. "More climate change crow for ab ASS to consume" was a case closed lol

Sorry Beeno something strange happened here...some twitter bug interrupted...could it have been the red (rooi) one...anyway it could have been sabotaged by some force unbeknown to us...a virus perhaps...at least it stopped the pagan unbelievers from sprouting more nonsense...lolz

 "The great "interlect and scientist" of Mutters Forum,Sader insinuates that only fools believe in God...lol"
I am offended I did not insinuate anything I stated it as a fact

 And supplying a list of people that were scientists and christians proves nothing,  most of these people if alive today with the scientific discoveries that have been made would probably be Athiests.
Atheism is growing and reli gion is dying and that will only increase as our understanding of the universe increases

 Crusader fan your ignorance is appalling. Modern science has proved that there is a God who created all this.Have any of the other foolish atheists been backing poor crustie fan. I think they were so overwhelmed by the evidence I presented they have been shut up for good.crusader fan needs to search for my numerous posts on the subject. He too will then fall silent.Google Christianity is growing faster
EVERY KNEE WILL BOW AND EVERY TONGUE WILL CONFESS THAT JESUS CHRIST IS LORD!  GOD THE SON WILL RULE NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.

Arthur Compton

Francis Collins

Guglielmo Marconi

John Eccles

Max Planck

Robert A Millikan

Werner Heisenberg

William Thomas Kelvin

Albert Einstein

You said: "most of "these" people if alive today with the scientific discoveries that have been made would probably be Athiests."

Where do you derive this from...your opinion or is it a "fact".

What utter nonsense.

PS The Creator is the ultimate scientist...man studies the elements and physics of science...He made the matter... and science recognises that matter cannot be created or destroyed...lol. Yes it certainly changes form  but can never be obliterated...man thinks it's a big deal to land on the moon or split an atom but who created and designed all these entities...it's blindness and insanity of man that stubbornly resists truth because his heart is wicked and corrupt...he fears the word sin because truth hurts and vanity and inflated egos dominate our fallen natures...and that pertains to every single one of us...that's why we need a Saviour.

 From the fact that christianity is dying in developed countries and Atheisim is growing so you can draw a straight comparrison that a number of these people if born in this era some would be Atheists.
Just as if I was born 200-300 years ago I would more likely to be a christian as I would not have the scientific information to understand that it was all bullsh@t as that is how the churches worked. Keep the uneducated and feed them any old rubbish to control them and take what little money they have.
You dont think its funny that the more educated people become the less religous people are becoming?  

Certainly morals, standards, work ethics, honesty, truthfulness, compassion , manhood, feminity,  unselfishness and integrity are in a downward spiral.

It escalates day by day and people now are getting immune to it and blind as bats.

Education is important but it depends on the correct education.

Our priorities (if worthy) are also completely out of order or context.

Improving...codswallop.

 morals, standards, work ethics, honesty, truthfulness, compassion , manhood, feminity,  unselfishness and integrity
These are human conditions and are not exclusive to Christians or any other religion. I was lucky to be raised by parents with all of these traits and more and neither of them are believers in religion of any type.
Religious people are no more moral than anyone else so dont go sprouting that garbage that believing in god makes better people.
The sooner the ignorant masses educate themselves and reject religion the sooner the world will be a better place.
Top 10 countries to live in the world are where religion in followed by the minority, bottom 10 countries to live in are all deeply religious.
So how does that equate to religion makes better people?

Seb and Beans....if you two had been born in Saudi Arabia and brought up by loving Muslim parents, do you still reckon you'd be Christians today? 
Bearing in mind that Christianity is viewed in that country the same way Islam is viewed in Christian countries. As the opponent/enemy/lies etc etc.
If your answer is convincing and truly believable you might make a Christian out of me. If your answer is because the bible says so, then don't bother replying. 

I agree with you...religion the way we term it does not change anybody but Christ does to a sincere and repentant and teachable heart.

Good works does not save a man...Christ's redemption does to those who receive it...genuine good works do start to become a result of this...it starts here...but the redemption is available as a free gift. God loves good works and encourages them but it is only Christ who paid the full price of the world's iniquities and sins that gives salvation. Even true Christians are certainly not anywhere near perfect...no man is except the perfect Son of God who became flesh full of grace and truth and dwelt amongst us.

...and yes I understand cynics because I was one...I hated God and as a student I read Ayn Rand's books...We the living... Atlas Shrugged etc...I believed in her form of objectivity and in some respects she was right...she was a highly intelligent writer but devoid of God, which suited me.

Later when I challenged life, facing a cruel divorce I looked for answers and found the answer...the problem with man's truth is that it is served on a platter of good attractive things laced with a little drop of poison but nevertheless enough to kill you.

The most dangerous perception of "truth" is partial truth...and we get get fed with doses of that today. Only Christ is the full price paid for our sins on the cross at Golgotha...He is the Truth in widest of meanings you can put to word...perfect love...greater love has no man than this when he lays down his life for a friend...we have seen this in battle and adversity but what is so staggering that He did it for the whole world, not just one man.

 Returning to the US after 15 years and to our old neighborhood and Church has been a good experience. The Christian values are alive and well and it has been a pleasure to be reconnected. 
Sure there's a lot wrong with the way Christianity has been and is practiced by many but in my microcosm of a community it shows its strength and value. We are all flawed individuals (some more than others ) but we do what we can.
Merry Christmas to all on this board and to their families and friends. To all concerned, Christian or not, I wish you a full and happy life in t his coming year and years to come.

Seb, so in other words....you have absolutely no answer to my question. Everything you have wri tten is all fair and well, if you are a Christian growing up in a Christian society, but it has zero bearing on what I asked you. 

Thanks Dr Win and the very best to you and your dear ones...you are one of my favourite posters...a good humour but slacking in the ability to catch moles that occassionally appear here...

Blue bok I understand your question...if you two had been born in Saudi Arabia and brought up by loving Muslim parents, do you still reckon you'd be Christians today?

But truthfully I don't know the answer...I probably would still be a Muslim. These things are puzzling I know but nobody knows because everything is in His hands.

The problem is we try to rationalise God with our limited brains in comparison to an Almighty Creator's "brains"...but I do believe this that anybody who genuinely seeks the true God in his heart no matter where, will find Him...afterall He runs the universe...I cannot answer these type of questions...I believe that God deals with individuals and is personal and answers those who truly seek Him.

With me it was an act of grace...but that really applies to all...we don't deserve it anyway.

 @sebastianchabal,

"Sorry Beeno something strange happened here...some twitter bug interrupted...could it have been the red (rooi) one...anyway it could have been sabotaged by some force unbeknown to us...a virus perhaps..."

no, man,... nothing strange happened,... no bug, no virus, no sabotage,... it was just your Copy&Paste which screwed the margins

and it's very simple to correct it,... you just have to Edit your comment in the other thread and delete the Copy&Paste you made with that list of "scientists"

Seb, thanks for the honest answer. I am glad that you did not make excuses for not knowing the answer, you just stated the facts as you understand them.
I typed, and then deleted, my very long reply. I don't want to change any Christian from believing what they believe. In fact, I envy people who have unquestionable faith. Unfortunately for me, nobody has been able to explain to me why, according to Christianity, a Muslim (or Jew, Hindu, etc) that lives a good life, but happens to believe in the "wrong" thing, will go to hell for not accepting Jesus as their savior. Especially when their beliefs, as is the case for most Christians , are dictated mostly by geography and their family. No fair God would create such a conundrum. 
   

Well, good works no matter how many do not save you...only Christ...in other words how many points do you need 20% (which is ambitious) or 33.3%...that's about it and I don't anybody close to 50% even if that's the pass mark...what would happen in this case if a candidate got 49.99%. God said that even your good works are like filthy rags to Me, that's why God took the extremity of sending His own Son to pay the full price for our sins...God is holy, perfect and just and cannot condone sin...something we are not...no one but Christ alone who was the"unblemished Lamb of God".

Also God gave us free will to chose His redemption and never cloned us to believe...He gave us the greatest gift of all and that is freewill/ choice...Calvinism is false doctrine.

 @sebastianchabal,

and I repeat it :

"nothing strange happened,... no bug, no virus, no sabotage,... it was just your Copy&Paste which screwed the margins

and it's very simple to correct it,... you just have to Edit your comment in the other thread and delete the Copy&Paste you made with that list of "scientists"

Well you're right Abasquefan when it comes to computers and things like this, I'm a mampara...but this really is not important...I think that there is very little one to do for those who refuse to believe...and just cannot because the self importance and ego of man is his greatest stumbling block and blindfolds us all to see those things that really matter.

We throw the baby out...with the bathwater so to speak and strain at gnats whilst swallowing camels.

 OK.,... but my point was that the thread

14. More climate change crow for ab ASS to consume

is still illegible because of your last post,... I'm asking you to go there, click on the "Edit post" button of that last post, select the whole list of scientists you copied & pasted (which is the cause why the rest of the thread is illegible) and delete it

this way the rest of the thread would be again legible (while you already brought here a resume of that list of scientists )

ABasque, I don't think Chabull here has the cranial capacity to comprehend what it is you're asking him to do or why.
I can't tell you how many times I've asked some of the knuckle-draggers on here to do exactly what you're asking Chabull to do. Baboon-ou, Moffie, Ou Maaik, DumbAss . . . not one of them understands what it is that screws the margins up or how to fix the margins when they do screw them up.
Good luck getting the incoherent and babbling buffoon Chabull to edit his post and fix the stuff-up that he made. I noticed the half-witted evangelist actually blamed me for the mess he made of that thread. Seriously, if you close your eyes and really try hard to imagine something as hopelessly dull-witted as Chabull, you just can't! I would tell Chabull to do unformatted pastes in future (from the paste-special options, dumbo!) but I'm pretty sure his brain would start to hurt at the first multiple choice dialogue box. A truly hopeless case.
The fact that this forum has these variable margins is enough of a pain (especially when it's a probably a very simple fix for anyone with access to the code) but when dullards like Chabull and Baboon-ou consistently screw them up with their mindless and boring copy-and-pastes that no-one wants to read anyway, then it becomes really annoying.
I think the fact that we have a forum with so many right-wing, Darwin-bashing, bible-punching, climate denialists and Tr(*)mp supporters explains why little things like staying within the margins becomes such a serious challenge for some of our members. Seriously. There is a puddle of drool forming on the desk under Baboon-ou's chin as I type this.  

 @rooi,

"the fact that we have a forum with so many right-wing, Darwin-bashing, bible-punching, climate denialists and Tr(*)mp supporters explains why little things like staying within the margins becomes such a serious challenge for some of our members."

too true,...    

 There are enough leftist idiots  on here to keep the force in balance!

There is no EDIT POST in the blue rectangle at the bottom. At the bottom there are adverts Nedbank Private Wealth and Sportsman Twitters from Pierre Spies and Marnitz Boshoff that completely obliterate every thing...lol.

I don't know what you guys see?

Have you Philistines any suggestions?

"Have you Philistines any suggestions?"

Yes, I suggest you engage some of that "great interlect".

LMAO!

Crikey Sonny Bill...I just got a bollocking from the Basque and Red Neck Philistines for this and now you have ruined 2 and done it in style.

Something strange is happening...all is not well in the State of Denmark or should I say in the land of the Philistines...

LOL...