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Mo'unga vs the Barrett boys

Started by Mozart14 REPLIES792 VIEWS· 29 Jul 2018, 16:16
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Jul 2018, 16:16
#1
29 Jul 2018, 16:16#1
A masterclass by Mo'unga set the tone for this game. He beat 11 defenders and was credited with a try assist, as well as scoring one himself. His sleight of hand, unlike Jantjies' seems to have an actual target....and is done at pace....too often Jantjies seems to stop the backline. The Barretts, apart from one searing run by Beauden were actually pretty poor...Jordie only made 9 of his 16 tackle attempts, and seemed pretty clueless. The NZ coaches have some hard decisions at 10 and 15.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Jul 2018, 17:22
#2
29 Jul 2018, 17:22#2

Mozart

I share your point of view here and think that Mo'unga is the best NZ flyhalf at present.   I do not rate Jordie Barrett and Beauden Barrett  was lucky to inherit the position when Carter retired from international rugby.   Cruden had some very poor games and ruled him out of contention with the result that only Barrett was available to take over.  I think the future is with Mo'umga        

BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
29 Jul 2018, 19:07
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29 Jul 2018, 19:07#3

...notsoclevermike...Cruden never lost a game he started at 10 for the ABs...so a 100% success rate does'nt suggest poor performances that you speak of...what happened was Cruden missed the plane to SA so was dumped because of that and we lost to SA as a result -  Cruden then was injured and that's when Barret took over and repeatedly won the World Rugby Men's player of rhe Year so became the NO1 preferred AB 10 on the back of that . 

I've always maintained BB is a better fullback than first five , awesome on cover defence but one dimensional on attack although a great opportunist ...Mo'unga is the future at 10 but Hansen won't change Barret unless he is injured...am hoping after the next RWC BBarret takes over from the retiring Ben Smith at fullback making way for Mo'unga...

BL
bluebokPro3,977 posts
30 Jul 2018, 12:03
#4
30 Jul 2018, 12:03#4

Can you imagine having Beauden Barrett as you second choice no.10? It is the little things that make me realise how big the gap is between the AB's and the rest. 

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,253 posts
30 Jul 2018, 12:54
#5
30 Jul 2018, 12:54#5
Mo'unga still has to prove he has what it takes at international level - which hopefully he will (or perhaps hopefully not for the Springboks...)
Barrett has weaknesses, but he is the best opportunist in broken play. He suits the Hurricanes style of play. Jordie looks good, but he seems slower than Beuden, albeit he has more physicality. 
Barrett does not lack a kicking game, so if things get tight in a world cup final he could get exposed here. 


BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
05 Aug 2018, 04:05
#6
05 Aug 2018, 04:05#6

...surely dopey Hansen can't ignore Richie Mo'unga now after another great Super Rugby season leading the Crusaders to succesive victories...surely it would'nt be too difficult to rotate players and give everyone a run now in preparation for next years RWC...


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WardadPro6,663 posts
05 Aug 2018, 06:29
#7
05 Aug 2018, 06:29#7

Brycy Mr Dopey Hansen will have his finger o the pulse so to speak .Richie to get a few games off the bench then a start against less tough opposition like maybe the Argies ?

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
05 Aug 2018, 10:16
#8
05 Aug 2018, 10:16#8
Barrett is the best player on the planet. I’d play Mo’unga and Barrett together. One at 10 the other at 12
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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
05 Aug 2018, 13:10
#9
05 Aug 2018, 13:10#9

What a choice Hansen has, two great players... we have depth on the wings also, plus the mid-field look pretty good. Barrett is the man for me and I would let Mo develop at test level over this next series. Hansen develops his players he doesn't throw them in the deep end.

BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
05 Aug 2018, 18:54
#10
05 Aug 2018, 18:54#10

 JW....and McKenzie has also shown how handy a backup 10 he can be in the June tests...the thing is our 10s are in huge demand in Europe and can command huge sums up north....so the temptation must be there to cash in if all these players aren't getting recognition /sufficient game time in the AB jersey.....so somehow Hansen needs to include all these players if he wants to keep them in NZ...a fine line to tread...

...same goes in the centres with great depth....Laumape all day over Jordie in my book but Jordie can play multiple positions as well as kick ...Crusader centres and SBW also holding Laumape back ....so would be sad to see someone of Laumape's immense talent going to Europe -  another balancing act for Hansen..

...we can't accomodate them all though and our wingers included with Savea and Tamanivalu now heading north...the temptation for players like Bridge, Lam, and NMS to cash in must also be there... After the next RWC there will be a further exodus......on the upside European rugby is becoming increasingly attractive to watch with every additional AB's inclusion

So the decisions Hansen is making now will have huge ramifications for the shape of the future team and the fate regarding the future careers of players... keeping in mind Hansen will be handing the reigns over to a new AB coach and most likely will no longer be involved after next year's RWC...

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,253 posts
05 Aug 2018, 19:49
#11
05 Aug 2018, 19:49#11
New Zealand has so much depth in the back line, perhaps more than ever. 
It is frustrating to think that some of them will be playing in Europe soon due to lack of game time....
It would be nice to see rich business people to buy some of the Southern Hemisphere clubs in the same way that the French clubs have been, to bring money into the tournament. 
Although this has drawbacks, as an idiot like the French Toulon owner could think of a team as his personal toy.



WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
06 Aug 2018, 07:31
#12
06 Aug 2018, 07:31#12

Mr Sharky these halfwits with money to burn are a blot on our game .for both SA and NZ .

So much talent wasted on the NH gits its sickening.

WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
06 Aug 2018, 07:32
#13
06 Aug 2018, 07:32#13

Saffex who would you play at 10 Richie or BB ?

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Aug 2018, 08:36
#14
06 Aug 2018, 08:36#14

Now I will make the NZ fans really unhappy.   I prefer Mo-anga over the Barretts - but all of them have a problem in defense - which they off-set by good all round play.    

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Aug 2018, 08:36
#15
06 Aug 2018, 08:36#15

Now I will make the NZ fans really unhappy.   I prefer Mo-anga over the Barretts - but all of them have a problem in defense - which they off-set by good all round play.    

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