Moving Forward
Xtramick
Nice posting - but I would like to add some comments on the various positions.
Full Back
I rate Taute highly as a full back - based on his Lions Super 15 and CC form - and hope he shows up well in Super 15 next year. I like the other players you mentioned as well - but would like to mention that the talk of the town is that GFrancois Steyn would also be in the mix - but he ha a speed impediment and may not meet requirements. The dark horse in the race is Timo Swiel. White insisted that the Sharks contract him - but now indicated that Lambie will be the Sharks flyhalf - so Swiel may end up at full back. The latter is a ball sense whiz kid and would like to see how he shapes up with the Sharks.
Wings
Not sure about the JP contract - but he will be available for a major part of Super 15 and the June tests - may even be available for the RCV - so lets hope he is. I am not overly-impressed by any wings mentioned by you for the remaining spot - they all have handicaps. There is a chance that the Bulls will use Duhan van der Merwe on the wing this year - barely out of school - but already part of the Bulls Super 15 training squad. Watch out for him in the next two years. He is dynamite and will be part of he Under 20 team for the JWC next year. Guy is 4 cm taller than JJ and reputedly stronger and faster than JJ as well.
Jordaan has the speed and defence capacities as a wing as well - so he is likely to fill one wing spot for the Sharks if they do not use him at 13.
Centers
The issue here is complex. Insofar as the list of players is concerned - there are serious question marks as to the future of Francois Steyn in particular. He ahs a mountain to climb to prove that he still belongs. White is likely to get him back to form - something he seriously lacked over the past 18 months. He will have to up his speed, physical fitness and approach drastically and if there is one person that could get him right it is indeed White.
You could add to the list of potential 13's Damian de Allende - really a much better center than players like De Jongh. He is equally adaptable to play in 12 or 13. I think he is a very good and strong tackler and ball carrier - with better attack capacity than Fourie - who is worth zero in attacking play, if his performance in the last three tests are borne in mind.
Scrummies
This is really where we need strengthening. Lets accept that Fourie Du Preez is the no 1 candidate - but at 32 years of age there are always question marks about durability. Older players get injured more frequently and take longer to recover - sop we need strong backup. Ruan Pienaar is in my book past his sell-by date and in the event of a foreign-based player I would prefer Kockott ahead of Vermaak. Hougaard was more of a handicap for the teams e played in during the past 20 months than he was an asset and I think that he has a long way to go to prove that he still belongs. Van Zyl had moments of brilliance for the Cheetahs - but those were infrequent and he has a lot to prove as well. Hope Reinach comes through next year - he is more of a thinking player than the others mentioned.
No 8
I think you are correct about Vermeulen - but not about Spies as back up - the latter has no grunt and has been questionable for the Springboks this year. Evn if he ws available I think he would not come into the picture at all. I do think that Arno Botha is the real back-up in this case.
Blind side Flank
If there is one thing Alberts is not - it is performing in the Super 15. The game is way too fast or him and he is too limited to show much in that position. Like this year he is going to flop next year in Super 15 as well. Watching his performances I am not sure that he will last through the series next year - since he is getting on in years with an increase in weight and reduction in speed. He cost u dearly in the Ellis Park Test as well. I would like to see how the players perform in Super 15 - but I think that Marcel Coetzee and Lappies labuschane will again be top performers - especially since the latter out-performed all loosies in Super 15 this year.
For the rest I am in broad agreement with you. I think that the fourth lock position is in question - but based on actual performances in the tests he played in - I doubt whether despite he hype Bakkies Botha is in any way the answer to the fourth position.
Xtramick
Sure noted what you wrote - but even though Meyer is in some respect a guy who does not look at talent and also that he has an affinity for Bulls players _ I can see your point.
However, I think that we may have to look a bit wider since there are sticking points in the present Bok set-up - there may yet be some surprises in stall for us. As you say - it may be what the franchise coaches do insofar as player selections are concerned that would have an impact on the ultimate selections.
Incidentally I do not rate Coetzee as a reasonable coach - but he may end up with Venter looking over his shoulder - so we may yet see some reasonable selections for the Stormers as well. They might rest De Villiers in some matches and De Allende should get more playing time - even though I think that he should rather have moved to the Cheetahs for Super 15.
There is one interesting point Meyer made himself. He said some of the squad members for the EOYT will not be part of the Springbok setup in future. I think Kirchner is one of those. He was in the EOYT squad - but never got any game time. Meyer is one person that would never admit anything in public about players - but he is going to analyse performances of existing players carefully and ultimately the decisive issue is likely to be not what he says - but what he does.
Be that as it may. Gavin Rich from Supersport is not know as one who likes to hold back on his punches when it comesto Heyneke Meyer. In typical reporter and anti-Meyer style writing he chose a heading that said the exact opposite of what he reports Meyer to actually have said. This becomes clear when you read the rest of the article. This is what he wrote:
Meyer still worried about No 5 lock by Gavin Rich 25 November 2013, 07:32
Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer ended the tour of Wales, Scotland and
France happy with the depth he has in most positions building up to the
World Cup in England in 2015, but he says he is still worried about what
is available at No 5 lock. (When you read further down, you will see that this is not what Meyer said.)
Flip van der Merwe has adjusted to the role brilliantly in the past few
months, and many critics believed that Meyer erred in not selecting
Sharks youngster Pieter-Steph du Toit as a starter in one of the tests
on this tour.
However, Meyer’s reluctance to throw the youngster in at the deep end
may have been vindicated when he lost some crucial lineouts against the
throw in the closing stages of the 19-10 win over France at Stade de
France at the weekend. (And then Mr Rich actually contradicts himself in saying that Meyer could have been correct. LOL)
Not that Du Toit’s ability to do the job is what Meyer is concerned about and preventing him from selecting the recent age-group star into the starting team now.
“The No 5 lock runs the lineout and I don’t think people who are not involved realise what that entails and what a huge challenge it would be for a youngster like Pieter-Steph,” said Meyer during the tour wash-up with South African journalists in Paris on Sunday.
“I will give you an example that I hope you can carry across to your readers in a positive way. In the build-up to one of the games on this tour, Bakkies (Botha) and Pieter-Steph were training together in the same lineout formation, and because he was the middle of the lineout jumpers, Pieter-Steph was leading the lineout.
“On one occasion Bakkies wasn’t the right spacing, and I saw Pieter-Steph go up to him and ask him very politely and respectfully if he would move. Because he is so much younger and less experienced than Bakkies, Pieter-Steph has a natural respect and even awe of someone like Bakkies. But what we need from the guy running the lineout is someone who will be forceful and take charge.”
Meyer is confident that Du Toit will be up to speed this time next year though.
“I have always said I have a plan with Pieter-Steph and you will see it come through next year. He will be bled into the system. By this time next year hopefully he will have several tests under his belt and he will be ready for the role I envisage for him.
"This time last year Eben Etzebeth had hardly played any tests, and look at him now. He is regarded as experienced and is up for the IRB Player of the Year award.”
Meyer says he rates Du Toit but believes that the Boks will need back-up in the most important position in the lineout.
Juandre Kruger is out of favour while Andries Bekker, though probably available again in the World Cup year, is ruled out of playing international rugby for the time being by Japanese club commitments.
MATFIELD RETURN?
(Another stab at cheap journalism. This is Rich's own effort at reading something that HM has never even hinted at. It was a figment of his buddy Stephen Nel's imagination)
Meyer’s headache may be eased slightly if the Bulls play Van der Merwe at No 5 in next year’s Super Rugby, but there will be those who will see his words as an indication that he still might be looking for a way to pave the way for a Victor Matfield return.
Whatever the reality, he doesn’t have many problems in most other areas, and he has professed himself particularly happy with the way a potential weakness at tighthead has resolved itself on this tour.
“I was worried when Jannie du Plessis wasn’t available to tour because I
wasn’t sure we had the back-up. But Frans Malherbe was thrown in at the
deep end and as a youngster, I was really pleased with the way he
played. I really think he is a big player for the future.
"And Coenie Oosthuizen was given his chance against France, and he took it with both hands. I was happy with his performance,” said Meyer.
“So suddenly we have three good players at tighthead. I am satisfied now that we are well covered there,” he added.
Patrick Lambie played well against Scotland when he got his chance at flyhalf against Scotland, and with Johan Goosen due to play again next year, the Boks look well covered in the all-important pivot position too, while Lambie looks set to continue to also cover fullback, where Willie le Roux has now established himself as the No 1.
“I don’t think people realise how much we have had to work with Pat. He
was lining up way too deep when he first came to us, and we have had to
get him to play closer to the gainline. He is starting to do that now
and I have been really happy with his progress.
"Johan (Goosen) wasn’t able to play on this tour but I want to have him ready for the incoming tours next year and what he has picked up on this trip will hold him in good stead for that.
“As for Willie, I have already said that I have been astounded at how well he has responded to the coaching he has been given. When he first came to us he had no kicking game. But he worked on it and has now become a great tactical kicker and a good tactical fullback. I have a lot of faith in him now.
“We played him on the right wing in the home leg of the Rugby Championship, but fullback is his position. He struggles with his defensive game on the wing and missed three key tackles that may have cost us the game against the All Blacks. I am happier with him at fullback.”
Meyer never made mention of it, but that does leave a potential problem at wing, where JP Pietersen’s strong showing since his rusty return in Cardiff has seen him re-establish himself as the only real option at No 14, with Bryan Habana also having no challengers at left wing.
Gio Aplon travelled on this tour ostensibly as a wing back-up more than a fullback reserve, but was never used because there were no injuries, and with the exception of perhaps Lwazi Mvovo, there aren’t many strong candidates back home.
Fourie du Preez’s return to the fold has partially solved the scrumhalf problem, but Meyer is also concerned about that position.
“I need a strong locally based scrumhalf to come through to add to the depth there but so far that isn’t really happening. I will be monitoring the progress of the youngsters closely during the coming Super Rugby season,” said the coach.
If we look at where we have come from since 27 Jan 2012, when Meyer was appointed, I do not think that it is really fair to comment on his "tendency to stick to what he knows". The team now is vastly different from the one that tackled England in their first test in 2012 and it is vey much in line with what he said was going to happen back then. He said that he was not going to kick off with wholesale changes and new ideas. He was going to concentrate ate the best possible way of getting through the England tests unscathed and would from there on slowly evolve the team/squad on the way forward. I think he is on the right track. It is no secret that I do like HM and if I honestly though that he was way off the mark, I would have said so. Earlier this year I thought that JJ Engelbrecht was the best thing since sliced bread. I do not think so anymore.


