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Moz your prejudice against JJ

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Apr 2014, 11:18
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01 Apr 2014, 11:18#1

has sunk to an all time low. Had a look at that last Chiefs try again and to blame JJ for the miss on Cruden is not only insulting to a rugby follower but the joke of the year.

 

 

Moz this take does little for your credibility

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
01 Apr 2014, 11:49
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01 Apr 2014, 11:49#2
 
If you were completely honest with yourself you would have no alternative but to agree that JJ isn't a center.

Also, expecting him to learn his trade at 13, whilst playing super rugby is absurd ... but to then take this half baked notion, that test rugby can also to be used as a training ground, is bordering complete lunacy.

If JJ really wants to learn the trade he should put in a little effort cause from where I'm sitting it doesn't look as if he's bothered to learn ANYTHING of what's required to be a successful outside center.

He can start by learning what a proper tackle looks like and move on from there.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Apr 2014, 13:18
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01 Apr 2014, 13:18#3
 Saffex
Mozart has a tendency to blame players he does not like for tries scored against their team.   Normal with somebody who elsewhere claim he use all kinds of things provided they support his arguments.   
On the negative side I do not think that Engelbrecht has really produced the goods up to this stage of the tournament.   I think a 13 of  good standard would come up with more than he did.  He has not shown nearly no penetration and although he did not have a substantial missed tackle problem - his tackling was not strong and effective in causing ball losses by the opposition.   
I frankly think there is room for improvement in his case.
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
01 Apr 2014, 13:44
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01 Apr 2014, 13:44#4

Mike ... his best position in my opinion is Left Back ... in the change room that is.

Useless as a club center, useless as a provincial center, useless as a super rugby center and useless as a test center.

I guess he's just plain useless.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Apr 2014, 14:00
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01 Apr 2014, 14:00#5
 Cleancut
Maybe he should return to his previous position at wing - he cannot be as bad as Basson is in that position.   He does not have the thinking ability of a center - tries only to use brute force and speed and it does not work.   The thinking process is not as important at wing - where speed and strength are good qualities - as it is at center.
I wanted to add something about center play of other centers  - but thought the better of referring to Fatso again.   
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
01 Apr 2014, 14:09
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01 Apr 2014, 14:09#6
 
Fatso ... ???

Ohhhhhh!!!! You mean Mr Fatso!!

You really should try to be a little clearer.

We have more than sufficient wings in the country to not even bother with JJ.

Besides, B asson is excellent with the high ball whereas JJ doesn't have much of anything noteworthy.

A complete loser!!
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Apr 2014, 14:13
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01 Apr 2014, 14:13#7

No Clown, I am always honest with myself when it comes to rugby players and JJ is the best 13 prospect I have seen for years

 

You on the otherhand know fuck all about rugby

 

The point of this post was the laughable take that JJ missed Cruden for the Chiefs last try......I have never read so much crap in all my life......the take clearly has nothing to do with rugby  

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Apr 2014, 14:19
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01 Apr 2014, 14:19#8

Mike stop speaking utter rubbish......if you are going to speak shit then at least back up your rubbish with what JJ should have done differently every time he has received the ball this year and while you are at it, kindly point out which SA centres have done anything differently and stood out as world beaters

 

 

The problem with you lot is that you are too stupid to comprehend the realities of modern rugby where the days of centres making a huge impression on the field are long gone.

 

 

Defences are tighter and more organised than ever......centres hardly see space.......centres don't stand out anymore.......when last did Jean or Frans stand out????

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Apr 2014, 14:40
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01 Apr 2014, 14:40#9
 Saffex
Francois Steyn has not stood out in anything since his return from France.  Jean had some very good moments in Super 15 this year.    
The difference  with players like Engelbrecht and Steyn is they try to use only brute strength and not to out think the opposing players.  Do not run straight at the first defender - try and draw in two defenders and create space for the outside players and time passes correctly.  That has positive effects - brute strength produces nothing of consequence - only consequential mauls with the inherent danger of loss of possession and penalties.  Ask Francois Steyn about how the latter is done - he seemed to have developed it into a fine art.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Apr 2014, 14:50
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01 Apr 2014, 14:50#10

Mike stop speaking utter shit......Jean has had one good moment all season, the chip ahead for the try............so stop speaking out of your arse.......much like JJ using brute strength, what rubbish......he is hardly a physical type of player.

 

 

Frans has been solid and done what has been asked of him given the opportunities......he has been better than Jean......your take on him is pathetic prejudice.

 

 

If Frans takes contact, its because the circumstances dictate he should......name a single passage of play where Frans took contact instead of trying to create.

 

 

Your ignorance of the modern game is tiresome  

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Apr 2014, 15:06
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01 Apr 2014, 15:06#11
 Saffex
Crap - I do not have one or more instants in games to name - I have one whole game.  Just go and look again at the Hurricanes game and you will see how Steyn buggered up the whole game.  Steyn does not even think of passing balls - he runs straight at the first defender 80% of the time - with virtually nothing to show for it.  
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
01 Apr 2014, 15:18
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01 Apr 2014, 15:18#12
 
I see ... so your the type that doesn't like looking anything squarely in the eye. Probably don't fancy looking anyone in the eye either. Sort of downcast when you meet someone, huh? A Shady low life!! Must say that doesn't really surprise me.

Now it's all kind of excuses about centers not making any impressions any longer and horseshit like that.

Well at least you did come clean and admit that JJ doesn't impress at all and you are quite right that he never really sees much space ... that's cause he's lying on his back after missing so many tackles. 

How about Fofana, or Tuilagi or Roberts ... what about Beale or De Allende or Jordaan??

Huh?

You see Stupid, you are so shortsighted that you didn't even think about comparing the useless JJ to any of these real deals.

JJ is a pretender. That's all. He has been found wanting almost every match and will sadly never measure up.


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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Apr 2014, 15:27
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01 Apr 2014, 15:27#13

Clown......how did you reach this wonderfully informed take on me you useless prick.......would it be along the lines of your deducing that Jacques Engelbecht is the best 8 in SA huh?

 

 

You are so bright, its scary........good to have your stupidity back on board though  

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Apr 2014, 15:28
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01 Apr 2014, 15:28#14
Just as I thought Mike......you don't have a single example because you are too stupid and don't have a clue what you are talking about  
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
01 Apr 2014, 15:35
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01 Apr 2014, 15:35#15
 
Oh brother ... I see your already squirming and I haven't even started yet!!

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaaaa!!!

Wasn't it you who had a lot to say about Boshoff?? ... Huh?? ... Coulda sworn you had a mouthful at the time.

Now that he's the leading points scorer, has that changed any? Probably not ... I mean how does one try save face after stupid comments like the ones you keep pumping out?

It's like you have a stupid comment production line working over time. Pumping them out o ne after the other.

You seem to like standing firm in your ignorance.

Well Stupid, if living blissfully unaware does it for you then by all means ... knock yourself out.


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Apr 2014, 15:57
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01 Apr 2014, 15:57#16
 Saffex
I gave  you 9 examples in a single match - what more do you want?  Must I add another 9 in subsequent matches as well?   
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Apr 2014, 16:14
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01 Apr 2014, 16:14#17

Dave for heaven sake snap out of it. JJ tracked back....the tackle was made for him, Anscombe was on the deck. All he had to do was kill the ball or failing that tackle the following runner. He falls over .....the only thing he couldn't do.....for no good reason, nobody touched him. Then getting up from the deck trying to get to Cruden.....he tries to go high!!!!!!!!!! If he just launched at the legs he might have stopped him, but there he is again trying to grab the jersey.

 

 

You have to face it, this player has a mental block about tackling low....it seems he just can't do it. Secondly he has no rugby nous at all....with just a bit of savvy he could have stopped Cruden who was the last Chiefs runner.

 

If I have a prejudice, it's against guys being picked for the Boks with no track record and staying in the team after not producing.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Apr 2014, 14:13
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02 Apr 2014, 14:13#18

Moz your take is a load of rubbish and has nothing to do with rugby at all. I am not going to even bother with the real take on what happened.

 

 

It is clear you are beyond reproach when it comes to JJ.........I was happy to defend the lad when it comes to your attacks on him, but this latest take is so laughable that its beyond me giving it any serious time.

 

 

Watching that clip again had me in fits of laughter at your take......we will leave it at that.

 

 

Changing the subject, what's your take on de Jongh getting man handled in contact.......the very reason he should never be considered at 13?  

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