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Mozart's favourie geriatrics - Bakkies botha and Juan Smith

Started by clevermike26 REPLIES541 VIEWS· 26 Oct 2014, 06:39
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26 Oct 2014, 06:39
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26 Oct 2014, 06:39#1

Both the above players came from the ebnch in the Uoulon-Ulster match and both did squat as per normal - or was realy problematic:-


Botha0/000/2/2100002/22/000/0


Smith0/000/1/1323011217/03/020/0


Boyha - no bll carries - very poor tackling.  Was on for 31 minutes - so what a poor show for a player Mozart wants in the Springbok squad come hell or high water.


Smith played for 79 minutes after Lobbe was injured in the first minute of the game.   At least he made his takles - but he also gave away two penalties and lost ball possssion twice.   


Are those tqwo becoming like Morne Steyn - the bench players of their club?


Before Ceradunce get ballistic - Morne Steyn did sta rt for Stade Francais this weekend in their earth-shattering clash against Buxcharest - and they managed to beat this Romanian club 13 - 9.   What an achiement!!!!!!!   Morne in fact converted the onkly ry scored in the match and converted two pealties.    Stade Francais must have thought easy meat that game and sent their "B" team to Bucherest  




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26 Oct 2014, 09:29
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26 Oct 2014, 09:29#2
These 2 are washed up has beens on very high pay cheques at Toulon. They should cash in on those contracts and forget about the Boks. 
I have no problem with Matfield, but both these other 2 have proved their are past it. Willemse is a brute and he should be involved. Ezebeth has been a shadow of himself and if he is not going to the enforcer, then Williams can get a shot Lood Foot is a option but he does not possess the Brute strength of Willemse. He does not have the street smarts of a Matfield. Lood Foot has done very little at test level to suggest he deserves a starting position.
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26 Oct 2014, 11:23
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26 Oct 2014, 11:23#3
Ou Maaikie hasn't watched the game......... again. If you have watched the game you would not have been talking kak. No use making any further comments. 
PS. Ou Maaikie, I recall that you once said that you only use stats to confirm what you have observed in a game and that you never comment on games that you haven't watched.  
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26 Oct 2014, 11:34
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26 Oct 2014, 11:34#4
 Cerdaunce
I wayched the Toulon game - the Stade Francois one would not have been braodcasted here - they do not broadcast rubbish locally.   
So I watched the game and saw nothing of conseuqnce by what Sharkbok said the has beens.   Bakkies might as well not have played 31 minutes.    Smith did some tackling - but was really not up to standard at all.
Have a nice day - dunce.
 
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26 Oct 2014, 14:26
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26 Oct 2014, 14:26#5

SB I agree with you, these two are probably passed it....but no Lomp, please. Etzebeth will be back. He wasn't poor, just not as dominant as last year when he was the best lock in the game. And he never missed crucial tackles like young Lomp

 

 

I did notice though in the OOM's stats that Juan Smith made 17 tackles and missed none....my guess is the club is quite happy about that.

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26 Oct 2014, 15:22
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26 Oct 2014, 15:22#6
Weasel who has Jannie dominated in the scrums internationally? 
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26 Oct 2014, 15:53
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26 Oct 2014, 15:53#7
 Mozart
17 tackles - positicve2 lost posession adn 2 penalties - negative.  
50-50 case here.
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26 Oct 2014, 16:02
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26 Oct 2014, 16:02#8

clevermike

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October 26, 2014, 11:34:20  Cerdaunce
I wayched the Toulon game - the Stade Francois one would not have been braodcasted here - they do not broadcast rubbish locally.   
So I watched the game and saw nothing of conseuqnce by what Sharkbok said the has beens.   Bakkies might as well not have played 31 minutes.    Smith did some tackling - but was really not up to standard at all.
Have a nice day - dunce.
If you have watched the game and you maintain what you have said, then so be it. You could not have paid much attention, TBH. Maybe you should go watch it again. I can remember Bakkies being quite prominent in the rucks and mauls, to such an extent that he was often mentioned. Juan Smith was very prominent as well and was one of the players that was mentioned for man of the match, the others were Ali Williams and Brian Habana but Mathieau Bastaraud got it in the end. I am not even prepared to enter into further discussion because of your bias overrule your common sense.
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26 Oct 2014, 16:05
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26 Oct 2014, 16:05#9
Ceradunce.
Bakkies is pst it - prominent in the rucks and mauls with virtually no ball carries in trafice and what else.   I admitted that Smith did well in defence - but he was a liability in other components of the game.  
 
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26 Oct 2014, 16:16
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26 Oct 2014, 16:16#10
 As you wish. Your opinion is worth sh!t as far as I a concerned.


BTW, have you noticed that your Boy Wonder is on the bench.............. again?
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26 Oct 2014, 16:25
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26 Oct 2014, 16:25#11
 Johnny Sexton > Jules Plisson 
Sexton is the best flyhalf in the NH, no shame in being put on the bench to accomodate him and it doesn't make Goosen any less of a great player.
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26 Oct 2014, 17:36
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26 Oct 2014, 17:36#12
Benched....say no more. The flyhalf who many a fool thought was going to lift Bok rugby, sitting on an NH bench. And we have  that new Bok flyhalf in Pollard. Sadly though none of these dopes got that until he HM brought him through. So they remain invested in  in the French splinter gatherer.
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26 Oct 2014, 17:43
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26 Oct 2014, 17:43#13
Goosen - Dudd
Loodvoet - Dudd
Coenie - Dudd
Stephanie - Sponsored by Elastoplast. Worst than Glaasen.
Reinach - Jawellnofine.
Jordaan - ?

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26 Oct 2014, 17:51
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26 Oct 2014, 17:51#14
Malherbe...Elastoplast.Reinach....bombed against WP second team, can he manage a game? Jantjies....jokeSteppie....gassed by Old Man SmithJJ....male modelMvovo...not mentioned anymore
The beat goes on. The trick is to spot youngsters that have the capacity for test success, as opposed to raving about the next kid who looks good against poor opposition.
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26 Oct 2014, 18:38
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26 Oct 2014, 18:38#15
 Weasel when has Jannie dominated a scrum in a test? 
Trying to persuade everyone that you spotted a players talent first when you didn't is just plain embarrassing. 
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26 Oct 2014, 19:04
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26 Oct 2014, 19:04#16
Actually Juan Smith had a great game and I would have given him MOM.
Bakkies did stuff all.
Habana had a good game
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26 Oct 2014, 19:36
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26 Oct 2014, 19:36#17

I tell you what was embarrassing cheezer....when you started your threads with Handre Pollard and ended them with Handre Pollard....having never rated him and still showing the bench sitting NH club player as your avatar. Wahahahahaha.

 

Moz the first poster who called Pollard the future. Pick the good ones, you arent picking if you pick them all.

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26 Oct 2014, 19:45
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26 Oct 2014, 19:45#18
Turning to lying to get one over on someone, how weak. I have never made an assessment on Pollard except for his cool temperament and good attitude. Clutching at straws there with me using his name at the top and bottom of my posts...
No you most definitely weren't, you wait for the final moment to back a player, once they've burst onto the scene. You can't spot a talent before hand to save your life, hell you barely watch any rugby!
When has Jannie ever dominated the scrums in a test? You've avoided answering this question because he never has... Another embarrassing moment to add to Weasel's failure collage!  
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26 Oct 2014, 20:06
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26 Oct 2014, 20:06#19
Moffie first to call Pollard bwhaaahaaaaa
Yet another lie
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26 Oct 2014, 20:07
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26 Oct 2014, 20:07#20
 No you have never made an assessment of Pollard....you were on the Gossen wagon. I called him the future before he played a test. Embarrassing for you ...and then that silly little Handre Pollard in your posts. Childish stuff from a twit.
And let me help you on Jannie. Unlike S15 where you come across poor props....like Werner Kruger.....in tests it's rare to achieve dominance. The Beast last dominated In the Lions tour. But Jannie provided strong right shoulder after the Bargie tests....and had Slipper in trouble.  But of course you missed that.
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26 Oct 2014, 20:09
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26 Oct 2014, 20:09#21
Never said I saw him first Vetsak. I said I was the first to say definitively he was the future Bok flyhalf....and I did.  
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26 Oct 2014, 20:17
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26 Oct 2014, 20:17#22

 Every player comes to a point in their career when they are in decline, it is the natural order of things, Juan Smith was a hero of mine, and perhaps even of Meyer, he tried him but the experiment failed.


Bakkies is in the same boat. The problem when these players are in decline is they lose the hero status they had worked for so hard in their careers, often it is nostalgia that rules the mind rather than facing the reality that time has come to hang up the boots.


Both Juan and Bakkies are making the last bit of coin they are going to make as players, but we must not forget how much they have meant to SA rugby.

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26 Oct 2014, 20:20
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26 Oct 2014, 20:20#23
 Don't lie Moffie I said he had Bok written all over him as an 18 year old playing for the Baby Boks.....just because I never had him as a starter for the Boks that early on many made the call he would make it. 
You were nowhere near the first as Rooinek proved you lyi ng twat
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26 Oct 2014, 20:22
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26 Oct 2014, 20:22#24
 Both Juan and Bakkies were great players and Bakkies especially so - he carried wee matfiled for a decade - that is some feat!!
Noce to see you hanging in here BB. One gets used to ou snapster - like a toothache 
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26 Oct 2014, 20:24
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26 Oct 2014, 20:24#25
Bakkies, Matfield, Jean, Steenkamp, Fourie and Smith are all past test standard and should all be doing what Bakkies and co are doing and cashing in on the money at the end of their careers. 
Meyer is an idiot for thinking they still have something to offer at test level and it's this very fact that is holding Bok rugby back.
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26 Oct 2014, 20:48
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26 Oct 2014, 20:48#26
 Your attempts at making me look bad is hilarious, I've never claimed that I touted Pollard as the Bok flyhalf for the foreseeable future, IMO I didn't think he would be better than Goosen and Lambie before the World Cup. What I did say was that he was a young player and could easily improve and has a good potential. 
Your comment's on test scrums shows you no very little, there is scrum dominance in test rugby shown by the Argentinians against us. 
Your bullshit is beyond reckoning and makes it unsavoury debating with you with your lying nature.
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26 Oct 2014, 20:53
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26 Oct 2014, 20:53#27
Ag Beeno, it takes all kinds.   
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