar 2014, 08:52
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03 Mar 2014, 08:52#3
 Yes JW we were below our best for sure but how bad were the gentle breezers.  Also realise JW we bungled numerous scoring chances. So it wasnt as bad as the scoreline suggets.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
03 Mar 2014, 08:58
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03 Mar 2014, 08:58#4
Beating the Hurricanes by 1 point on your home pitch. Surely you have nothing to worry about on this tour? We will welcome you to NZ with open arms!
3K
3ku1Pro2,580 posts
03 Mar 2014, 09:21
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03 Mar 2014, 09:21#5
 i havent been on this site long, but some posts come across very centric, one eyed, and biast. Like consistently implying the refs are the reason nz teams always win. Or reffing favors NZ teams, like the wc semi that most SA's just cant move on from, the boks had several oppurtunities to win the game, oh but i see one bad call from the ref is the only reason boks lost, how convinient lol. Some bloggers seem to ignore facts just to reinforce their so called views. Hurricanes dominated that much, stormers were very very very lucky, tbh if saders dnt beat the hackless stormers by 20 points, theyre in trouble.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Mar 2014, 09:33
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03 Mar 2014, 09:33#6

 3Ku1


Dear friend - this is the type of hogwash to expect from Beeno.   The Stormers was poor in both games played - very, very poor - but Beeno will write praising love songs about them like it is unbelievable.  


If there are two teams who was poor this far in the competition it is the Crusaders and the Stormers.   They are up against each other this weekend - so we will see what they produce.   I expect the Crusaders to win at home  if they produce a half-decent performance this coming weekend.  


Both teams have had ball handling problems thus far and both has been totally unconvincing  in most departments of the game.  With tongue in cheek - I am saying that the Crusaders should not select McCaw ahead of Todd - the latter was outstanding against the Stormers last year.         

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Sun-TzuClub Pro713 posts
03 Mar 2014, 13:33
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03 Mar 2014, 13:33#7
The question is this: Have the opposition come to terms with the Stormer's defensive systems? Since last year it just didn't seem quite so imposing to me. That being their key strength, I think it could turn this tour into a nightmare.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Mar 2014, 14:01
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03 Mar 2014, 14:01#8

Sun Tzu


There were really three weak links in the Stormers defence, namely -


*   De Villiers   -   2 missed tackles;

*   De Allende  -   2 missed tackles;

*   Catrakills    -   2 missed tackles; and

*   Schteuder   -   1 missed tackle


It is a problem when centers missed tackles and especially De Villiers were poor on Saturday.   The misses of De Allende can be attributed to the very high number of tackles he made and his missed tackle ratio was consequently low and at an acceptable level.


I would not attribute it at all to a drop in defensive standards as compared to last year.   De Jongh routinely missed between 2 and 3 missed tackles a game. He played in 8 games missing 20 tackles so you can work it out for yourself.   Jantjies and Van Aswegen was atrocious defence wise.   Pietersen at full back also had a high missed tackle ratio.   So there is no chance that the defence deteriorated.  Bar De Villiers, it looked slightly better than it was last year      


   

ST
Sun-TzuClub Pro713 posts
03 Mar 2014, 14:05
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03 Mar 2014, 14:05#9
 You really don't understand what I'm talking about Michael. Not a jot.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Mar 2014, 14:29
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03 Mar 2014, 14:29#10

Sun Tzu 


If you actually include the defensive sieve in evidence last year between De Jongh, Aplon and Pietersen last year as being on the downside - I agree with you about the defence issue.    If you refer to a deterioration since last year - you are in fact talking crap.


Last year was the bottom of the pile insofar as defence was concerned - it showed some signs of improvement on Saturday insofar as the wings, and the full back is concerned and I think it would have been better - but for De Villiers having had a bad say at the office. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Mar 2014, 14:29
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03 Mar 2014, 14:29#11

Du plication

ST
Sun-TzuClub Pro713 posts
03 Mar 2014, 14:36
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03 Mar 2014, 14:36#12
 Do you know what a defensive system is? Do you know how that may affect statistical data? Do you now how to interpret any of this? Stop thinking in such simple terms.
MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
03 Mar 2014, 15:34
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03 Mar 2014, 15:34#13
IMO stormers hall mark defence which has made them titans the last few years has been figured out by the opposition.
stormers inability to evolve their game plan now sees them well and trully stuck in a rut.

stormers were always the worst attacking team in the comp, and now that their defensive structures pose no threat in 2014, they are up poo creek without a paddle.

on the bright side, crusaders are in a similar position, their shuffle to the left and shuffle to the right attack can be easily negated as the chiefs and blues have proven this year.

crusaders should be easy favourites, but i wouldnt be surprised if the stormers pulled one out of the bag and scrapped through with a win.
ST
Sun-TzuClub Pro713 posts
03 Mar 2014, 15:38
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03 Mar 2014, 15:38#14
That's what I am saying Sasuke. In my opinion it's not coincidental that so many players are all of a sudden not making that impact defensively. It's far more than a case of an individual stuffing up, particularly so many players with a track record of being very solid tacklers. If their defence has been sussed out then Coetzee has an impossible task on this away tour. What rotten luck to lay these sides in succession at this point in time.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Mar 2014, 17:26
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03 Mar 2014, 17:26#15

Sun Tzu


A sound defensive system is wonderful - but it still depends on the defenders making their tackles.   I do not think there is much wrong with the defensive system as a whole other than the opposing teams finding some counter-measures.


What is basically wrong is that some players do not meet their obligations in implementation and that weakens the system.   The center with the worst record in defence last year was De Jongh and no system can overcome  serious defence deficiencies of individual players.


If the players do not meet the requirements - bi system will work and last year it did not work properly not because the system us at fault or becoming ineffective - or that the opposing  teams cope better with it - but because the defence deficiencies of individual players made it ineffective. 


Comprehende?  

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Mar 2014, 17:26
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03 Mar 2014, 17:26#16

Duplic ation


OI
oimateyPro1,870 posts
03 Mar 2014, 17:59
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03 Mar 2014, 17:59#17
Article is spot on - a confused gameplan is counter-productive. The change in approach has been detrimental. Go back to what has worked so well in the past, especially with a clutch kicker like Catrakilis. The playoff wins will come. Stormers would have made the playoffs last year as well if not torpedoed in the early games by Silky Earl. Coetzee is soon to find out that the public displeasure at losing games is far greater than issues they may have with the style of play.

Get Fourie on the field for the full 80, sort out the lineout and you'll be halfway there.

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
03 Mar 2014, 20:16
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03 Mar 2014, 20:16#18
So much twaddle to deal with here. What has happened oaks is that opposing sides are using chip kicks etc to get in behind the defence. This si the spect that has to be countered
When Etzebeth gets back lineout problems are over. Even Steenkamp being back will help. What hatters refuse to take note of was the many scoring chances that were fluffed. The hapless gentle breezers had a a scoreline against them that flattered them.
Get a dominant pack going. Start with Liebenberg. Have a loose trio of Fourie, Duanne and Rhodes at 7. Start with Groom and Grant. 
There was noithing wrong with the game plan. For petes sake there was a fair amount of initiative that only just failed to bear fuit. Stormers MUST try and play a more balanced game - this they did against the gentle breesers but a few mistakes cost them dearly.
Beeno bringing some much much needed clarity!!
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
03 Mar 2014, 20:19
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03 Mar 2014, 20:19#19
Deon Fourie was the standout last weekend. It should be a given that he starts at openside flank for the Stormers. Kolisi and Schalk will have to fight it out for a starting position in the number7 position.
Fourie really needs to be on the Springbok bench or even starting in the number 6 position. 
He competes very well and the breakdown and is also good in the loose. He is to small for a hooker and his lineout throwing is average. Scaru also had a very good game last week and easily better than any of the New Zealand hookers. 
3K
3ku1Pro2,580 posts
04 Mar 2014, 00:38
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04 Mar 2014, 00:38#20
 ^Please lol, loving the fish bowl perspective of some bloggers here. Sure SA have some great hookers, but i dont kno who scaru is, but really vague just to say "Easily better then any of the nz hookers". Care to elobarate, far as i can tell all the players currently are of equal quality, and in terms of form no player is currently standing out other then Folau, but when it comes to forwards no ones standing out, everyones as good as each other, the role of a hooker aint that diverse. Besides one hooker from NZ has stood out more then any sa hooker, Liam Coltman from the highlanders hes been very good.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
04 Mar 2014, 00:58
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04 Mar 2014, 00:58#21
3ku1 the best 2 hookers in the world at the moment are 1. Bismaark 2. Strauss and no sane person would debate otherwise. 
Sean Fitzpatrick said on Sky Sports during the  2013 ABS vs Boks game in NewZealand, that Bismaark is another level above international level and he was like watching a man play rugby against boys.
I disagree about players being of equal quality. The Chiefs for example do not have their first choice forward pack and it will certainly prevent them performing to the best of their ability, however their backline is better than most or all other teams in the tournament so they will still win all or nearly all of their games. 
Look at the Lions backline, their is no way that shambles is equal to most other teams in the tournament. 


NU
nukefreekiwiClub Pro441 posts
04 Mar 2014, 01:31
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04 Mar 2014, 01:31#22
 NZ are in the midst of a hooker drought. Hansen has tried to address this issue with  camps specifically designed to identify and up skill the current crop of NZ hookers. With Mealamu and Hore moving on, NZ are desperate to find competent replacements. Dane Coles is a work in progress and he is still a significantly weaker player compared with Bismarck and Strauss. I know Coles was instrumental in the ABs Houdini-esque performance against Ireland but he is no Strauss and he is definitely no Bismarck.  Its really not even up  for debate. Strauss and Bizzy are the best hookers in the world by a country mile and NZ have a lot of catching up to do. 

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