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Mozart this article from the timeslive is especially for you

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Sept 2016, 07:12
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18 Sept 2016, 07:12#1

Mozart made as per normal a huge thing of defence and I know he would not quote this article – he only quotes articles he believes  which supports his viewpoints:-

“The All Blacks had a 15-10 lead at halftime as they struggled to maintain their flow but turned their game around in the seconf half when they stretched the Springboks to breaking point, kicking away four tries.

The Springboks blundered their way to a third successive Rugby Championship defeat here on Saturday.

It completes a full set of away defeats against all their rivals in this competition and heaps more pressure on Allister Coetzee and his coaching staff.

They now have to engineer a turn around in the two home tests next month against the Wallabies and the All Blacks.

The imprecision that dogged the Springboks against the Wallabies in Brisbane last week followed them across the Tasman Sea and their handling‚ in particular‚ was ham fisted

the handling variety‚ conspired against the Boks in the first half and the trend did not dissipate in the second.

With the All Blacks already in the ascendancy due to a superior kicking game‚ the Boks invited trouble onto themselves by not applying due care and diligence in possession.

The crowd was still stunned and the Boks in a mild state of euphoria following Bryan Habana’s converted try in the 19th minute when Elton Jantjies inexplicably dropped the kick-in close to the Bok tryline.

From the resultant scrum the All Blacks hit left before switching play to the right allowing Israel Dagg to run in unchallenged. There was an air of inevitability that they would score once Jantjies dropped the ball.

Six minutes later Johan Goosen thought it prudent to throw a speculative pass around the Bok 22.

From the resultant scrum the All Blacks advanced down the left flank before Julian Savea applied the finishing touches.

It must have been infuriating for captain Adriaan Strauss who hitherto had led the Bok charge when they stretched their legs in attack.

The Boks looked composed and patient when they ran at the All Blacks in the first half and their breaches then proved telling.

They didn’t enjoy much territory in that period but when they got into the All Blacks’ 22 they looked like they meant business.

It was a patient but determined build-up that eventually led to a try for Habana‚ who completed the move when he ran onto the ball from a deft angle.

The Boks‚ however‚ had to do a lot of defending as the hosts probed forcefully through various avenues.

The Jantjies/Juan de Jongh channel was like the Panama Canal with traffic frequent and heavy.

The Bok cover defence in the first half proved timely.

Warren Whiteley’s intervention in concert with De Jongh prevented what looked a certain try for Ben Smith.

The Boks‚ however‚ made life difficult for themselves.

If Jantjies was again lackadaisical‚ Goosen appeared absent-minded.

Faf de Klerk has lost the zip that made him such a sprightly figure in Super Rugby.

If Coetzee did not assemble his bench the way he did‚ De Klerk‚ like Goosen and Jantjies would have been withdrawn from the action.

Captain Strauss was withdrawn from the action in the 44th minute and was replaced by Malcolm Marx‚ giving rise to all sorts of conspiracy theories.

Marx had leapfrogged Bongi Mbonambi into the match day 23 after the latter was given scant game time in the first six tests of the season.

He didn’t exactly hit the mark with his lineout feeds and his rapid predicted rise remains in its infancy.

Elsewhere Bok errors kept coming and the All Blacks kept punishing.

The immaculate Ben Smith scored after an aimless Jantjies punt‚ while Ardie Savea touched down after turn over possession at a ruck inside their own half.

The Boks were struggling the plug all the holes and the All Blacks’ much vaunted bench again stretched the opposition.

Sam Whitelock scored in the corner with 15 minutes to go as the Boks ran out of defenders.

At that point the Boks were potentially looking down the barrel of a 50-pointer but they were thankfully spared that embarrassment.”

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
18 Sept 2016, 08:55
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18 Sept 2016, 08:55#2
The bit you highlighted merely states that the All Blacks sent a lot of traffic into the 10/12 channel. That was obvious. Jantjies in particular, for all his other failings, defended his channel admirably. What point are you trying to make?
Why didn't you highlight this bit?
Warren Whiteley’s intervention in concert with De Jongh prevented what looked a certain try for Ben Smith.

Or this bit about one of your favorites:
If Jantjies was again lackadaisical‚ Goosen appeared absent-minded.

Don't be caught indulging in the same selective reading and highlighting you accuse others of.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Sept 2016, 12:12
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18 Sept 2016, 12:12#3
 I read that as well - and posted it to be quit honest in what is going on.  However, I also reminded  Mozart about his statement elsewhere that De Jongh organised the defence of the backline - especially it was total BS he wrote.   
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Sept 2016, 12:12
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18 Sept 2016, 12:12#4
 I read that as well - and posted it to be quit honest in what is going on.  However, I also reminded  Mozart about his statement elsewhere that De Jongh organised the defence of the backline - especially it was total BS he wrote.   
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Sept 2016, 12:12
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18 Sept 2016, 12:12#5
 I read that as well - and posted it to be quit honest in what is going on.  However, I also reminded  Mozart about his statement elsewhere that De Jongh organised the defence of the backline - especially it was total BS he wrote.   
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Sept 2016, 14:54
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18 Sept 2016, 14:54#6
 De Jongh was organizing the defence all the time....watch him and you will see that. He also brought up the defensive line much more quickly than in the Bargie tests.
As for your comment on your honesty, I'm guessing even you wouldn't cut a sentence out of the middle of an article. The fact is de Jongh saved that try....full credit to Whiteley for getting back and assisting. But it was de Jongh's brilliant around the ankles tackle from behind that stopped all forward momentum a few metres out.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Sept 2016, 16:09
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18 Sept 2016, 16:09#7
 If De Jongh was organising anything it was never evident to anybody bar you.  He was not defending and his organisation was tripe .   How many tackles did he miss and how many tackle attempts did he duck out of - he is known to have done that in the past.   You praise him - but where is there anything indicating he can carry a ball 3 meters before he is tackled back like a rag doll more than 3 meters.   Look I know you are delusional - but this one beats the cake.  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Sept 2016, 16:09
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18 Sept 2016, 16:09#8
 If De Jongh was organising anything it was never evident to anybody bar you.  He was not defending and his organisation was tripe .   How many tackles did he miss and how many tackle attempts did he duck out of - he is known to have done that in the past.   You praise him - but where is there anything indicating he can carry a ball 3 meters before he is tackled back like a rag doll more than 3 meters.   Look I know you are delusional - but this one beats the cake.  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Sept 2016, 16:09
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18 Sept 2016, 16:09#9
 If De Jongh was organising anything it was never evident to anybody bar you.  He was not defending and his organisation was tripe .   How many tackles did he miss and how many tackle attempts did he duck out of - he is known to have done that in the past.   You praise him - but where is there anything indicating he can carry a ball 3 meters before he is tackled back like a rag doll more than 3 meters.   Look I know you are delusional - but this one beats the cake.  
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
18 Sept 2016, 17:12
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18 Sept 2016, 17:12#10
He was not defending

What does that mean? Was he not defending when he brings down Julian Savea? When he brings down Kieran Read? When he helps bring down Ben Smith meters from the line?
How many tackles did he miss
3
how many tackle attempts did he duck out of
0 that I recall, unless you can show evidence to the contrary this is a non-issue. Don't make assertions when you can't back them up with facts.
where is there anything indicating he can carry a ball 3 meters before he is tackled back like a rag doll more than 3 meters

Why, against the All Blacks he made a half break gaining more than 3 meters without being tackled back 3 meters. There's your indication. 
If you want to level criticism against a player's performance, come armed with facts. Not these silly questions and suppositions and hypotheses.
And finally:
this one beats the cake

You take the cake, you don't beat it. No one likes squashed cake.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Sept 2016, 18:10
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18 Sept 2016, 18:10#11
De Jongh was in Mozart's words so busy organising the defence that he forgot that he has to tackle players as well - missed 3 out of 8 tackle attempts - ie a missed tackle ratio of  37,5%.   His tackles were in the main so weak that the players off-loaded balls with ease.   Since he also does not contribute anything in other facets of play - that is a horrible stat showing serious incompetence.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Sept 2016, 18:10
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18 Sept 2016, 18:10#12
De Jongh was in Mozart's words so busy organising the defence that he forgot that he has to tackle players as well - missed 3 out of 8 tackle attempts - ie a missed tackle ratio of  37,5%.   His tackles were in the main so weak that the players off-loaded balls with ease.   Since he also does not contribute anything in other facets of play - that is a horrible stat showing serious incompetence.
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
18 Sept 2016, 18:42
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18 Sept 2016, 18:42#13
Who did he tackle that offloaded with ease?  
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
19 Sept 2016, 06:52
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19 Sept 2016, 06:52#14
Come on Mike. You made a claim, now back it up. Who did he tackle that offloaded with ease?
In the meantime, here is De Jongh's test tackle stats vs that of De Allende
(made / missed / tackle success):
De Jongh - 70 / 8 / 88%
De Allende - 104 / 36 / 65%
Source - ESPN
Since you called De Jongh's 37.5% missed ratio against the All Blacks "a horrible stat showing serious incompetence", what would you call De Allende's career missed tackle ratio of 35%?
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Sept 2016, 07:52
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19 Sept 2016, 07:52#15
 Look dud - it is easy to come up with allegations about issues,   I will watch again - but De Jongh was horrible in 2012 when he made absolutely sure he was on the side of the field where the ball could not possibly go.   That is meant with ducking out of tackle situation.  He ducked out of trying to tackle Kuridrani in a Super 15 game  where De Allende was blamed and he was so-called guarding the wing when that player was already guarded.  Stupidity got caught out on that one and badly so.  You have been caught out before so don't try a new stunt.   However, I will watch the game again and identify where De Jongh buggered up.     
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
19 Sept 2016, 08:09
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19 Sept 2016, 08:09#16
He ducked out of trying to tackle Kuridrani in a test where De Allende was blamed

Brisbane, 2015? Well, that would have been quite a trick since De Jongh wasn't even in the touring squad you dolt. 
Mike, you are a compulsive liar. And sadly I think you're too far gone to even realize it. 
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
19 Sept 2016, 08:55
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19 Sept 2016, 08:55#17
"He ducked out of trying to tackle Kuridrani in a test where De Allende was blamed and he was so-called guarding the wing when that player was already guarded."

Ou Maaik, which test match is this? According to me, Juan de Jongh and Damian de Allende have never been in the same team in a test match against Australia.

I don't think there's anything you can say about Juan de Jongh that has any credibility. You are just too prejudiced against him. It's the same with anything that Desert Fool/DimSum/Alutwat might say about Patrick Lambie or anything Moffie might say about Pieter-Steph du Toit. No one takes them seriously because they're just too blinded by their own prejudice. It's the same with you and De Jongh.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Sept 2016, 10:09
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19 Sept 2016, 10:09#18
 De Jongh has NEVER shaped at test level and never will. He makes no impact at Super Comp level either. He is a quota player end of story.
Faf was very industrious and had a good game.
Jantjes buggered things up badly. His tactical kicking is poor and he blows hot and cold. Trouble is when you blow cold against good sides its fatal. One had hoped Jantjes would settle down as he definitely has some good aspects to his play. How we miss Pollard and even Lambie. Right now I am wondering if Morne should start?
This writer is a fool. Where does he talk about Mohoje or Alberts. Mohoje was better than Alberts who did zip. Neither are up to standard.The cherry on the cake is his moronic take on Marx who throws in well for the Lions because he has a good partnership with his jumpers. Marx was the best hooker in the Super comp bar none. 
Coetzee should try Goosen at flyhalf and recall Wiliie Le Roux who should never have been dropped. Not sure if Rohan is fit to play 12 but he should be given a shot. Get in Elstadt at 7 or Kirsten or Du Preez.
It is also a great pity Redlinghuys is injured (We lose scrum dominance without him) and Combrink as well. Marcell Coetzee is another who one would like to see in a match 23.When one takes into account quotas and injuries this is a severely depleted Bok side with a coach who cannot compete.
Select your coach and team on merit or perish.


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Sept 2016, 10:46
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19 Sept 2016, 10:46#19
 Sorry Rooinek  it was in a Super 15 match last year,   I made a mistake with that one. 
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
19 Sept 2016, 11:42
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19 Sept 2016, 11:42#20
 For all the "good" De Jongh did, the score against us was the third worst we've ever suffered against the All Blacks.  
6 trys run in against us without breaking a sweat.
If that's what an organised defence is then I would hate to see one in disarray.



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