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Started by Denny30 REPLIES775 VIEWS· 22 Sept 2019, 02:01
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
22 Sept 2019, 02:01
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22 Sept 2019, 02:01#1

Firstly it was great to see friend and foe throw their weight behind the Boks in prematch posts, we rarely show unity so it's great to see that our passion for the Boks is as strong as ever. Most will wake up in the morning like me, totally gutted. Our hopes though will never diminish that much we know. 


Secondly, to the Kiwi posters on here, well done, a deserved win, your guys were the better team. Enjoy it while it lasts we'll see your lot in the final.


Now for the blame game......


Faf is a liability, I've always had misgivings about his overuse and misdirected box kicks, once again he horribly exposed his shortcomings and has to be replaced by Herschelle Jantjies in the big games. 


Our backline still have no idea of how to find the try line, the last time they did was back in 2007 when Eddie Jones was the Bok backline coach. And to the misguided, Stick is the Bok assistant coach not the backline coach, that honour belonged to the serial dropout, Swys.


Our players are not good under the highball, they were horribly exposed.


My overrated players are Willie Le Roux, Vermeulen and Louw. They have all seen better days.


Mostert, good against lightweight Japan, has to go.......don't care, don't want to know, he is a nonentity....Fullstop!


PSDT was good, tried his heart out, Pollard was ordinary but he'll get better, Marx has now become a serial under performer.


Rassie, the timing of his replacements is questionable and why he always replaces Etzebeth with another lightweight in Snyman is just dumb. Etzebeth should remain to play the full length of the game. Also dumb was his persistence with Faf when it was abundantly clear that his erratic boot was playing into All Black hands. 


There is a lack of leadership in this Bok side, the pack lacks 80 minutes of energy and commitment....age has wearied some and the centre pairing of Am and De Allende is an excuse not to be recognized.




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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Sept 2019, 03:13
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22 Sept 2019, 03:13#2
Eddie Jones was the coach in 2007 denny, so if the backline was good in 2011, somebody else gets the credit.
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
22 Sept 2019, 03:37
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22 Sept 2019, 03:37#3

Noted and corrected, tx. My point still holds.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Sept 2019, 03:49
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22 Sept 2019, 03:49#4
We desperately need a backline coach.....the new guy replacing Swys has a role only clear to Eraser: Jones will take on a new role and not be a straight swap for attack coach, De Bruin. “I spoke to the players after Swys decided to step down and the consensus was that we didn’t want a new attack coach,” said Erasmus, Director of Coaching at SA Rugby. “The feeling was that bringing in someone in that role now with new ideas now would be destabilising at this last stage of the preparations. “But they were interested in having more analysis of defensive patterns and structures to assist in breaking down the opposition.”
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
22 Sept 2019, 03:54
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22 Sept 2019, 03:54#5

It's always strange how SAFFA coaches lose the plot, Rassie has with this one, how on earth can you not have a backline coach.......if there's ever been such an example will someone point me to one....tx.

They can say what they want about Jake, he pulled the right strings and achieved a satisfactory end result in the process.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Sept 2019, 04:13
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22 Sept 2019, 04:13#6
Agreed, Jake had enough confidence to bring in a big personality like Eddie....I see F du Preez is now crediting that decision for winning the WC. 'Fourie Du Preez, the general of South Africa’s 2007 World Cup winning team, is unequivocal. “If it was not for Eddie we would not have won the World Cup.” Du Preez offers no qualifications or caveats to that statement. Nor he is alone in that opinion. At the end of the tournament, the players collectively insisted that he be granted a Springbok blazer in spite of an SARU edict that he could not wear the official uniform as a consultant.'
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Sept 2019, 05:37
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22 Sept 2019, 05:37#7

Strzok

Unbelievable - when we wrote on site that White was clueless as to backline coaching and Jones saved his bacon - you always said we were talking tripe.  Now when Du Preez said the same thing he is correct.    What a change in the nonsense you used to write on site - hurrah the point  hit home at last,   

I basically agree with  everything Denny wrote - especially also on the  issue of  Vermeulen and Louw,   

Just before I continue let me explain something skipped by both of you.  Erasmus did bring on board another Jones since Eddie is not available.   He brought him on board from Munster - where he used to be the attack coach.  The guy joined the squad just before the Japan game and did not have enough time with the Springboks to make an impact.   I a m sure that in evaluating the test Jones will have a huge input and he will get more involved in dealing with the backline issue after the test yesterday.  .        

    

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Sept 2019, 05:43
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22 Sept 2019, 05:43#8
Wrong.....I have always said Eddie made a significant difference, while giving Jake credit for being secure enough to bring a big name on board. Comparing Eddie and some assistant from Munster, only brought aboard because Swys imploded, is a joke.
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
22 Sept 2019, 06:30
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22 Sept 2019, 06:30#9

There appears to be conflicting information on the role of Erasmus's new assistant. Is there anyone who knows for sure whether he is a defence or an attack coach?

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Sept 2019, 06:50
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22 Sept 2019, 06:50#10

Denny 

He was the attack coach of Munster and one can only assume that is what he will be ultimately used as by Erasmus.  Erasmus was diplomatic about the issue - but I am sure he will be in for better use in future.     

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Sept 2019, 06:57
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22 Sept 2019, 06:57#11

Strzok

Remember Erasmus was one of the White assistants in 2007 and Eddie Jones was at that stage not coaching any team so White could bring him on board.    If Eddie was available he would have been the first person whom Erasmus would have called up.  He is not at present and Erasmus has to use what is available.   Nobody compared the two Joneses 0 you must really be kidding making a ridiculous statement like that.    Grow up Idiot Speaker. .  

I am amazed by your change of  story about Eddie Jones issue - you never said  anything like you do now when the matter w as raised in the past.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Sept 2019, 06:57
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22 Sept 2019, 06:57#12

Dup lication.

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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
22 Sept 2019, 07:11
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22 Sept 2019, 07:11#13

5c ... ???

I think you may have overvalued your post.

Luckily there's an edit button ... so feel free to leave t he title of your thread blank.


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
22 Sept 2019, 10:44
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22 Sept 2019, 10:44#14

I'm sure there's also some rope and a sturdy beam in your garage CC.

...luckily

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Sept 2019, 16:30
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22 Sept 2019, 16:30#15
Remember how Erasmus abandoned the Boks in 2007 to go to WP.......fortunately the Boks got the far superior skills of Eddie Jones.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Sept 2019, 17:21
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22 Sept 2019, 17:21#16
What fairweather supporters we have. Faf last year was regarded as the best 9 in the game - now all of a sudden he is a liability. What utter horse shit. Sure he had a poor game, does that make him a crap player and not good enough to play against the best sides. Fuck me talk about rugby ignorance of the highest level. We keep banging on about our backline not doing anything - what exactly did the Kiwi backs do that was any different or creative - a big fat ZERO. You sound like an old oom on the side of the field shouting that the backs need to pass the ball down the line to the wings
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Sept 2019, 17:30
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22 Sept 2019, 17:30#17
Faf was allowed to play his game last year.....sniping, passing to his forwards, worrying the opposition. Yessterday he lacked the usual energy, was slow to the breakdown and his box kicking was fruitless. To me it looks like a coaching issue......our backs are just going through a process, there is no sense of individual flair except for Kolbe.
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
22 Sept 2019, 17:37
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22 Sept 2019, 17:37#18

“Posted by: clevermike (37788 posts)

Sep 22, 2019, 06:57

Strzok

Remember Erasmus was one of the White assistants in 2007  “

As usual, Hillary, I am going to ask you if you are sure that you don’t want to revisit that assertion?

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Sept 2019, 17:51
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22 Sept 2019, 17:51#19
I can’t begin to imagine Faf needs coaching at this stage of his career. He just had a poor day. His box kicks were awful and the direction of his service even worse. He clearly cannot be defined by that game. He has been good in his previous games this year, granted not the heights of last year. It’s the nature of the beast - look at Marx, Huw Jones etc
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Sept 2019, 17:58
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22 Sept 2019, 17:58#20
Not that he needs coaching.....he is playing to a game plan that doesn't suit him. He should be given more freedom. I still think he is our best 9 by some distance. Jantjies wasn't much better yesterday.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Sept 2019, 18:06
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22 Sept 2019, 18:06#21
I hear you
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Sept 2019, 19:56
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22 Sept 2019, 19:56#22

Strzok - struck by the nightmare caused by Labuschagne

How could Erasmus have abandoned the Springboks in 2007?   He was drafted in for the WC and  was not on SARU staff and had to go back to the Free State in 2008.   Stop twisting facts Stroz,

   

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Sept 2019, 20:04
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22 Sept 2019, 20:04#23
He was nowhere near the WC. But in the very likely event that you will continue with this garbage, read this: 25 JULY 2007 1 COMMENT IN SPRINGBOKS The involvement of Rassie Erasmus in the Springbok team for this year’s Rugby World Cup has come to a premature end. He will instead commence his role as Western Province Senior Professional Coach with immediate effect. His withdrawal from the Bok management team was confirmed by SA Rugby on Tuesday. “SA Rugby, Rassie Erasmus and his legal advisor met earlier today to discuss the future involvement of Erasmus with the Springboks. “Erasmus and his lawyer met with Jonathan Stones, the SA Rugby MD and Andy Marinos, manager of National Teams. “The outcome of the meeting is that SA Rugby will allow Erasmus to start with his WP Rugby duties with immediate effect. “WP Rugby on Friday announced the appointment of Erasmus as Senior Professional Coach. Erasmus joined the Springboks’ coaching staff earlier in the year as a consultant (technical advisor),” concluded the statement. The loss of Erasmus will be a huge setback to the Springbok World Cup campaign, a fact confirmed by John Smit. “I saw Rassie’s value during the time he was with the Springboks. His attention to detail is outstanding. He has an immense amount of knowledge and it will be to our disadvantage if we lose him,” said Smit before the announcement was made. His lawyer Frikkie Erasmus said after the meeting, “For Rassie, this is a long-term career matter. He will use all his energy to make a success of it. “Rassie has made a valuable input with the Springboks. This has been confirmed by players and the team management. “It won’t be right for Rassie to become involved with WP before this week’s match against the Cheetahs. His integrity is such that he does not want to be regarded as having divided loyalties.” It was announced last week that Western Province has signed a contract with Erasmus which would run until the end of 2010. SARU had not entered into any agreement to secure his services for the Rugby World Cup. Rob Wagner, MD of WP Rugby, confirmed that it was Erasmus’ wish to commence his contract in August. “Rassie wanted his contract to commence on August 1. We never intended entering into a debate with SA rugby about the issue.”
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Sept 2019, 20:05
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22 Sept 2019, 20:05#24
Rassie wanted his contract to commence in August.....Boks be damned.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Sept 2019, 02:45
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23 Sept 2019, 02:45#25

Strzok - struck by the nightmare caused by Labuschagne

Thanks for the info.

So he did play a role in the WC preparations despite what you wrote that he left to coach WP.   He did not go to the Cheetahs as you wrote.  Nobody knows why he left a month before the start of the WC.   Probably had a fall-out with White, but that is guessing.  We all know that White had a troublesome relationship with SARU and a lot of other people that eventually led to refusal by them to renew hi s contract and years later his effective firing by the Sharks.

            

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Sept 2019, 03:38
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23 Sept 2019, 03:38#26
What....against the Russians?
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
23 Sept 2019, 04:28
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23 Sept 2019, 04:28#27

Moz....I admire your patience and tolerance.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Sept 2019, 04:43
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23 Sept 2019, 04:43#28

Strzok - struck by the nightmare caused by Labuschagne

And against the Springboks and for every team he played against on Super Rugby level.

Sorry Strzok  he is something Alberts NEVER was - a loose forward.   

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redsmanPro1,710 posts
23 Sept 2019, 06:26
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23 Sept 2019, 06:26#29

Have a look... seems if you wear black... play on...

Read Highshot... play on....

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
23 Sept 2019, 06:39
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23 Sept 2019, 06:39#30

"Have a look... seems if you wear black... play on...

Read Highshot... play on..."

Yes, and completely off the baal too. Probably a honest mistake by all 4 match officials, but I saw it during live play. I'm sure South Africa got away with a few too. I can remember one high tackle by PSDT that went unpunished. 

Rugby is a professional sport. We need to atleast try for a higher standard. It's not nearly good enough ATM.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Sept 2019, 06:58
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23 Sept 2019, 06:58#31

Not looking good at all.   This s the type of thing that  should be avoided like the plague.  An off the ball incident and a neck high assault at the same time.   That should be a red card in my book - extremely dangerous as the player on the receiving end cannot  make some adjustments o minimize injury.

At best  disciplinary enquiry should be undertaken -  it would be unacceptable of pone is not held.

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