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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
30 Aug 2013, 09:36
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30 Aug 2013, 09:36#1

 2013-08-29 21:30 Sport 24

Johannesburg - Do the Springboks have enough belief to win both tests in Australasia?

The supersport.com website reports that former All Black and Golden Lions coach John Mitchell doesn’t think so, but also points out that the away leg of this year’s Rugby Championship is of massive importance to Heyneke Meyer’s team in the way they take their game forwards.

If the Boks can win both, Mitchell believes, then they will have set themselves on the perfect path to arrive at the Rugby World Cup strong and confident and would have made big strides forward in their game plan.

The Boks leave on Saturday for Brisbane, where they will face the Wallabies on September 7, and then move on to Auckland to take on World Champions New Zealand a week later at Eden Park. 

Despite poor win records at both venues and a poor performance in Mendoza by their own standards, there is hope the Boks will be able to bounce back and produce an inspired performance to give themselves a chance of winning this year’s Rugby Championship trophy.

But it won’t be easy. The first thing the Boks need is that belief, as Mitchell explains.

"I don’t know if there is enough belief at the moment in the Boks to win both. 

"If they win both then they are going to create the necessary belief to move forward," Mitchell said.

"That will also create a reverse psychology and those deposits will be huge against the All Blacks and Wallabies going forward.

"But I guess they don’t have those deposits just yet and that is why this particular trip is so important for the Boks. 

"They’ve got to earn those deposits to turn around the mental sphere and their outlook."

With a massive battle against the Wallabies looming, Mitchell believes the two areas which will be key will be defence and the breakdown, precisely the two areas that looked to be lacking at times in the win in Mendoza over Argentina.

"Clearly they have to get to their ball quickly and get past their ball, over the ball and secure the space against the Aussies, which they can do," Mitchell explained about the breakdown.

"Defensively they’re going to have work very hard because the Aussie backs will pick on weak defenders and move the ball laterally. 

"Defensively they’re going to have to be real good on the inside of their teammates.

"The Aussies would have noticed that and it will be interesting to see if they move the ball to that side more often or not. 

"Then the alertness of Willie le Roux, if he is selected, to track the attacker on his inside shoulder and use the touchline as his friend. 

"They will get in behind Basson for a bit of the time, based on his tendencies."

Mitchell believes it would be worthwhile for Heyneke Meyer to look at shifting his back three, and perhaps putting Willie le Roux on the wing, thereby making space for either Pat Lambie or Zane Kirchner at fullback.

"That is worth consideration. 

"You have to shore up the potential weaknesses and the area that has defensively got indecision about it or poor execution of tackle. 

"I think the Boks can win the aerial contest, and they are going to have to step up in terms of winning the breakdown area."

And at the breakdown, the very real threat of Michael Hooper stands out. 

While Australia were comprehensively beaten by the All Blacks in both their two outings in the Rugby Championship thus far, Hooper was a constant thorn in the All Black side.

"He is very good," Mitchell said of Hooper.

"They will have to get the ball away quickly from the body in terms of placement, and the Boks’ second arrivals will have to secure the ball first.

"The Boks are very threat focused as opposed to securing their ball first and winning the space. 

"They tend to chase the threat and that leaves an opening, and that is something the Aussies will enjoy."

As for the change in approach in the Australian style, Mitchell believes a quicker, more direct approach will be apparent by the Aussies.

"They will look to get quicker ball, they will probably bring a bit more support back inside the ball carrier. 

"They have the ability to arch out and come back straight and they will pick on some of the bigger Boks forwards in that kick-chase line. 

"He will be excited by that."

The Boks re-assemble on Thursday in Johannesburg and leave on Saturday evening for Brisbane.

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
30 Aug 2013, 09:41
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30 Aug 2013, 09:41#2

 Well, Mitchell does not think the Boks have enough belief to win both games in the upcoming tour but he has not written the Bok team off. Points to the speed of the game & some of the probs several of you have pointed out. Nothing new really but seems to confirm that Boks will have their problems.

KA
KalaedFreddieClub Pro495 posts
30 Aug 2013, 10:36
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30 Aug 2013, 10:36#3

Meyer's army!  Wrong soldiers for the fight.  Loosies are too slow - Flo is the faster one and even he is slow. Vermeulen is no more effective than Spies.  Willem is as effective as another prop.  Someone must put his stats here because I think he is slow and a crashballer at best.

This army needs quick soldiers who can snipe.  SA has many good loosies. Lappies, Viljoen, of Vreestate etc.

 

As long as we (Meyer) picks the wrong mix of players the springboks are doomed to fail.  Check the scrummy, my Lord Pienaar is altyd naar!  Useless slow and misses too many tackles.  Check the Argie try, how Pienaar's tackle (if you can call it that) is broken like a twig.

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
30 Aug 2013, 10:39
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30 Aug 2013, 10:39#4

 

It doesn't take a brain surgeon to know that the Bokke will leave Australasia without a win.

 

This will still not be enough to get rid of Meyer.

 

The Afrikaaners are supporting this chump big time .... especialy those around the Pretoria area .... buklls fans.

 

Meyer will be in charge till the next world cup .... of that I have no doubt.

 

 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Aug 2013, 11:18
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30 Aug 2013, 11:18#5
Gentlemen One of the main issues Mitchell has raised is the issue of breakdown ball recovery - in another thread started by Sharkbok. I asked specifically for Mozart to make an input - and to my horror discovered that Mozart is completely unaware of the difference between breakdown ball recovery and rucks. That is where he really showed some total ignorance on issues and he insists he is right and Mitchell and Tomas is totally wrong. Mozart is caught in a trap of general statements like "strong ball carries". "bone crushing tackles" and "massive counter-rucking" - of which there are virtually no proof in the performance of any of our present three loosies. He referred to the 2007 WC and make a rather dubious claim that our loosies then were even slower than the present three. However, where he also missed the point completely that laws were changed exactly to allow for a quicker game than was the case in 2007. I quoted Mozart as an example - but there is NBO DIFFERENCE between his thinking on the issue and the one of MEYER. The latter shout and scream about breakdown ball recovery - get a consultant in - and then nullify his whole effort by selecting players physically incapable of producing any results in the relevant regard. Thomas pointed out the requirement - Mitchell did the same - none of our New Zealand members actually support any of our present loosies and none of them will make the All Black or Wallaby teams for reasons obvious to experts. Meyer and his supporters are stuck on this one form of rugby that has been largely eliminated by most other teams during the past decade already and then we wonder about the results. Last year in the RC we won two tests - lost three tests and drew 1 - and all of those losses stemmed in the main for the real deficiencies in respect of breakdown play and quick ball recycling. As long as we are stuck in the present mould - there is only one way we can go and that is down the tube. My contention is Meyer must either adjust his thinking or go. I differ from what CleanCut says. If we flop in the upcoming tests and the reasons for the flops are the same as it was last year and still is - there will be more Mitchells and others that will start making the public aware of the deficiencies of Meyer and his outlook on the game. That could be his death knell as a coach. Lets hope Meyer realizes where his line of "pre-historic" thinking is wrong and he correct the issue soon - otherwise we are in for more and more embarrassments over the next two years.
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