"Name a single occasion where JJ has been bounced" - Saffex

Here we go, a rather splendid demonstration of JJ being dominated... repeatedly! Interestingly it's in the same game you referenced his great attacking qualities, so this must have been in mind, surely.

 I know of a certain chap who made the ridiculous claim that JJ was dragged five meters by de Jongh every time JJ tackled him.   When it was statistically proven to be a lie - it was not accepted and is still repeatedly used despite the fact that proven to be a lie.

De Jongh's stats for that match was as follows:-

Now lets analyse that statement again.   De Jongh had 6 ball carries - one of which represented a gain in territory of circa 12 meters where he beat one defender (JJ).  The other five times his territory gain was less than 2 meters each - so how he dragged JJ five meters every time was statistically impossible and the normal deception by that member.  De Jongh did not power through JJ like it is falsely claimed by the member - but what is clear is that our resident Herr Goebbels is at it again - repeat a lie often enough and it may become accepted as the truth.

Unfortunately I have been unable to get the video for the game...but two incidents stand out from memory. De Jongh beats JJ up the left touchline and is only stopped because Ndungane intervenes. De Jongh smacks into JJ 2 metres outside his 22 and is only brought down inside the 22.Probably 10 m for the first break and nearly 5 for the second near break.

Here are JJs stats to put next to de Jongh, you will notice he misses 4 tackles in 9....most of which were on de Jongh I'm guessing. The fact is he never made one clean tackle on the Stormers centre....he needed help almost every time:

Herr Goebbels

I had the stats and saw what happened during that game.   Your statement was clear and is now being watered down.   You said that De Jongh dragged Engelbrecht five meters every time he attempted to tackle him.  I referred to the case of the missed tackle where De Jongh did make about 12 meters in total 0 the other cases were a figment of your imagination.  What you say now is vastly different from what you said previously. 

By the way - I have doubts about Engelbtecht's defence as well - but I do not use deception to prove how good other players are - such was the case here - and how bad JJ is.   I agree his tackling in this game was poor - but I five exact examples of where he failed -- I do not manufacture examples and put a twist to it through deception.

Stick to facts and not deception and everything will be fine.

Mozart

Initially your comment was not on the issue of the defence of JJ - it was  the fact that previously you mentioned that every time JJ endeavoured tackling De Jongh dragged him five meters.  I published De Jongh's stats to prove that it was impossible - now you have it down to twice, which is also virtually impossible taking into account the fact that De Jongh handled the ball only 6 times - once gaining about 12 meters - leaving him 9 meters for the other 5 times.   Beating him JJ happened only once and De Jongh only broke one tackle.  

Still very farfetched and extremely prejudicial.   Stick to the facts and you will find I support you in dealing with Engelbrecht's defensive deficiencies.   

Sun Tzu

I know the topic deals with the Samoan match - but in that match S loth Alberts missed two tackles - resulting in Samoan tries. - Why concentrate on Engelbrecht when more real bugger ups were made by Sloth?

If you interpret Stats differently - what and how do you d that?   Would love to see the joke - so please don't threaten - just tell me what it is you do to arrive at different results. 

Stats are useful and send a lot of false statements into orbit - and it really confirms the real situation.      

 Smith gets his head on the wrong side and knocks himself out. JJ leans a bit into the tackle, but it's the position of Smith's head that's the problem. That could have been Nokwe carrying the ball, the result would have been the same, but this little myth has been one of the major props under the wobbly JJ edifice.

Of more relevance the Bulls actually have space outside, but JJ takes on the tackle and turns into the cover. A more aware centre should have given the Bools a scoring chance.

 Sin Tzu

This time  I agree with you - wings are in general notoriously poor in ball handling/passing.   However, you may be able to help out here,   I did not know whether De Jongh ever played at wing.   His ball handling skills are macabre - if he did not move from wing to center - he must have developed that deficiency while playing at center..