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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
22 Oct 2013, 18:13
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22 Oct 2013, 18:13#1

uchiha clan kiwis team,,,

1 kevin locke
2 manu vatuvei
3 krinan inu
4 SBW
5 jason nightingale
6 kieran florean
7 shaun johson
8 ben matulino
9 isaac luke
10 warewa hargraves

11 frank paul nuuausala
12 simon mannering (c)
13 alex glenn

14 jesse bromwhich
15 sam kasiano
16 greg eastwood
17 thomas leulai

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
22 Oct 2013, 18:30
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22 Oct 2013, 18:30#2
with RLWC starting this week, i was curious to see who u would pick in ur kiwis team.

this is IMO the best 17 weve got,,,

locke, vatuvei, and SBW give us all a nice x factor in our backs, i alos played SBW in the centers instead of the 2nd row, so that i can have more muscle out there.

inu and nightingale are solid dependable players, guys who have proven their mettle and can be counted on no matter the situation.
SBW would also be in this category.

florean and johnson would be my halves, johonson has the xfactor potential to give us that edge, while florean is prob the toughest flyhalf in the world, theres a very balanced feel to these two as out halves combo.

luke is a no brainer, NZ best hooker easy.

matulino, hargraves and paul nuuausala are going to be the core of our engine room, matulino and his granite left shoulder, hargraves and that feral mongrelness, and paul nuuasala is just too big too strong, same make and modelr as the burgess brothers.
these three will provide very impotant go forward.

glen provides us a nice x factor amongst the forwards, but also the extra bit of beef need in the initial 20-25 mins of the game when ur trying to asset ur authority.

i like mannering as a player, but i only picked him, cos i know that kearny will select the captain.
if it were up to me, i would pick eljah taylor instead, or give jeremey smith a call and tell him to harden the fudge up and come play of the kiwis.
wouldnt surprise me at all if ARL paid jeremy smith to not play, cos hes been one of the top 10 players of the world for the last 4 years.

bromwhich, kasiano and eastwood make up the bulk of my forward reserves, its more important to have go forward ball then sparky x factor, so thats why i selected those three forwards, with eastwood providing all the extra x factor.

leuluai is the natural cover for the bench, he can play fullback, ceneter, halfback, flyhalf and hooker and hes pretty sold too.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
23 Oct 2013, 02:10
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23 Oct 2013, 02:10#3
 Sas, Saffa's dont give a shit about league.....boring, predictable game
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
23 Oct 2013, 02:56
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23 Oct 2013, 02:56#4

 Sasu...looks like you're saving Tuivasa Shek for the Aussies.

....the way i see it is the Rooster players were rested for that warm up game but they'll get a run against Samoa. Kearney will probably retain the core that played Cook Is though?.

 

 He has some great options to chose from and no doubt we'll lose players through injury maybe even first up against Samoa...Samoans like Matai are infamous for their hits and no doubt target the palagi Samoans in the Kiwi team. I'm sure the Kiwis will give as good as they get though.

 

....some are saying SBW will be used as a 2nd rower instead of centre but difficult to know what Kearney is thinking in that regard .

Not a big fan of Mannering either or Locke...My picks are probably way out but i'll have a crack...

 

  1. Nightingale
  2. Vatuvei
  3. Inu
  4. SBW
  5. Tuivasa Shek
  6. Foran
  7. Johnson
  8. Waerea Hargraves
  9. Luke
  10. Bromwich
  11. Nuuausala
  12. Pritchard
  13. Mannering
  14. Leuleuai
  15. Matulino
  16. Kasiano
  17. Eastwood

 

 

 Another configuration might look like...

 

  1. Hoffman
  2. Nightingale
  3. Whare
  4. Inu
  5. Sheck
  6. Foran
  7. Johnson
  8. W-Hargraves
  9. Luke
  10. Kasiano
  11. Mannering
  12. SBW
  13. Pritchard
  14. Nuuausala
  15. Bromwich
  16. Eastwood
  17. Leuleuai

 

 

 

 

NEW ZEALAND

Jesse Bromwich (Melbourne Storm), Greg Eastwood (Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs), Kieran Foran (Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles), Alex Glenn (Brisbane Broncos), Bryson Goodwin (South Sydney Rabbitohs), Josh Hoffman (Brisbane Broncos), Krisnan Inu (Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs), Shaun Johnson (New Zealand Warriors), Sam Kasiano (Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs), Thomas Leuluai (New Zealand Warriors), Kevin Locke (New Zealand Warriors), Issac Luke (South Sydney Rabbitohs), Simon Mannering (New Zealand Warriors), Ben Matulino (New Zealand Warriors), Sam Moa (Sydney Roosters), Jason Nightingale (St George Illawarra Dragons), Frank-Paul Nuuausala (Sydney Roosters), Frank Pritchard (Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs), Elijah Taylor (New Zealand Warriors), Roger Tuivasa-Sheck (Sydney Roosters), Manu Vatuvei (New Zealand Warriors), Jared Waerea-Hargreaves (Sydney Roosters), Dean Whare (Penrith Panthers), Sonny Bill Williams (Sydney Roosters)

 

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BrycyPro4,671 posts
23 Oct 2013, 03:02
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23 Oct 2013, 03:02#5

 Saffex South Africa want to host the next Rugby League World Cup in 2017.

Funny as coz they haven't even got a team in this years event.

Maybe they want to showcase the sport as there's too many soccer players in SA.

 

AUSTRALIA is in line to co-host the 2017 Rugby League World Cup with New Zealand.

The joint proposal was approved yesterday by the Rugby League International Federation, which also approved an expression of interest from South Africa.

Formal bids are due to be submitted next month, with a final decision to be made by next January.

"The Rugby League World Cup is the pinnacle of the sport and is essential to the development of the game at every level,' said RLIF deputy chairman Nigel Wood, who will chair the sub-committee hearing the bids.

"It is fantastic to see three nations all with an active interest in hosting the next tournament that clearly demonstrates a growing, global interest in rugby league."

 

 

10 more reasons to watch the 2013 RLWC....

 

 

 

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/24481185

 

 

 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
23 Oct 2013, 15:41
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23 Oct 2013, 15:41#6
No-one plays league in SA  
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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
23 Oct 2013, 17:58
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23 Oct 2013, 17:58#7
@brycy,

roosters and manly players were all rested for that game.

i love shrek, but just couldnt fit him in anywhere, locke is a poor mans billy slater, but he has got that slater like ability.
vatuvei is a no brainer, tough and fast always hard to put down, and nightngale is just too freaking reliable, u can count on him to do what needs to be done, so shrek is a no go.
as soon as there is an injury to any of the wingers though, i would call in shrek staright away, but if locke is out of the equation, then hoffman gets the nod in the No 1 jersey.

dont get how u cant like locke, but its not an unfamiliar call, o hear it from plenty of other kiwis too, wouldnt have a problem if hoffman gets the nod ahead though, he was one of the best fullbacks in the NRL for the last half of the season, made me wonder about the whole barba going to the broncos and where both would play in 2014.

heres another configuration ive been thinking about,,,

1 k locke
2 m vatuvei
3 a glenn
4 SBW
5 j nigntgale
6 k florean
7 s johnson
8 j bromwhich
9 i lukes
10 w hargraves
11 b matulino
12 s mannering
13 r pritchard

14 s kasiano
15 g eastwood
16 f paul nuuasala
17 t leuluai

big fan of pritchard, but couldnt fit him in my original team.

made SBW and geln as my center pairing, they may not be the most traditional center combination, but they will be the meanest on the field.
having all that muscle in the midfield means we can have more muscle on the paddock which will give us an edge in any armwrestling matches most likely from england and australia.

just hope kearby dosent fuck up his team selections like he did his squad selections, i mean no lewis brown or kevin proctor???
two bad calls IMO.
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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
23 Oct 2013, 18:02
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23 Oct 2013, 18:02#8
@ saffex,

im surprised that saffas never embraced the game of league, as it really does fit into to their love of big players.

if ur ever bored, u should check out this one guy called greg ingliss, this freak of nature is 6ft 5 and 108kgs and is center with a special ability of making other superstars look like children.
one of the insanest athletes ive ever seen and i reckon u would go gaga for the guy.

i wish this dude played union, cos hes too fast too furious,
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
23 Oct 2013, 23:15
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23 Oct 2013, 23:15#9

 Sasu.. not a big fan of any of the warriors players except maybe Johnson- even vatuvei has had some real shockers...Make Foran captain and dump Mannering too lol

 

...bit of a conundrum for kearney in the centres who to pick out of Inu, Whare and Goodwin, Glenn alongside SBW - one of the reasons why SBW will probably be used as a second rower due to that oversupply of centres... So i think you might have to change yr selections again and put SBW in the forwards...

 

Leuleuai might need replacing while yr at it as he's not traininig - also hammy probs so maybe locke will take his place...?

 

Plenty of wingers too but Tuivasa Shek won the Dally M so i'd rate him above Vatuvei as he's not the sharpest tool in the toolbox ,defensive errors,hamstring problems etc

 

Looking forward to the team being announced to play Samoa though. I see Samoa are at a bit of a loss as to what happened with Asotasi ??? He was supposed to be the captain and he baled lol.

Who do you reckon is strongest out of Samoa and Tonga? I see Tongas got a star studded team and they beat Samoa earlier in the year.

 

BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
25 Oct 2013, 22:47
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25 Oct 2013, 22:47#10

 Sasu looks like Nightingale and Inu have missed out in the team to play Samoa.

It was always a case of who was gunna get left out though. Kearney wants to capitalise on the Roosters energy by the looks after their NRL win so they're all in.

 

Did'nt realise Matai was'nt in the Samoan team. So without players like him, Asotasi and Lima missing Samoa's not as strong as i thought it would be. Tonga looking stronger than Samoa you would think. Still Samoa's a team packed full of NRL and Super League players so not to be taken lightly.

 

Leuleuai is also out for the Kiwis with a groin strain. SBW looks to be playing in the second row - pretty strong forward pack all round for the Kiwis.

 

Team named to play Samoa

 

 

KIWIS: Josh Hoffman, Roger Tuivasa-Sheck, Dean Whare, Bryson Goodwin, Manu Vatuvei, Kieran Foran, Shaun Johnson, Jared Waerea-Hargreaves, Issac Luke, Jesse Bromwich, Frank Pritchard, Sonny Bill Williams, Simon Mannering. Interchange (from) Elijah Taylor, Sam Kasiano, Sam Moa, Frank-Paul Nu'uausala, Greg Eastwood, Ben Matulino.

 

In other league news Jamaica has been awarded full member status of de Rugby League International Federation at de annual meeting of de general assembly in Cardiff.  Can imagine there'd be able to produce a few speed merchants.

Just shows league is really growing as a global sport.

 

Russia and the Ukraine also awarded full membership status while Canada, Latvia and Malta were accepted as affiliate members of the European Federation.

 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Oct 2013, 17:50
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26 Oct 2013, 17:50#11
What is the point of having scrums in league, they stand there like a bunch of girls and don't even push......watching Oz vs England and cant get over how pathetic the scrums are.

If you are not going to scrum properly with 5 players then why bother having scrums at all?

Not to mention the 9 putting the ball in under the locks feet.

Sas yes has never made sense that SA have never embraced league.
Will keep a look out for Ingliss
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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
26 Oct 2013, 19:19
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26 Oct 2013, 19:19#12
@brycy,

strong team, not sold on dean whare though, but should be more then enough to take care of samoa and their superleague/NRL players.

got no problems with the forward pack, for now, but when we go head to head with england and the kangaroos, that forward packs not going to cut it IMO, too many play making forwards SBW, mannering, pritchard) and not enough engine room forwards (bromwhich and hargraves).

also dont understand how matulino isnt starting, i would have started him ahead of bromwhich everyday of the week and twice on sunday.

the teams still good, but its important for the top team to get as much game time as possible before facing kangaroos, and this forward pack IMO feels like it would get outmuscled by the aussies and english.

as for the game expanding, RLIF can introduce as many countries as they want, but league will be on the world stage a very distant second to union.
take out england, asudtralia and NZ from league and u would have something thats one level better then the aussie rules international scene.
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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
26 Oct 2013, 19:23
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26 Oct 2013, 19:23#13
@saffex,

the scrum is a waste of time, i have often bagged its relevance as it does nothing but give set pieces a chance to roll.

they could do a few things to make it more of a competiton, like enforcing the put it in straight and underneath the hookers/frontrows legs, but que sera sera.

they should really just scrap it and make all scrums a free kick.
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
26 Oct 2013, 22:02
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26 Oct 2013, 22:02#14

 SAsu... i was just trying to talk up league as a global sport so help me out here lol. At least you did'nt mention soccer. But all the engine room forwards you mention Waerea Hargraves , Bromwich and Matulino are all named in the forwards to play Samoa so not sure what you mean by not gunna cut it?

 

I see our main weakness is in the backs with the absence of Benji not helping. Don't know if we have got enough flair to compete one on one with the Aussies. Our defence is gunna have to be rock solid.

 

Poms did'nt play too badly against the Aussies either so they are also a team that could give us problems.One game at a time though.... 

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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
27 Oct 2013, 13:16
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27 Oct 2013, 13:16#15
 @brycy,

its not samoa im worried about, its england and OZ and when i say engine room forwards, i mean in the starting line up not just on the bench.

i also see our main weakness in the backline, that backline gives me little confidence TBH, but then again it is only samoa, think we need a bit more against the fanger countries of OZ and eng.

and i agree, the POMs did look a little dangerous, made the aussies work, just wish they took out a few aussie key players in the process any one of the 12 superstars would have done, lolz,
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
27 Oct 2013, 15:17
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27 Oct 2013, 15:17#16
 Kangeroos beat the England BUT didn't Italy beat England in a pre-tournement game?
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
27 Oct 2013, 16:37
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27 Oct 2013, 16:37#17

Yea Hakwa but don't be fooled by the poms. They play a suprisingly fast paced game.

Firstly that warm up game was England fielding 24 players players to give everyone a run.

 Secondly against OZ they had two tries up on the Aussies at 10 -0 before the Aussies knew what even hit them so gave them a fright before the Aussies fought back.

 

 Thirdly they're playing in whats near enough to in their own backyard.

Fourthly our record is'nt that great against England so it;s all uphill.

There is also the NH interpretation of the rules and shorter in-goal areas that might affect things.

 

 Minnichello brothers for Italy were awesome in their game against England though and yesterday starred in the demolition of Wales so the Italian team are no slouches either.

Anthony Minnichello and Aidiann Guerra are the Italian Sydney Roosters connection and scored a few tries.

 

Italy's even got a Maori in their team i think Dean Parata (Parramata)sounds like a Maori name anyway also scored against England as hooker and impresses with his runs out of dummy.

 

Man of the match for Italy yesterday though was Mantellato the tall goal kicking backup winger from the Newcastle Knights . So Italy is packed with Super league and NRL players and one of the minnows but dangerous.

 

Sasu...The game plan for the Kiwis is high completion , low penalty. Building pressure and force mistakes, lots of inside passes and abit of the old 'smash em bro'.  

 

We can't play the Aussies game but we got the human wrecking balls to break the line like Sam Kasiano aka Dogzilla - 1.96m and 130kgs , Roosters hitman Jared Waerea Hargraves also knocking on 130 kgs i think - not to mention SBW who should also rattle a few bones and slip a few good passes . Can't leave out Frank 'the Tank'  Pritchard - boy so much agro in our team i hope no one gets suspended lol...

 

See one of the Burgess bros faces suspension and might get done after smashing Sam Thaiday high yesterday so we gotta be careful...

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BrycyPro4,671 posts
29 Oct 2013, 01:12
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29 Oct 2013, 01:12#18

 Was a bit like watching a Warriors game against Samoa . Mannering and Vatuvei are playing well so i take back what i said about Warriors players. Not an eighty minute performance though by the Kiwis so bit like the Warriors in that respect.

 

Kearney is to give the rest of the team a run against France so Vatuvei will probably be giving his ankle a rest and Nightingale will be able to show his wears. Speaking of Knights wingers,Akuila Uate just got a hattrick for Fiji against Ireland.

 

Nu'uausala also took a knock and will get a rest. Otherwise given all the big hits we were lucky not to have more injuries.

 

Kearney is hinting that the centre combo is not the best defensively leaking tries and some players have put their positions at risk. I'm picking Goodwin is gone. Whare got man of the match so i'd say he's fairly safe at centre.

Makes you wonder what difference missing players Asotasi, Lima and Matai would have to the Samoan attack.

 

So it will be a different looking Kiwi team that plays France giving Kearney another chance to experiment with combinations before we meet England. No use thinking about Australia until we can put the poms away though. Speaking of poms, I see Burgess is suspended for one game against Ireland for his swinging arm that left Sam Thaiday semi concussed.

 

Looking good in the OZpicks comp at this stage ranked 2/550. Don't tell me thats you Sasu thats ahead of me???

 

 

 

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
29 Oct 2013, 19:16
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29 Oct 2013, 19:16#19
kiwis and toa samoa game went pretty much as expected, samoas 3 trys in that 8min spell was bit worrying, kiwis got a little compalacent with all that good frist half effort and let them in, thyere going to want to cut that out when they face england or OZ who IMO are the teams to beat.

hard to really judge how the kiwis went, even though the result was good, but samoa as an opposition is just not where it is to be considered areal threat, even with their NRL and superleague stars.

i loved shrek in that match though, and while i like nightingales reliability, shreks x factor cant be denied.

IMO kearny should play his top team which was pretty much what we saw against samoa (though i would still change a few here and there)
and then play the others against PNG, our last match before the finals.


were going to need the core of the main team to be battle hardened, and the french are tougher then PNG, even if they were lucky to get away with a win.

dean whare got man of the match and in the first hlaf he was awesome, but his 2nd half was a too quiet to justify the MOTM, i would have given it to mannering who had a good captains knock.

"Looking good in the OZpicks comp at this stage ranked 2/550. Don't tell me thats you Sasu thats ahead of me???"
and no bother brycy, thats not me ahead of u,

might i just also add how very convenient of u to mention that comp after the RLWC has started,
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
30 Oct 2013, 23:31
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30 Oct 2013, 23:31#20

 Expected to take a big hit after the Bravehearts rolled Tonga but looks like 549 other people picked Tonga to win as well lol... those canny Scots you cannae ever right them off.Definitely a strip in that last Tongan try though...and a half adozen others disallowed a bit suspect but Tonga also far too laid back.

 If the USA doesn't beat the Cook IS in a couple of hours then no doubt the ranking will take a big dive. 

I see Sonny Bill Williams has been left out of the Kiwis side to play France in Avignon on Saturday morning as coach Stephen Kearney continues to rotate his squad.

 

Kearney has kept his promise to give every player a run in the first two games of World Cup, but the absence of Williams - arguably one of the tournament's biggest drawcards - is sure to disappoint spectators who have bought tickets for the game.

 

The Kiwis team is significantly different from the one that overcame Samoa with a scratchy performance in Warrington last Monday. When it comes to the All Blacks "rotation" is a dirty word, but for the Kiwis it's a case of necessity as Kearney attempts to settle on what he hopes will be winning combinations for the latter stages of the tournament.

 

All seven players who missed the 42-24 win over Samoa come into the team, while Williams and six others drop out.

"The idea right from the start of the tournament was to give everyone an opportunity to stake a claim for a position and that hasn't changed because of the performance against Samoa on Sunday (Monday NZT)," Kearney said.

 

In regards to Williams, Kearney felt it was best for him to skip the game.

"He will be better for the performance (against Samoa)," he said. "He picked up a couple of bumps and bruises. He would have been right to play on Friday, (local time) but I wanted to give Alex Glenn an opportunity and also get some more time into Frank Pritchard."

 

Thomas Leuluai was due to play his first game of the tournament, partnering Warriors teammate Shaun Johnson in the halves having missed the warm-up game against the Cook Islands and the Samoan test because of a groin injury.

But having pulled up in training and his World Cup participation now in doubt, he was been replaced in the line-up by Kieran Foran.

 

The wings are the most contentious spots for the Kiwis with Jason Nightingale and Roger Tuivasa-Sheck getting the nod ahead of Manu Vatuvei for the French test.

"Manu picked up knock to the knee and ankle (against Samoa) and he might not be able to train fully this week," Kearney said.

"It was always my intention to give Jason Nightingale a run this week. Roger Tuivasa-Sheck had a good game against Samoa and it will be good for him to have another game this week."

 

As for the centres, Krisnan Inu gets a run while Bryson Goodwin has another chance to impress.

"Krisnan didn't play last week and I was always going to roll him out," Kearney said.

"I know Bryson didn't have the best of games on Sunday and I wanted to give him the opportunity to try to fix that."

For the final pool game, against Papua New Guinea next week, Kearney is likely to mix it up again before settling on his best 17 for the quarterfinals. 

 

 

 

New Zealand: Kevin Locke, Jason Nightingale, Bryson Goodwin, Krisnan Inu, Roger Tuivasa-Sheck, Kieran Foran, Shaun Johnson, Ben Matulino, Issac Luke, Jared Waerea-Hargreaves, Frank Pritchard, Alex Glenn, Simon Mannering. Interchange: Elijah Taylor, Sam Kasiano, Frank-Paul Nu'uausala, Greg Eastwood.

- © Fairfax NZ News

  
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