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My Bok Team for 2nd All Blacks Test

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sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,230 posts
06 Aug 2022, 22:45
#1
06 Aug 2022, 22:45#1

Not much different to what I suggested in the 1st test, barring some enforced injuries. 

1. Kitshoff.                       Bench - Ox Nche

2. Marx  /                        Bench - Bongi          
The best forward in world rugby not starting makes no sense. Is this transformation influencing selection? We need his presence to stop teams from getting an early lead- especially at the breakdown 

3. Malherbe                    Bench - Koch 
Koch on bench or possibly Trevor who can cover both sides of the scrum, to make the bench a 4/3 split with forwards/backs. Although Fat Trevor was a no-show in the matches he started as of late, and gave away a stupid penalty today for putting his knee on the floor.

4. Eztebeth

5. Lood                            

6. Kolisi

7. Kwagga Smith/                Bench - Steph DuToit (Cover lock and blindside flank). 

Steph DuToit is not back to his best. The backrow was better with Kwagga on the pitch, and made the Boks even more competitive on the ground. 

8.  Wiese

Was ok in the first test vs all blacks, but probably a placeholder until Vermuelen returns

9. Jaden Hendrikse          Bench  - Faff
Hendrikse is mister consistent, and was good again in the 1st All Black test. 
Faff might not be eligible next week due to concussion. 

10. Pollard
He is not playing great, but he is still good when he is average

11. Mapimpi

12.  Willemse ( Bench Delande).
Delande has good games but sometimes he is too predictable, and plays more like a forward. It is good to rotate players as well.
We also need to get Willie Leroux on the pitch to make more of the periods of Bok forward domination.

13. AM

14. Kurt-Lee Arendse    Gelant (Arendse will be out due to a concussion)
Gelant has the pace, and this will give him more test experience before the world cup. Gelant could also cover outside center, and would be a good bench option for the world cup as he has utility value 

15  Willie Leroux           
If he was on the pitch, the Boks would have created more try-scoring opportunities with his passing and play-making skills. The Boks looked more dangerous when he entered at the end of the game, especially when both he and Willemse were on the pitch. (Willemse could potentially have dotted down the try Leroux scored). 

Willie Leroux could not come on earlier because he was the only remaining backline player on the pitch. 

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It is debatable to go for a 4/3 or 5/2 split. Trevor Nyakana has experience on both sides of the scrum, and if he is on the bench it makes it easier to field a 4/3 split. Or Steph DuToit can cover both lock and blindside lock. 

MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
06 Aug 2022, 22:54
#2
06 Aug 2022, 22:54#2

You're fucking nuts Bark. De Lindy plays like a forward? Since fucking when? Do you even watch the fucking game huh? Man's fucking Road kill all day long. Run over and couldn't carry for shit. Useless. The only problem is you've found the black version of De Lindy to replace him. Willemse was fucking braindead. Dancing in front of the line for what? Nada. The Boks had 8 defenders beaten tk the Kiwi 25. The Kiwis had 94% defending. They sort their field position problem out and start playing real rugby, not this carnival bullshit, and you fucks are dead in the water. Let's select a team with the serious intention of actually doing better...

15.Gelant, 14.Kriel, 13.Am, 12.Pollard, 11.Mapompi, 10.Jantjies, 09.Hendrikse

08.Wiese, 07.Mostert, 06.Kwagga, 05.Du Toit, 04.Etzebeth, 03.Malherbe, 02.Marx, 01.Kitshoff/Ox

It's not perfect, but it's something. Esterhuizen on the bench. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Aug 2022, 00:59
#3
07 Aug 2022, 00:59#3

Actually I think Dud Toit is back to his best..his best was always mediocre. Lomp is a nothing burger….. Dud Allende is the destroyer of good ball. Clearly Dud has been coached to kick, but he is so thick he kicks when we have an overlap.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Aug 2022, 06:29
#4
07 Aug 2022, 06:29#4

The real problem of the AB's are they have reached a stage where the players are  getting too old and lost a lot of their ability to perform.

The great prformers from 2014 and 2015 is gone - but they still persist with them and do not build a new team  for years now.    Players like Sam Whitelock is not what they used to be -  they were overwhelmed by  defense and made panic passes that cost them dearly.    

Star players like Barrett on the whole - bar from one attacking move was not performing well at all.        

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Aug 2022, 07:49
#5
07 Aug 2022, 07:49#5
What a load of shit de Allende was very good as was PSDT
MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
07 Aug 2022, 08:41
#6
07 Aug 2022, 08:41#6

De Lindy very good. The bitch was manhandled Bilbo Loggins. Run over repeatedly. I mean literally run over. Tried his crashball and got splattered. Even with several Blocks driving him forward from behind. Loggins you are so fucking delusional. What is it with yarpies and worshiping the useless? 

PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
07 Aug 2022, 09:02
#7
07 Aug 2022, 09:02#7

Dave and Mike are about the only two SA posters here who worship DA. Will Greenwood from across the pond also seem to fancy him. That makes 3.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Aug 2022, 09:15
#8
07 Aug 2022, 09:15#8
Only ignorant twits don’t see the value of DA at 12 We gave Esterhuizen a go at 12 a few weeks ago and he was nowhere near as effective in traffic
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Aug 2022, 09:16
#9
07 Aug 2022, 09:16#9
Clean cunt stop fucking lying again you worthless prick
MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
07 Aug 2022, 09:39
#10
07 Aug 2022, 09:39#10

De Lindy did nothing right. Too giving 3 weak. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Aug 2022, 09:57
#11
07 Aug 2022, 09:57#11
Liar
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
07 Aug 2022, 10:11
#12
07 Aug 2022, 10:11#12
How on earth was DDA very good? The guy was an absent passenger. And he still bloody crab runs, waits until nobody has any space and then passes. Go and watch the final try in the Oz/Argies game to see what drawing a defender looks like. You either; crash. run laterally and create some space to move into draw defenders and make a pass that puts your teammate into space DDA runs laterally, allows the entire bloody defensive line to move up…and then passes. It’s crazy to think that he still plays like this after the better part of a decade as Bok 12. Except…now he grubbers. Dave…please man, the video is up on Youtube. Watch the game again and just give us some time stamps for the DDA plays that caused you to rate him as very good yesterday.
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
07 Aug 2022, 10:22
#13
07 Aug 2022, 10:22#13

The Goats know they are in trouble when Rassie and his dweebs select the same quota mix as suggested by SharkShit.

The only fool more ignorant on rugby issues than SharkShit is Stupid Dave.



CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
07 Aug 2022, 10:27
#14
07 Aug 2022, 10:27#14

Um .. Red Rose ... not all "yarpies" worship the useless.

I unfortunately am a "yarpy" ... and I have stated many time what I think of our traitorous ass kissing coach, his sidekicks and their choice of players.

Please don't paint me with the same brush.



MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
07 Aug 2022, 11:12
#15
07 Aug 2022, 11:12#15

I see you're a critical thinker CC. For me a yarpie is a stupid South African... not all staffers I see are stupid. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Aug 2022, 13:46
#16
07 Aug 2022, 13:46#16
Plum I know you are fucking rugby ignorant but I’ll help you out at some point pointing out the basics Fuck me inside centre is one of if not the most important position on a rugby field - do you honestly think Rassie would be selecting such a shit player and investing in him if he was that shit. How do win a WC, win a RC, win series after series including the Lions and hover around the number 1 spot with a shit inside centre. Wake the fuck up - seriously You lot are too fucking stupid to work out what his role is. You lot still live in some fantasy world believing that in modern day rugby we see centres consistently making wonderful breaks in a game opened up for free flowing attacking rugby I know for a fact that ever time DA took it up he made metres, drawing defenders in - his primary role which he happens to be the best in the business at He also made a nice break and defended well. DA had a fine game - fact In a nutshell you don’t understand the fine arts of the game
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
07 Aug 2022, 14:42
#17
07 Aug 2022, 14:42#17

Allende probably made a mistake not passing when he had the overlap but had his grubber been properly executed Mpimpi would have scored. 

So predictably the fat heads here trash Allende as they always do regardless.

However during the match I was thinking that putting Willemse at inside center and bringing Willie on would be a good idea.

It's a pity that this has not been tried before to see how it works. I see even ou sharkbok can spot this opportunity. 

Am had a good game and deserves credit.

I fact nobody had a bad game. Du Toit is not at the top of his form but one hopes he builds momentum.

Those trashing the Boks are left once again with mountains of egg landing.Hahahahahaha. 



MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
07 Aug 2022, 14:48
#18
07 Aug 2022, 14:48#18

The Kiwis beat nearly 30 defenders to the Block's 8, made 95% of their tackles to the Block's 84%, made nearly a 100 more passes... all that despite having so much lies territory and possession but no Blocks had a bad game? Ballsack, you need a good kick! Blocks dominated the breakdown? Sure, both sound 92% at the ruck and the Blocks bled ball in contact. Fuck me, typical yarpy crowing on top of a dung heap! Losers with loser mentality. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Aug 2022, 14:59
#19
07 Aug 2022, 14:59#19
There was no overlap
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Aug 2022, 15:14
#20
07 Aug 2022, 15:14#20
Greatest winning margin since 1928 you ignorant useless clown cunt
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Aug 2022, 16:00
#21
07 Aug 2022, 16:00#21

Dud Allende beat 1 tackle in 8 runs, made no breaks, made no offloads…..missed 2 of his paltry 9 tackle attempts….including missing Barrett right on the AB line.

Went offside in a strong attacking position by mistiming his run

And he destroyed a clear try by not recognizing a 3 on 2 overlap.

Sure he had a great game .


MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
07 Aug 2022, 16:08
#22
07 Aug 2022, 16:08#22

I question those stats. De Lindy was run over twice and I saw another two tackles broken. The Blocks really struggled in contact. I'm sure some Blocks tackles were listed as successful despite being dragged 4metres backwards! Hahaha! Poor Blockies. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Aug 2022, 20:44
#23
07 Aug 2022, 20:44#23
Hmmm wait till I bring up ever other player and let’s see how many tackles or clean breaks they made compared to DA Utter fucking bullshit that they would have scored when he made his lovely break. There was no overlap. DA as usual had a good game
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Aug 2022, 21:06
#24
07 Aug 2022, 21:06#24

Nobody except you think Dud Allende had  a good game. He had Barrett for dead at the AB goal line and Barrett walked around him as if he was planted in cement. That just after he botched that try scoring chance which you just won’t admit is a try scoring chance because you have to defend the Dud.

That said I thought the other Dud, Toit, actually had a decent half.


For heavens sake man stop lying.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,230 posts
07 Aug 2022, 21:12
#25
07 Aug 2022, 21:12#25

Delande had a few flashes when he got the line running, but all too often he walked into tackles. Perhaps AM and Delande should mix things up, with one at third receiver on the attack. AM is a better passer, and playmaker . Still would be interesting for Willemse to get a run at 12 - at least in the 2nd half when the game opens up a bit more

MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
07 Aug 2022, 21:14
#26
07 Aug 2022, 21:14#26

Got the line away?? You mean when the edge defender turned his back and De Lindy walked into empty space and panicked? Hahaha!!! The length you yarpies go to defend this shit. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Aug 2022, 21:17
#27
07 Aug 2022, 21:17#27

As for that idiotic offside Stransky saying it’s a technical penalty and the other commentator corrects him saying he got the ball virtually on the gain line.

Dud Allende gets Rolls Royce ball and he still turns it into Fiat. All that charging into tacklers never amounts to a hill of beans.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
07 Aug 2022, 22:55
#28
07 Aug 2022, 22:55#28
Emperor’s clothes.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Aug 2022, 23:05
#29
07 Aug 2022, 23:05#29
As I said you twits are as ignorant as ever It was DEFINITELY NOT a try scoring opportunity The only way a try could have been scored is if DA had kept the ball in field and there had been a miracle bounce into the hands of a Bok Dream on you fools I am certainly not the only one who rated DA’s play - most did as they did with all the Boks Classic one Shark let’s have DA and Am mix it up - evidence you know so little about the game Yes DA runs into traffic it’s his fucking job - wake the fuck up
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Aug 2022, 23:17
#30
07 Aug 2022, 23:17#30

Balls kicked into touch …..missed tackles….penalties conceded. …try scoring chances bothched. Nothing accomplished except what any of 7 players could have done, charged into the first tackler.


But he had a great game….got it.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Aug 2022, 23:20
#31
07 Aug 2022, 23:20#31

So with a 3 on 2….the space for Dud to make 15 metres without being challenged there was no option but to hoof the ball into touch….got it.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Aug 2022, 23:21
#32
07 Aug 2022, 23:21#32
His tackle percentage is better than most You bang on about how great Eben was well he made 4 and missed 2 - that’s shit He beat a defender has respectable metres gained per carry You are lying about the try scoring opportunity - it’s bullshit
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,230 posts
07 Aug 2022, 23:31
#33
07 Aug 2022, 23:31#33

It seems Duane Vermuelen is available for the 2nd All Black test. Not clear if he will start, or be on the bench. 

His impact at the breakdown is usually good. Having Vermuelen, Marx and Kwagga on the pitch would make the breakdown invincible. 

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
08 Aug 2022, 12:27
#34
08 Aug 2022, 12:27#34

De Allende have been absolutely rubbish and currently there on reputation. I would far rather have Willemse at 12, bring willie in at 15 and Gelant on the wing. 

I would also get rid of the 5 / 2 split. Makes absolutely no sense to have a player like Moerat on the bench when he only played for 5 minutes when the game was won already. 

Not a fan of Moster, but with Steph at 7 and Mostert and Kwagga on the bench, we have more than enough cover. 

There are talks that Vermeulen is back to full fitness, he can cover 7,8 and Lock if needed as he is use to taking the ball. Can double up as 4 lock. 

But, we need 3 backs, we need backs that can inject pace and keep the opposition on their heels. 

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
08 Aug 2022, 12:33
#35
08 Aug 2022, 12:33#35

But, we need 3 backs, we need backs that can inject pace and keep the opposition on their heels.

I'm inclined to throw in backs who love to run, have good hands and who think. Does that rule out De Allende?

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
08 Aug 2022, 13:22
#36
08 Aug 2022, 13:22#36

Listen up, Stupid ... Ass Kisser Rassie has invested a lot in many sub standard club players.

What are you on about?

It's not only De Lindy. There's many more.

Look at Kolisi. A sub standard club player if ever there was one.

Rassie even admitted to us all that Quota Kolisi needed to attend extra classes after hours to learn how to play on the open side flank.

He has to assign the fetch role to another member of the team ... ya know ... to take up the slack that this chump leaves unattended.  

Quota Kolisi went to these classes ... did his best ... and then came back with an G.

So Rassie tried him at 8 ... as expected ... Kolisi failed ... he then tried him at 7 but that too was beyond his capability. 

So much time and money wasted on this 2nd rate chump all so Rassie can play the hero.

Usually one expects a good return for your investment. Kolisi can be likened to a deep dark blackhole ... where money and every resource put in vanishes without trace.

He's the same chump he was 5 years ago. ... and you know what ?? ... he's not the only one.

Rassie is determined to keep his hero status with the masses no matter what the cost. 

That's the sad and horrible thing about planting seed. 

If you plant pumpkin ... you wont reap sweetcorn. If you plant sheeeeat ... sheeeeat is what you will get in the end.



CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
08 Aug 2022, 13:24
#37
08 Aug 2022, 13:24#37

Willie at 15 and Gelant on the wing??

Lord have mercy!!



CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
08 Aug 2022, 13:28
#38
08 Aug 2022, 13:28#38

Let's face it ... Wiese is rather disappointing. He's had his crack ... now it's time to look for a real no 8. 

Pensioner Vermuelen can only be an improvement.

 

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
08 Aug 2022, 14:39
#39
08 Aug 2022, 14:39#39

I wonder when Roose will finally get a crack, but if you look at the type of players Rassie selects. Hard grinding forwards with no ball skill other than to bash it up. 

Gone are the days we see the like of Kieran Read that could off load in the tackle and get his backs into space. 

I watched that guy play against the boks and he had an incredible engine and game sense. So much work he did off the ball to create those opportunities. 

I would fall back to his 22 to help his full back, then race up the touchline to try and get a quick throw in. He did that the whole game, always worked. No hands on the hips

Ja, as for kolisi, he is playing a bit better now but why on earth Kwagga not at 6 instead. 

Having Marx, Kwagga and Vermeulen would mean that our backs can thrive off turn over ball

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Aug 2022, 15:07
#40
08 Aug 2022, 15:07#40

Kwagga is what you claim  Roos is - he is a nonentity when it comes to defense and he is really not a ball turnover and protection breakdowns - since he is too small to compete with the heavier opposition layers.

Before you have a nervous breakdown  - Kwagga was praised as top class when he played for 30 minutes against Wales and made ZERO tackles in a recent test.  On Saturday he made 4 tackles and missed 2.   

Vermeeulen has not played decent rugby for more than a year now and was totally outclassed by Roos in the Ulster semi-final.   He is over-the-hill as a player and if selected it would be done on the basis of reputation - not performance.        

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