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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
04 Aug 2016, 16:42
#1
04 Aug 2016, 16:42#1

Make it a squad of 35......yours not a politically correct one


My 35


15. Willie


14/11. Combrink / Ulengo / Ismiel / Sergeal Petersen


13/12. de Allende / Kriel / Janse v/Rensburg / Serfontein / Frans Venter


10. Jantjies / Lambie / Goosen


9. Faf / Groom


1/3. Kitshoff / Nyakane / Marcel v/d Merwe / Koch / Coenie


2. Bismark / Marx / Strauss


4/5. Lood / PSDT / Etzebeth / Willemse / RG Snyman


6/7/8. Kriel / Notshe / Jacques du Plessis / Kirsten / Arno Botha / Mostert / du Preez

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Aug 2016, 17:06
#2
04 Aug 2016, 17:06#2
 I'm not saying there are obvious replacements, but I have eliminated players who won't make it in tests. Those are the ones I am sure of, but many of the others are dubious...the wings other than Combrink, Goosen and Kirsten. Some of these are positional...Lambie is fine at 15 and Mostert has a better shot at lock, although I agree he lacks test grunt.


15. Willie


14/11. Combrink / Ulengo / Ismiel / Sergeal Petersen


13/12. de Allende / Kriel / Janse v/Rensburg / Serfontein / Frans Venter


10. Jantjies / Lambie / Goosen


9. Faf / Groom


1/3. Kitshoff / Nyakane / Marcel v/d Merwe / Koch / Coenie


2. Bismark / Marx / Strauss


4/5. Lood / PSDT / Etzebeth / Willemse / RG Snyman


6/7/8. Kriel / Notshe / Jacques du Plessis / Kirsten / Arno Botha / Mostert / du Preez

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
04 Aug 2016, 19:59
#3
04 Aug 2016, 19:59#3
 @Dave.
In all seriousness and with no k@ksoek and banter intended, I have lost faith in Willie and I have done so quite some time ago. My choice at FB would go to Goosen. He has proved himself to be more than a handy fullback at Racing Metro this last season and in addition, he has also slipped into the 13 jersey with ease. Something that I would not have thought possible at all. 
I have been accused by a certain old friend of constantly rubbishing Goosen, and that is not the case. I had an issue with him at flyhalf and I still have my doubts.
I do not know how it happened that Mike has not yet picked up on the fact that the Goosen was Rugbyrama, a French rugby site, Top 14 player of the season. The Rugbyrama staff, however have voted him in the third spot behind Toulon's Josua Tuisavo and your other favourite, Montpellier's Jacques Du Plessis.
These are two translated articles from Rugbyrama, worth the read, IMO:

TOP 14 - And to think that Johan Goosen could be fired Racing 92 ...

After adding three distant penalties at key moments of the Barcelona final, Johan Goosen (23) has helped to mentally plunge Toulon and initiate the coronation of his team. Ask the coaches duo Ile what his part in this year stamped Racing, he will tell you that having South African in its workforce"was a pure blessing" . Carter , Talès or both were hurt or needed blow ? No problem, Goosen was! Dulin tired? Goosen! More Carter nor Machenaud on the lawn to stumble? Goosen again! A shortage in the center in the final sprint? Guess who ! There has never played? Okay, "Roadrunner" can do everything.

"Regardless of his position on the field, it can be excellent" , assures fellow Juandré Kruger . It is super fast and can make the difference with his races. It also offers a nice option on the kicking game and it's also a smart player. For me, Johan is probably one of the best rugby players in the world and must play again for the Springboks (there are 6 selections with the South Africa , Ed).But his greatest talent is surely to have been able go through after hitting the bottom in the respect of his coaches.

Labit had set an ultimatum

Hard to believe in this concert more legitimate praise he was once the ugly duckling. Little reminder. Arrived at the club in the summer of 2014, he managed the first full week promises before disappearing game sheets. The reason, Laurent Labit evokes the end of last season, with harsh words for his players. "We expected more seriousness on the part of a boy his age. We have given him time to integrate the first six months because he is young, but there are things that a professional should do and take. he must get back on track if he wants to play. he still has two years of contract with us. he knows it must change course, otherwise there is a good chance he will not be there the third year " . The warning is violent, the young man on probation.

"He was a victim of a culture shock on arrival and was shaken to its foundations" , says the former journalist Ian Borthwick , at the time head of communications of the Racing and French teacher for foreign players. "He n was not well in his shoes and he did a rejection of all that was French. he did not make the effort to learn the language. he did not attend classes, was done chambering and why has paid the price " . " When you come from South Africa and as you disembark here, you're away from your family, your friends and part of life you have known there " , says flanker Antonie Claassen . "He loved its spaciousness, its nature, so obviously the change was significant and not necessarily obvious to him in the Paris region" .

Although in his head, in his well pumps

Forced to revise his behavior Goosen finds refuge in work, put a veil on his spleen and returned changed. "In the off season, he has matured and changed optical and attitude" confirms Ian Borthwick . "he understood that if he wanted to stay at Racing, he had to make an effort to learn French and to adapt a little to the country lifestyle. and seeing other South Africans as François van Antonie Claassen der Merwe or successfully integrate and communicate, he had to say, "Damn, I missed something" " .

The efforts seen and heard by Laurent Labit, who granted him a second chance and has not looked back. Healthy Mind, empowered by his recent fatherhood, Goosen became a nugget sacred and could regain the Springboks next Four Nations. The time when it was drying French lessons already seems far away.

 

And then this, article a week after the one above:

 

TOP 14 - Johan Goosen (Racing 92) voted player of the season by Internet

TOP 14 - With 25% of the vote, you have appointed the three-quarters of Racing Johan Goosen as the best player of the season in the Top 14. We find one of his teammates on the podium: Maxime Machenaud.

Real strongman of the end of the season and clinched the title by Racing 92 , Johan Goosen clearly kicking you in the eye. You elected - with 25% of the vote - the best player of the season in the Top 14. A great distinction for the genuine Swiss Army knife (he held 9 times in the back, 3 and 3 to open the center this season) which was not that far from being "transfer" of the Paris club last year . At 23, his finals were high-flying, including several long-distance penalties (3 final againstToulon ) or a test in a half against Clermont.

He beat Toulon winger Josua Tuisova , author of twelve tests and another racingman, the international scrum half Maxime Machenaud. Opener Pau Colin Slade and flanker ClermontCamille Gérondeau fail off the podium.

RankPlayerNumber of votes (in%)

1Johan Goosen (Racing 92)25

2Josua Tuisova (Toulon)17

3Maxime Machenaud (Racing 92)11

4 tieCamille Gérondeau (Clermont)10

4 tieColin Slade (Pau)10

The editorial had for its part voted for Josua Tuisova, Johan Goosen being placed in 3rd place.See our ranking here

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
04 Aug 2016, 20:56
#4
04 Aug 2016, 20:56#4
 Cera, I  tend to agree with you on this. I think Goosen will add a lot of value to the Boks and I  agree that we should move on from Willie....for now at least.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,265 posts
04 Aug 2016, 21:24
#5
04 Aug 2016, 21:24#5
 Goosen will be a good utility back. 
My only concern is that with Faff and Jantjes we already have 2 small players in the backline, before adding Goosen to the mix. 
Willie has been poor for sometime now. I would rather play him on the wing where he has less defensive duties at the back. 
Goosen is a very good long distance touch finder- and he can kick from within the opposition half for poles
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,265 posts
04 Aug 2016, 21:30
#6
04 Aug 2016, 21:30#6
How about a backline of


15. Goosen


14/11. Combrink and JP and Sergeal Pieterson


13. Mapoe


12.  Rohan Janse v/Rensburg / Delande


10. Jantjies /Goosen


9. Faf 


1/3. Kitshoff / Nyakane 


2. Bismark / Marx / Strauss


4/5. Lood / PSDT / Etzebeth / Willemse / RG Snyman


6/7/8. Kriel, a clone of Kriel and another clone of Kreil


    CE
    CeradynePro9,374 posts
    04 Aug 2016, 22:22
    #7
    04 Aug 2016, 22:22#7
     @SB. I get cold shivers when a player gets the utility back tag, especially in SA rugby. It, more often than not, becomes the kiss of death. Goosen has certainly hardened up in France and while he has taken quite a few knocks early on he has been injury free the last season. I can remember, early on in his stint at RM, when he was clearly rattled after a good solid tackle against Clermont. That has not happened in the last NH season. Check this:
    https://youtu.be/WM9jhmhUEnE
    CL
    CleanCutPro9,905 posts
    05 Aug 2016, 09:09
    #8
    05 Aug 2016, 09:09#8
     Ceradyne ... I just realised something ... I don't think I've ever seen a team of yours.
    How come?
    Commit yourself to a squad of sorts. Let us see how you think?
    My squad of 31 is as follows.
    1. Kitshoff, 2. Marx, 3. Redelinghuys, 4. Etsebeth, 5. Mostert, 6. Jaco Kriel (cpt), 7. PS Du Toit, 8. Vermeulen, 9. Faff, 10. Lambie, 11. Skosan, 12. Janse van Rensburg, 13. Vorster, 14. Combrinck, 15. Mahuza
    16. Marutllule, 17. Dylan Smith, 18. Koch, 19. Snyman, 20. Whiteley, 21. Groom, 22. Jantjies, 23. Mapoe

    Bismarck, Du Toit, Dreier, Willemse, Notshe, Venter, Koch Marx, Goosen.
       


    SA
    Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
    05 Aug 2016, 11:25
    #9
    05 Aug 2016, 11:25#9

    Oh boy Moz the biggest issue with your takes is that Kriel, Serfontein, Lambie, Coenie and Marcel have already made it at test level, so not worth a comment.


    Groom has been very good for the Stormers this year and his display for the SA A side confirmed he has what it takes to play test rugby......far, far better option than the likes of Pienaar or Paige. 


    Jacques du Plessis could just be the best blindside in the game right now, your take on this player proves your rugby ignorance


    Notshe will have a long Bok career......for two reasons, he is probably the best ball player of all our lossies and is of course the right colour. His display for the SA A side was sublime. Great talent.


    Mostert has probably been our best forward all year, along with Jaco Kriel.....just too good and visible not to make it at the highest level, but I would play him as a flanker


    Arno Botha is as good as CJ Stander and has rediscovered him form this year......easily make it as a test 8


    Moz as per usual I just have to laugh at you......but that's never going to change

    SA
    Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
    05 Aug 2016, 11:30
    #10
    05 Aug 2016, 11:30#10

    Vlag I hear you regarding Willie, he has not been in the greatest form but equally he has not been that bad.


    For me once a player is identified and produced such a high level, you show faith and invest in him. Class is perm, form temp......the same applied to Mike Brown of England, not in the greatest form this year, but Jones stuck with him.


    I'm not sure I'd start Willie, but one thing I would never do is drop him from the squad, that is just short sighted and shows poor player management.


    As for Goosen, he has always been a class act and I have always laughed at the ignorant fools who have doubted him......but I only see him as a 10, much like Lambie.


    I prefer my centres and fullbacks to be a bit more physical. Goosen would probably be ahead of Lambie as my bench 10 right now. 

    SA
    Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
    05 Aug 2016, 11:32
    #11
    05 Aug 2016, 11:32#11

    CC, Lambie ahead of Jantjies is laughable 


    Mahuza at 15....bwhaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


    Vorster is out injured for the year

    MO
    MozartCaptain49,914 posts
    05 Aug 2016, 16:13
    #12
    05 Aug 2016, 16:13#12
     Arno Botha is as good as CJ Stampkar? Come now even I think he is better than that.
    SA
    Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
    05 Aug 2016, 17:04
    #13
    05 Aug 2016, 17:04#13
    Good one Moz - I'll give you that one!!  
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