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More realism on the Boks "average" scrummie performance

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Nov 2014, 19:28
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10 Nov 2014, 19:28#1
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Rob Houwing, Sport24 chief writer

Cape Town – Might both Springbok match-day scrumhalves pay a price for their ineffectual displays against Ireland in Dublin?

Whether coach Heyneke Meyer takes such an extreme step remains to be seen, but the fact remains that South Africa were notably poorly served in this key slot at Aviva Stadium and it contributed to their humbling 29-15 defeat on Saturday and muted, out-of-sync collective display from the backline.

Francois Hougaard had a shocker, in short, but when Cobus Reinach put him out of his misery from the bench before the hour mark, the Sharks player didn’t look convincing either.

Hardly helped by Hougaard, in particular, labouring in that critical department for a No 9 – sound handling of the ball -- confirmation was only served that both players are snipers far more than they are tactical maestros and deft decision-makers.

The latter is a much more necessary requirement, generally speaking, on the softer, slower pitches of the northern hemisphere, and the Boks have got to bite the bullet in that regard for the next few weeks and three remaining tour matches because of the absence of both Fourie du Preez and Ruan Pienaar from their plans.

The third scrumhalf in the travelling party, Jano Vermaak – summoned a few days ago after Pienaar failed to get fitness clearance – is also not really renowned for the sort of generalship Du Preez is particularly valued for, but there must be at least a chance that he will leapfrog both Hougaard and Reinach for a start against England at Twickenham on Saturday.

It would be only a fourth cap and second Bok start for the former Lions and Bulls livewire, but he boasts plenty of first-class experience as a 29-year-old and what may be attractive to the brains trust is that he plies his trade in nearby France for Toulouse these days, so he is increasingly versed in European conditions.

There is a case for not hitting panic buttons, and allowing Hougaard to redeem himself at “Twickers” – remember that he was looking more like his effervescent old self in the later stages of the Castle Rugby Championship – but he is also a bit of a confidence player and may not be feeling too chipper on that front now.  

England has become a very important game after the first-up setback in Dublin, as a second tour reverse in succession would be a sobering development with next year’s World Cup in mind, undoing much of the hitherto fine work of the Meyer regime in consistently winning north of the equator.

As the dust (though there isn’t too much of that in lush Ireland) settles on the Dublin loss – I believe it would be over-emotional to call it “debacle” – it is worth bearing in mind that all runs come to an end some time, and the Boks had been an admirable 6/6 in the wins column in these climes under the current coach’s stewardship until this result.

There has been tons of predictable hysteria on social media since the setback – sack the coach, captain, baggage-master etc – but the more sober of Bok observers will agree with Meyer when he said afterwards that it was far better for his charges to experience this kind of wake-up call now than at the World Cup.

They are back as mere mortals after the heartening Ellis Park victory over the All Blacks, and the men with real mettle among the Bok crop will be expected to bounce back vigorously and urgently at Twickenham.

Wholesale alterations to the Bok XV are unlikely, as it can be just as counter-productive after a loss to jerk a knee or bow to often naive, apoplectic and provincialist public sentiment.

But apart from the scrumhalf conundrum, Meyer might also have to consider making use at the outset this time of street-wise JP Pietersen, a World Cup 2007 winner, who showed greater hunger at right wing when he came off the bench in Dublin than the largely anonymous Cornal Hendricks.

He will also, as he revisits the video nasty, receive confirmation that the Bok pack in most instances did enough for the Boks to have won, so the eight may receive a full reprieve.

Those under some pressure, however, include blindside flank Oupa Mohoje, whose callowness was apparent against the frenzied Irish, and maybe even the coach’s staple No 4 lock favourite Eben Etzebeth, struggling to reproduce the levels of aggression and skill he achieved in two prior Test seasons.

People who suspect that the Jean de Villiers-Jan Serfontein midfield alliance is a less-than-ideal fielding of two specialist inside centres may have had some fuel added to their argument in Dublin ... but remember that these two had also been having some pretty good games together very recently.

*Follow our chief writer on Twitter: @RobHouwing

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Nov 2014, 21:00
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10 Nov 2014, 21:00#2
 Mozart
Who is Rob Houwing?   Never heard of the man before - is  he by any chance a locl rugby fundi?   You searched an article that tied n with your idiocies and entertained us with that one.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Nov 2014, 21:00
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10 Nov 2014, 21:00#3
 Mozart
Who is Rob Houwing?   Never heard of the man before - is  he by any chance a locl rugby fundi?   You searched an article that tied n with your idiocies and entertained us with that one.
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Sharky54Club Pro247 posts
10 Nov 2014, 21:05
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10 Nov 2014, 21:05#4
Funny...Hougaard made a few handling errors in promising attacking positions - granted, but the problem wasn't just at 9.

WTF is the story with Pollard, is he royalty somewhere in the world that is important to South Africa or something ? Why is he so heavily protected ?

Relatively, his performance was worse than either Hougaard or Reinach.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Nov 2014, 21:18
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10 Nov 2014, 21:18#5

Have to disagree Sharkie. Best I can make out Pollard missed one difficult kick and an open field tackle on Kearney who was at pace and had heeps of space. He never turned the ball over, made the Irish commit defenders and fed his backline well. Not a stellar performance, but a totally competent one.

 

 

 

 

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Sharky54Club Pro247 posts
10 Nov 2014, 21:25
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10 Nov 2014, 21:25#6
Average to below average sorry. My opinion - you are welcome to yours. Dont know what has gotten all you guys so fascinated by this guy. I must absolutely be missing something. We have better flyhalves playing Currie Cup.
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
10 Nov 2014, 22:35
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10 Nov 2014, 22:35#7
Mike, Rob Houwing is the chief sports writer for News24.com. He sometimes has good things to say, sometimes not. I find his articles hard to read because he uses long, meandering sentences and an overload of adjectives.

For example, I had to read this 3 times to figure out what he was trying to say:

Hardly helped by Hougaard, in particular, labouring in that critical department for a No 9 – sound handling of the ball -- confirmation was only served that both players are snipers far more than they are tactical maestros and deft decision-makers.

Any English teacher worth her salt will keep him after class and have him rewrite this clumsy nonsense until he gets it down to 15 words. Something like "Hougaard's poor handling confirmed that both players are primarily snipers, not tacticians or decision makers."

Anyhoo, now that I got my Houwing bashing in for the day, I'll say this about Pollard: he didn't have a bad game, he was just heavily marked. I was a little disappointed that he never challenged the defensive line in any way other than running at it. He had two guys marking him all the time. There was room to exploit that - draw them in, get someone running off the offload. Put it behind them to create some doubt.

Sharky, he has a lot of potential. He was pretty much a match winner against the All Blacks as his two tries were both individual efforts and made a massive difference to our chances. He'll have to learn to deal with being heavily marked though. After Ellis Park he is not a surprise package anymore. The rugby world has taken notice.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Nov 2014, 23:18
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10 Nov 2014, 23:18#8
 Wow and that clown calls himself a rugby writer. Sharky you are spot on. Hougaard passed the ball 62 times of which 3 were poor. The rest were spot on. Problem with these clowns is that Hougaard 's overall performance is defined by those 3 poor passes and the two fumbles.
Hardly a massive sin given the conditions and the lack of a platform provided by the forwards.
Hougaard was no worse than the majority of the Boks on the day.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Nov 2014, 00:49
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11 Nov 2014, 00:49#9
Yet another rugby writer opines Vlougaard

 The toughest call Meyer may have to make is to stick with Francois Hougaard at No 9. Hougaard was the worst of a bad bunch at the Aviva Stadium last Saturday , and showed why Fourie du Preez and Ruan Pienaar will be the first- and second-choice scrumhalves at the 2015 World Cup. However, when you consider the present tour in isolation, Meyer has no option but to back Hougaard.

Cobus Reinach possesses similar attacking strengths, and similar tactical weaknesses. What separates the Sharks scrumhalf and Hougaard is experience. And experience will count a great deal when the Boks face a determined England at their home ground.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Nov 2014, 00:49
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11 Nov 2014, 00:49#10
Gee if you are the worst....can you be average?  
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
11 Nov 2014, 00:52
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11 Nov 2014, 00:52#11
Another sheep......Moffie are you a sheep or shepherd?

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Nov 2014, 00:57
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11 Nov 2014, 00:57#12
Neither bowling ball.  
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
11 Nov 2014, 01:03
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11 Nov 2014, 01:03#13
 I'll help you , you are a useless sheep
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Nov 2014, 01:35
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11 Nov 2014, 01:35#14
Oh that hurt.  
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