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A few weeks ago, when Rassie Erasmus departed as director of rugby, many DHL Stormers supporters would have feared the worst, but those negative feelings don’t appear to have been shared by the coaches and players. On the day it was officially confirmed he would not be filling the Springbok coaching position many thought was his for the taking through much of last year, Stormers coach Allister Coetzee looked decidedly upbeat. And he looked that way for good reason. Although it is early days, and there is still a month before the proper season kicks off, so far the performance of the team has not shown any signs of being affected by the off-the-field shenanigans rumoured to be diverting the Western Province union behind the scenes. Coetzee is a good coach and while Erasmus was a strong member of the management and brought X-factor, the former Springbok assistant did go it alone for much of last year -- and with considerable success. Being the first winner of the South African conference in Super Rugby and ending second on the log when injuries forced you to use five different flyhalves is nothing to scoff at, and neither was the achievement in the Currie Cup, where injuries and World Cup call-ups meant the team that made the semifinals was essentially an under-21 team.(PLEASE NOTE JVR) Many of those youngsters are coming through now, and so are others who are the product of the succession planning that Erasmus was so good at. The 28-6 win over the Lions in the DHL Series game at Newlands on Friday saw some of those players shining, with flanker Siya Kolisi carrying on the promise showed in the last domestic season. Perhaps the one to watch out for though is No 4 lock Eben Etzebeth. Last year Rynhardt Elstadt, another youngster, bolted almost out of the blue -- he had been a blindside flanker for most of his earlier career -- to establish himself as an established and much feared second row partner for Andries Bekker who played the Bakkies Botha role in the Stormers engine room. After playing the first two warm-up games of 2012, and having added to his already considerable bulk in his off-season conditioning, recent age-group player Etzebeth looks like he can easily do this season what Elstadt did last year. Admittedly it was a scrumhalf on the receiving end, but the way he drove back Michael Bandiseo several metres was frightening to behold, and several other Lions players were on the receiving end during the match. Always careful not to build up players too much in front of a Cape media that he fears is too quick to make his team champions and his players Springboks, Coetzee was careful to choose his words when speaking about Etzebeth’s potential. “Look guys, Eben Etzebeth is not a Springbok yet, not by any stretch of the imagination, but boy, I have been really pleased with his progress and the contribution he has made in these pre-season games and he has incredible potential,” said Coetzee. “Last year we saw what impact Rynhardt (Elstadt) made at No 4 lock and now we have a player who can back him up. We have depth there, in a very important area, and that is pleasing to me.” It was too early to tell how much depth he has at flyhalf, which was where all the injuries happened last year, for Gary van Aswegen was playing his first game after a long injury layoff. He dropped a few balls and did not put his stamp on the match, but then he was also playing behind a scrum that was on the back foot for much of the night. Not that Coetzee or captain Schalk Burger were too concerned about the set-scrums, even though they were the Achilles heel last year and what saw them hit a dead-end in the semifinal against Crusaders. “There has been a change of emphasis in the engagement at the scrums as per directive from the Sanzar referees,” said Coetzee. “Instead of the engagement being initiated from the back, from the No 8, we have now been instructed that it has to be initiated by the front row. This is a big adjustment that has to be made and we were only informed about it today.” The Lions would have been pleased with their scrumming effort, nonetheless, and it partly off-set a horrible night at the lineouts, where the Stormers were dominant. “For us it was just important to get a hit out,” said their coach John Mitchell. “We didn’t expect to be where the Stormers are as they have played one more game than us. That said, I was disappointed with our attack and there is some work to be done there.” The Stormers play the Cheetahs in their next DHL Series game at Newlands on Saturday evening. This folks is the team Card says is on the wane! Sorry Card but you pulled a joker out of the pack!!! Hehhehehe. This Etzebeth - cant wait to see him in action this season. Over 120 kg and a tough nut. Man look at our potential pack of serious bruisers - the envy of all - Harris, Liebenberg, Malherbe, Eetzebeth, Bekker, Burger , Vermulen and Elstadt. No show ponies here folks. A 930 kg pack. We soften them up and then blow them away. Hope Alistair realises wha the has got here. I also want to cast an expert eye over Du Plessis who apparently was looking good at center. Beeno optimistic about another succesfull Stormers campaign. SA Conference trophy could well remain in Cape Town - the trophy that really separates the men from the boys in SA rugby!! .Mood improving at Stormers
Let me remind you what your team looked like that played the Lions.
15. Aplon (Bok)
14. JJ Engelbrecht
13. Fourie (Bok)
12. De Villiers (Bok)
11. Banana (Bok)
10. catrakilis
9. Groom
8. Koster
7. Kolisi (who was given concusion by Elton, probably two time smaller)
6. Burger (Bok) (got thumped by Hollenbach, a centre)
5. Steenkamp.
4. Fondse
3. Harris
2. Liebenberg
1. Kritzinger.
The only people you have got better players than is probably Steenkamp although Bekker will probably not play very long this season, and he'll be the next best thing.Look at the bench, and you had another 2 Boks in De Jong and Jantjes.
....and maybe Vermeulen and Flouw, which looks to have found greener pastures anyway.
BTW, I'm commenting on the part you highlighted with my name next to it.
The part about the CC Semi.
.......now!!
Tell me that is essentially a under 21 team?
Add in the bench a swell Jvr.
Plenty of youngsters and second stringers.
Prepared to be blown away when the two teams meet at full strenght!! Friday was a reality check for Lions. Hahahahahahahaha.
As you wish.....
Deon Fourie, Malherbe, Daniller, Pieter Louw, Schreuder, De Jong (Bok)' Jantjes (Bok)
Compared to the Lions:
Bezuidenhout, Adriaanse, Whiteley, Grobbelaar, James (Bok), Des Fountain, Kamana
Also remember that CJ, Maku and van Heerden was the only Boks in the starting team.
That gives WP 4 Boks in the backline alone. 7 in total.
Lions had4 in total.
Your "waterred down WP team" philosophy doesn't mean anything. Come on, just acknowledge when beaten Beens.
All this in a 3rd tier comp.
Really sad .
No need to be sad jvr there is always weer probeer or is there!!
Did you see the Stormers 930 kg pack posted? Now honestly what chance have the Lions got if we field that pack.
Do you think the Lions will survive the Southern Queens?
I really wish Duke was here to tell you that you have just been handed your arse, seeing that that you don't know.
You apparently cannot except fact as truth.
Bwahahahaha....!!!!!!
Jvr what are you on about?
Are you on about the writers comment about the under 21 side. Not my comment - where did I say it was an under 21 side. Aha!
Are you on about the Lions being shout out?
What - please clarify.
As for dorkie, well thankfully he is not here (uness he was rucking flanker?) - aaaaah the bliss!!! Long may it last! Fortunately bedpan seems to have buzzed off after making a complete twit of himself as well and ditto fireman (the rucking flanker according to Denny). Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Very nice and peaceful here - no vicious attacks on folk etc. Board is growing well and more to come - quite a transformation happening - the desert begining to bloom stuff. Nice open transparency, no secret rugby banter board outsiders can't see. All in the open etc. Completey different vibe.
I think dorkie, given his talents, is better off there.
Beeno, what did you ask me to "Please note JvR" in your article again?
Jvr I said note I didn't say believe. hahahahahahhaha - 24 point loss!!!
Look jvr there were injuries , there were Boks just coming back, and there was a very young half back pair.
The proof will be when these two teams meet at FULL strength in the Super 15.
Lets have no more about the Lions wining the Super 15!!! Try for a top 8 finish first. Walk before you run.
Beeno keeping it real.
Beeno, Please go easy on JVR, he's a nice fellow who seems a little bit over the top now that die Leewtjies have come out of the wilderness. That said, JVR mustn't forget that lovely little afrikaans saying "Ageteoss kom ook in die kraal"...it's so fitting of a team who for more than a decade embarrassed themselves by losing by cricket scores. The mighty Stormers of course never suffered such a long suffering indignity.
JVR mustn't think that I'm rubbing his nose in the dirt or anything to that effect but it's important for him to realise that if he's gonna load his gun and step into this arena then he must make sure that he's not using a popgun. I also note he's cry for support from a dubious corner....that brought on another chuckle.
But Beeno samblief, go easy on JVR, it's too early in the season to disillusion the poor fella. Everyone lives on hope.
" Stormers of course never suffered such a long suffering indignity."
Denny, please tell me how many championships the Stormers have won over the last ten years.
It would also really be interesting to know how many Super comps they have won.
I am not trying to be grootbek regarding the Lions,
I just gets pissed of when someone shoots down the Lions, while their own team hasn't even managed as much.
Jvr is an excellent guy Denny no disputing that. A fanatical Lions supporter frothing at the mouth if anyone suggests the Currie Cup is not as good as wining the SA Confenrece trophy where the SA sides are at full strength.
Jvr is also a baaie slim karel - witness the 24 loss bit. Hahahhahahahahaha real fancy foot work!
Moenie worrie nie Jvr the Lions could break into the top eight. Man if they are not fully motivated now they never will be - it might be their last season as the Lions!
I could ask the Stormers to ease up on the Lions to help thier log position but I am, as you know, a great Cheetahs supporter as well, so I doubt if I could manage it. Hehehehehehe
I think its time for some huge public protests re this Queens issue.
As for dorkie he would not be a help but a hinderance to anyone he supports!! End of story - as Saffex would say ever so politely!! Still remember the shock he got when he found out matfiled weighed 107 kg -the same weight as Juan Smith!! A classic! Hahahahahahahaha rugby boards can be great fun taken the right way.
Lions- last year CC champions.
WP/Stormers : last 10 years ; nada/nix/ boggerall!!!!
Please dont come and say being conference winners is a title. Schalk Burger himself, being interviewed before the friendly against boland said......." We've won nothing for a very long time"
Bwahahahaha


