SHsharkbok
Captain23,220 posts
SHsharkbokCaptain23,220 posts
24 Apr 2024, 14:53#2
Mosterd made process tackles.
Steph DuToit tackled players backwards with far more physicality.
Mosterd is good, but an inform Du Toit is a match-winner.
Wasnt he man of the match in 2023, (and perhaps a contender in 2019- I think it went to Vermuelen)
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Apr 2024, 15:33#6
The modern era….gosh. Greater than Joost, Habana, Matfield, the Beast, Etzebeth. Wow that’s great.
But Pollard won the last WC. We could have won without Dud making all those process tackles, but we couldn’t have won if Pollard hadn’t made every kick he took in the WC.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Apr 2024, 15:43#7
That Mostert stat is absolute bullshit as I know for a fact he missed a tackle in that goal line defence against England in 2019 and no doubt missed a few in the 2023 final but I’d need to go watch that again
But he definitely missed one in 2019
And to be fair who gives a fuck about all these little process tackles - hardly the measure of a Bok test lock. If he had not made them other players would have.
Had they been dominant tackles like PSDT effected in the last final then we would have something to talk about
Same as his pathetic work in the carry, twice he coughed up possession once close to the line against England.
Do you ever see a physical clean out by him? Or imposing himself physically on the charge? Given the physical weakness he shows in general play there can be no way he is an asset in the engine room of the Bok scrum.
You have his weedy 112kg frame as compared to Lood at 125kg or RG at 136kg. As a prop I know which lock I would want behind me
Fuck me Esterhuizen our centre is bigger and de Allende is the same size
Mostert is a physical joke
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Apr 2024, 18:03#9
Prop my arse I was a centre and did pretty well at school outside the mighty Hennie le Roux
PLPlum
Captain21,007 posts
25 Apr 2024, 06:05#13
Please note the absolute wisdom present in this statement...
"And to be fair who gives a fuck about all these little process tackles - hardly the measure of a Bok test lock. If he had not made them other players would have."
Haha it doesn't come more clueless than that.
1) If he misses, someone else has to make the tackle...obviously narrowing the defensive line. I guess in Dave's retarded world it doesn't matter how many defenders are on their feet.
2) Process tackles are basically useless!!!??? Cos Dave can tackle a muscle bound120kg man backwards when bursting from behind a ruck and diving downwards towards the line. Haven't you heard...The Fat Lip is actually Thor.
This is a the guy that parades his rugby "wisdom" and tells everyone else they're ignorant, clueless, etc etc.
The thing about stupid people, they never know they're stupid.
"Vey is beeg, so vey is rrreeel Bok."
"A arricle did say DDA is good so him is oso a rrreeely, bestest Bok."
What a clown!
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
25 Apr 2024, 08:35#14
Fuck me Buttplug you have to be the biggest dunce on the planet - you just keep fucking up again and again and again
Now read this slowly - I’m saying take the utterly useless Mostert out of the equation not meaning we are then down to 14 men you stupid prick.
Let’s say I have RG in his place - you know RG, an actual person, a rugby player, part of the 15 not 14.
I’ll stop there as this is too embarrassing Roos12
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
25 Apr 2024, 08:37#15
‘ You have his weedy 112kg frame as compared to Lood at 125kg or RG at 136kg. As a prop I know which lock I would want behind me’
Not literally Moz - we have discussed our playing days on numerous occasions and you will know I never played prop or anywhere in the forwards
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
25 Apr 2024, 08:38#16
Exactly Pakie it was a full blown miss when the Boks were defending the goal line. I think Faf was another who missed a tackle during that passage of play
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Apr 2024, 13:14#17
There was a tackle on George Ford that I would have classified as a miss. Looking at it a few times though, the player on Ford is Pollard who gets dummied and Ford steps inside. Mostert gets an arm on him and stops his progress. The Beast puts him away.
Obviously the software doesn’t classify that as a missed tackle. Nor would it classify similar efforts by other players as missed tackles. Debate the rule, but according to the rule applied to all players Mostert was 31 and zero.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
25 Apr 2024, 17:22#21
Mostert missing a tackle is not up for debate it’s as clear a miss as any
As for comparing his powder puff efforts vs the huge physical hits by PSDT in the final is insulting
PSDT put in more dominant tackles in that final than Mostert has effected in his entire career
PLPlum
Captain21,007 posts
25 Apr 2024, 17:51#24
Biased?
Great. Now give us your take on Fat Lip's view on Mostert in light of his 2x World Cup heroics.
Moz doesn't back PSDT...huge problem, so biased, so ignorant...so so so...
Fat Lip gives even less respect go Mostert, but Rooi the slimy coward remains as hush as can be. Strange, cos didn't Mostert perform like a beast and doesn't he also have 2x WCs to his name too?
Why?
Well, we already know why.
It's called living the slimy coward life and this is just another day in it.
Ne, RooiBallas?
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
25 Apr 2024, 18:53#28
Rooi you are so right old Buttplug is so fucking pathetic
PLPlum
Captain21,007 posts
25 Apr 2024, 19:27#29
That post totally whooshed you, Rooi.
If not, why are you defending your own stance on Mostert?
The question is why Moz not appreciating PSTD is so deserving of scorn, yet the Fat Lip's berating of Mostert doesn't raise an ounce of ire.
And umm, I said I thought PSDT played very well in the WC final, both on the live match thread and numerous times since. So, what exactly are you on about?
Like I said, slimy coward doing slimy coward things. Slimy, jealous, and very butt hurt coward.
But we know this about you already. The bitter knob of Ruckers, far too afraid to stick his neck out, unless it's in an attempt to dogpile.
Poor Fat Lip is very confused at this point. He's become so accustomed to not using any evidence to support his claims. "It is so, because I, the mega Fat Lip, say it is so..." being his very grown up and "intelligent" way of debating, that when you simply declare the same, with the same lack of evidence...his micro-brain completely wigs out.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
25 Apr 2024, 19:36#30
Buttplug stop scraping the barrel, lying your way does not give your horseshit any credibility but I’m guessing you are too stupid to work that out
Instead of boring Rooi with your incompetence why not talk us through Roos at 12 one more time
Pretty please Roos12 or is it Plug up your arse - which do you prefer? Serious question
PLPlum
Captain21,007 posts
25 Apr 2024, 20:08#31
Saffex, how the hell were you, with that minute intellect of yours, ever of any service to anyone in your capacity as a solicitor?
It would take me all of 5 minutes in your presence to know that I wouldn't want you anywhere near anything that I have ANYTHING to do with.
I made my case for Roos at 12, very clearly, and knowingly went against the grain of tried and tested wisdom to do so. I took the hard road and made a convincing case...why? Because debating you on level terms is punching down. When your face gets all red and that Lip gets fat, you've already lost. You're just too easy...and it's become boring. So I chucked you a bone to see how you'll go. And you still failed. You failed with almost everything on your side. It's difficult to fail that hard even if you're trying to throw.
Your failure is evidenced by the fact that you never made a single valid argument against Roos 12, even though said tried and tested wisdom was well on your side.
I'll summarise for you, cos I know that I already lost you somewhere in the second paragraph...
I gave you the easy side of the debate, and you never managed to make any sort of case for yourself. I stacked the odds in your favour but the best you managed was a predicted list of logical fallacies(that in and of itself was comedy of the highest order).
For the record...you also employed literally the most basic logical fallacies...the ones that first year law students chew through in their sleep. The ones no half intelligent first year student would dare attempt to use because they how stupid they would be made to look when the most stupid person in the class points out that an appeal to authority is meaningless.
A solicitor!!!???
You passed the exams but you sucked at the job so turned to something more suited to your voltage. Be honest now, you got retrenched or asked to leave...am I right? It's either that or you're intentionally acting stupid. And I don't think you're acting. What we see here is basically the best you're capable of. And it's damn hilarious.
Hahahaha
Loser!
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
25 Apr 2024, 20:20#32
Keep making it up Buttplug it’s all you are good at
There is no better evidence than Roos at 12 - you made your case for Roos at 12 did you? Says who? You? Self proclamation is a sad indictment of insecurity. Are you a little lost baldy?
You fucking joke
PLPlum
Captain21,007 posts
27 Apr 2024, 05:35#37
...but when I made a rather long and detailed post explaining to Fat Lip that a guy like Mostert saps the opposition energy because he's always there...he didn't buy it.
How he's not there to make bone crunching tackles but rather to put out volume...he wasn't having it.
How, aside from his excellent lineout ability, the draining of opposition energy levels and the subsequent frustration is exactly why Swys, Rassie, and every other coach Mostert has played for, love what he brings.
All the Fat Lip said was "No, because I said so."
But, the Fat Lip does love an appeal to authority, so perhaps this article will see him now calling Mostert the best lock in all of Narnia.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 May 2024, 20:10#39
Well that makes absolutely no sense as he was the same guy that said Lood was the best No5 lock in the world and we know Matfield would not select Mostert ahead of Eben unless Vic has become profoundly stupid