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Miracle Return to the Boks for Smith?

Started by 3ku117 REPLIES374 VIEWS· 23 Jul 2014, 04:36
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23 Jul 2014, 04:36
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23 Jul 2014, 04:36#1

Juan Smith is set to complete an extraordinary return to Test rugby after being named in South Africa's squad for a training camp in August, according to Toulon.

Toulon have announced that Smith, along with Bakkies Botha and Bryan Habana, have been selected to attend a South African training camp in August.

Smith, who won the Heineken Cup and Top 14 titles with Toulon last season, has been rejuvenated in France after taking an indefinite break from the sport back in 2012 due to a persistent battle with an Achilles injury.

The flanker/number eight had four surgeries to correct the problem but was forced to retire in February 2013 after struggling in his comeback match for the Cheetahs.

But, Smith signed with Toulon in September last year to great surprise and has been in outstanding form for the French and European champions.

Smith is the latest of a number of former Springboks to return to form and action ahead of next year's Rugby World Cup, following the lead of Victor Matfield and Schalk Burger

http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,16024_9390929,00.html

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23 Jul 2014, 04:37
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23 Jul 2014, 04:37#2
 Now this is what is best for business
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23 Jul 2014, 08:38
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23 Jul 2014, 08:38#3
Dear Juan,
We are very pleased to hear that you are in great shape & we are looking forward to seeing you on the Bok team. Well done mate, keep up the good work! Your mates Victor & Bakkies will be waiting for you. 
See if you can convince your grandfather's mate Stephanus Sebastian Viviers join the team. He was captain of the 1956 Springboks & a great full-back & center. He would fit right in
"Sincerely" yours, JW

Mole-Hunter extraordinaireKiwi supporter fan clubABs: RWC Champions & owners of all rugby silverware
PS: please confirm the identity of this chap
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23 Jul 2014, 08:55
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23 Jul 2014, 08:55#4

 Bok team for RC?

 

1. Guthrow Steenkamp 2. Bismark 3. Jannie Du Pleesi 4. Bakkies Botha 5. Victor Matfeild 6. Franccois Louwe 7. Marcell Coetzee 8. Vermuluen 9. Peinaar 10. M Steyn 11. Habana 12. JDV 13. Fourie 14. JP Peterson 15. Le Roux

 

Now that is one heck of a team haha, of course I am being diengenious.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Jul 2014, 10:26
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23 Jul 2014, 10:26#5
 kul
That is Mozart's dream team - the BS of the century.  If that team is ever used - I will support NZ in every match they play against the Springboks - it represents rugby suicide on a massive scale.  Reason - it should teach Meyer a lesson about why 6 of the  key players should not be anywhere near the Springbok side.  
The AB's should beat that lot by 30 points at least.
By the way - Juan Smith is playing CLUB rugby - h looked good in the final in the Heineken Cup - but what does that mean?  Playing against a host of geriatrics and the South African Saracens - there were 8 ex-SA players in their squad -  made up to substantial extent of players who would never make the Springbok team  - anyone would look good.  
Th way to be selected for the Springboks is to play for Clubs in Europe and Japan and then claim you are a must for the Springbok team - what a hoax!!!
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23 Jul 2014, 12:19
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23 Jul 2014, 12:19#6
 Mole-Hunter extraordinaireKiwi supporter fan clubABs: RWC Champions & owners of all rugby silverware
PS: please confirm the identity of this chap
Pure disinformation JW. Its apprentice mole hunter about to be fired for flights of fantasy. Secondly, = JW 

Not oner of silver ware but burg lars of silver ware.
So much to correct in so brief  set of statements!

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23 Jul 2014, 12:20
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23 Jul 2014, 12:20#7
 "By the way - Juan Smith is playing CLUB rugby - h looked good in the final in the Heineken Cup - but what does that mean?  Playing against a host of geriatrics and the South African Saracens - there were 8 ex-SA players in their squad -  made up to substantial extent of players who would never make the Springbok team  - anyone would look good."

Fucking liar. There were actually 6 SA players, and don't even try to come with your normal "typo" excuse because this is not the first time that I had to correct you on that one. Apart from that, five of the six players have already played for the Springboks but the ould never make a Springbok team? Gaan praat jou kak op 'n ander plek.

  1. Bakkies Botha. CC Champ, S14 Champ, TN Champ, Top14 Champ, HC Champ. 79 Bok Caps already, and counting, but he would never made a Springbok team?
  2. Brian Habana. CC Champ, S14 Champ, TN Champ, Top14 Champ, HC Champ. 97 Bok Caps already, and counting, but he would never made a Springbok team?
  3. Danie Rossouw. CC Champ, S14 Champ, TN Champ, Top14 Champ, HC Champ, Top League Champ. 62 Bok Caps already but he would never made a Springbok team?
  4. Michael Claassens. CC Champ, Amlin Cup Champ. 8 Bok Caps already, and counting, but he would never made a Springbok team?
  5. Juan Smith. CC Champ, TN Champ, Top14 Champ, HC Champ. 69 Bok Caps already, and counting(?), but he would never made a Springbok team?
  6. Craig Burden. CC Champ.


Of course ou SuperPoeth will now start explaining that he actually meant6o say this, that and the other.


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23 Jul 2014, 12:31
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23 Jul 2014, 12:31#8
 Not oner of silver ware but burlars of silver ware.
I have often checked on ou Beenbal's" linguistic creations". In this case I found that the closest that I could get to "burlars" is the Spanish verb "burlar", which means "to avoid" or to dodge or to mock someone.

Avoid [a person] be seen or found by someone who watches or dogs, or avoid a problem or something that is compromising ingeniously.
Dodge [bullfighter] the bull's charge.
Making fun of a person or thing maliciously, especially to bring it into ridicule, underlining or exaggerating any unusual or negative aspect that characterizes it, or taking advantage of the good faith of someone.

"los ladrones consiguieron burlar a la policía; logró burlar la vigilancia de los periodistas introduciéndose en un coche con cristales oscuros; la prensa subraya que las promesas electorales han sido burladas una vez más; únicamente el teatro de humor pudo salvarse, a costa de burlar con ingenio a la censura ."

"thieves managed to outwit the police, managed to escape the vigilance of journalists introduced in a car with tinted windows, the press emphasizes that election promises have been flouted once again, only the theater mood was saved at the expense of circumventing wit to censorship. "


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23 Jul 2014, 12:36
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23 Jul 2014, 12:36#9
 Doffies
Do not get childish again - nitwit.  I am still being very kind to you.   Was writing about Saracens - not Toulon - if you could read - idiot.
And who are the players in Toulon's team you quoted above - should eb in teh Springbok squad?   Bryan Habana is the only candidate.   All your BS about the others are just BS.   
Bakkies Botha made a hash of his oportunities and showed enar to zero when he was given 3 chances.  When he was subbed in the Welsh test - Lood de Jager showed him up badly.   Too old to be up to the present game situation.
Danie Rossouw - Fat and slow and way past his best - aready announced his retirement from the game.
Michael Claassen - never a Springbok candidate - you flipping idiot.
Craig Burden - was given some chances and failed badly.
Juan Smith 0 will he fail like Bakkies did - 90% certain he will.
Now lets get back to reality - I was tempted to add the second part of your real designation to the above - but as I said I am kind to you thus far.  So start reading and understanding rugby issues - not the flipping rubbish you come up with regularly.  Behave yourself or the full designation you so richly deserve will return.    


      
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23 Jul 2014, 13:21
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23 Jul 2014, 13:21#10
 Hi there cerudunce windpomp. I see you are getting particular about my leaving out the "g" in burglar.Well how about your "but the ould never"  ORhe actually meant6o say this, that and the other.



Habana is still a potential Bok, but the others are doubtful.
Danie Rosouw  has far too much competition. Michael Classens has b no chance of a call up. 
Cerudunce windpomp please let go of the past and step into 2014.

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23 Jul 2014, 14:03
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23 Jul 2014, 14:03#11

Beeno: in the interest of transparency I made sure my letter to Juan was put on this forum (it is important to maintain ethical standards )

 

I notice in your reaction that you have attempted to denigrate my "extraordinary” mole detection abilities & thus divert discussion away from the serious rugby topic of Juan’s imminent return to Bok rugby (along with your mate Vic & the exceptional Bakkies) all acquisitions that kiwi fans applaud).

Incidentally I proved conclusively that Daffy is Devils Advocate, i.e. =

PS: if you see this chap please give him my regards. He was last seen polishing the AB silverware – it’s a full time job.

Your mate JW Mole-Hunter extraordinaire Kiwi supporter fan club ABs: RWC Champions & owners of all rugby silverware
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23 Jul 2014, 14:08
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23 Jul 2014, 14:08#12
 Juan Smith could be the missing piece to the puzzle. Nobody has really done much to replace him. Alberts looks a better lock in the Flip mould than a flank and has really been patchy. Some big hits, but he is too lethargic and slow. The other two are forming an effective partnership even if Louw is individually rather average, but Alberts is nowhere near as good as Juan. If Juan can come back at even 60-70% of his best he will jack up our loose trio to another level. Roughing it in France is a pretty grueling way to get back to your best after that injury, the mans a soldier of a player.
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23 Jul 2014, 14:26
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23 Jul 2014, 14:26#13
 Gonzo
I have no trouble with Juan Smith returning to the Springbok team if he is really up to standard.  The question is how can that be determined and in a weeks time Juan will be 33 - an age where it is rare that even the best players  can still play international rugby.  If it happens - it is basically backline players who survive and still perform at 33 - forwards always seems to be going downhill at that age.   To my mind he would be a bad investment at that age and he will have to be exceptional to make the grade 
That being said - I agree with you, we have a problem with Alberts at 7 - also an over 30 player who is doing less and less on the rugby field.   I thought Burger would be a potential candidate - but in the recent games he start to peter out and in the last Super 15 game he really looked tired and not the player eh used to be.  
I would rather see a player like Jacques Potgieter at 7 - despite all the writings on this site - I believe he has learnt some tricks of the trade in Australia that really added to his game over the past six months and to my mind he is a btter player now than he ever was before. 
.    .   
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23 Jul 2014, 14:32
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23 Jul 2014, 14:32#14
 "Do not get childish again - nitwit.  I am still being very kind to you.   Was writing about Saracens - not Toulon - if you could read - idiot."

Correct. My bad. Sorry .
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23 Jul 2014, 14:40
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23 Jul 2014, 14:40#15
 Mike, many players play well into their early 30s. You are really confused. I agree, if he can perform than great, that's basically what I said all along in my post. Potgieter has learned nothing new. He doesn't pass or run any better or defend any better. His brute force has given them a hard edge, that's it. He was their missing piece. Goodluck to him there but, we don't need him. And for slagging off guys like Meyer, stuff him. Juan is a living legend, Potgieter is just a plodder who went to the land of the munchkins and became their deity. The story of the small fish whale who went to live in a pond with the tadpoles.


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23 Jul 2014, 14:48
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23 Jul 2014, 14:48#16
 We do in any case have Schalk Burger around 2 years younger than Juan and who has always been a better player.
We have a number of guys. The 20 year old bulle youngster  Jaque Du Plessis -119 kg - is coming up fast. Labuschagne of the Cheetahs, Rhodes, Elstadt, Britz, Deysel. man we do not need a guy who by WC time will be close to 34!


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23 Jul 2014, 15:09
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23 Jul 2014, 15:09#17
 OK, Maaikie. Have it sunk in that I have admitted that I made a mistake?

If so. Can we now get back to your balls-ups as well?

Here goes.

Same quote:

 "By the way - Juan Smith is playing CLUB rugby - h looked good in the final in the Heineken Cup - but what does that mean?  Playing against a host of geriatrics and the South African Saracens - there were 8 ex-SA players in their squad -  made up to substantial extent of players who would never make the Springbok team  - anyone would look good."

First of all, your continued bullshit about the level of European club rugby proves that you are fucking stupid and you refuse to0 try and understand. The levels of rugby in SA just below the National side is:

Super Rugby
CC Rugby
Vodacom Cup rugby.

In Europe you have the national side, followed by the top tier club rugby, i.e. Top 14, PRO12, Aviva Premiership, etc. That is followed by second tier leagues and third tier leagues (which are normally semi-professional leagues). Thereafter comes the diferrent tiers of amateur leagues. That is the way it is and if you cannot understand that the Top14, Premiership, etc is at the same level as the S15, then you are stuffed and the argument becomes null and void. The jury is still out on which one is the toughest/strongest or what ever you want to call it and it will remain like that until we have a competition between NH clubs and SH franchises. It has only been tested once with the game between Sarracens and the Sharks and we know what happened.

Now on to your "little mishaps". There were not 8 SA players in the Saracens team. There were only three.

Allister Hargreaves, aged 28, is already a Springbok (4 caps) and would not let any Bok squad down right now.

Neil de Kock, who is already a Springbok with 10 caps.

Schalk Brits, who is already a Springbok and has been in the Bok squad as recently as

Now your reply about the players that I listed. Your remarks was, and I quote: "players who would never make the Springbok team. You have said that they would never make a Bok team, and I listed those who have already made it. If you meant that they would not make the Bok team right now, you should have said so.


Bakkies Botha made a hash of his oportunities and showed enar to zero when he was given 3 chances.  When he was subbed in the Welsh test - Lood de Jager showed him up badly.   Too old to be up to the present game situation.
Your own warped and biased opinion. I don't give a shit about it.

Danie Rossouw - Fat and slow and way past his best - aready announced his retirement from the game.
For sure he is past his best. I have never denied it but he was still good enough for Bernard Laporte to have him in his team for an important final and I trust that you would agree that Laporte knows a damn site more about rugby and rugby players than you. He has, after all, won a Top14 title and two HC titles

Michael Claassen - never a Springbok candidate - you flipping idiot.
He has played in eight test, jou dom poeth.
v Wales Millennium Stadium 6 Nov 2004v Scotland Murrayfield 27 Nov 2004v Argentina Buenos Aires 4 Dec 2004v Argentina Buenos Aires 5 Nov 2005v Wales Millennium Stadium 19 Nov 2005v France Stade de France 26 Nov 2005v Australia Sydney 7 Jul 2007v New Zealand Christchurch 14 Jul 2007
Craig Burden - was given some chances and failed badly. Your own biased fucked up opinion again.

Juan Smith 0 will he fail like Bakkies did - 90% certain he will. Ditto your Craig Burden opinion.

Behave yourself or the full designation you so richly deserve will return. Fuck off drol .




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23 Jul 2014, 15:10
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23 Jul 2014, 15:10#18
Another geriatric to join the circus - keep it coming clueless Meyer  
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