Newe Tendency on Site

In the past we always had a  tendency where -

*   a few members support the election of pklayers based on age and reputation - without any regard to performance; and 

*    others who believe that age and reputation is only a norm when it is accompanied by proven performance.

Another noticeable deviation is iro performance by NH club players.   We always remember how blatantly unfit club players are when called up to play for the Springboks.   We all remember the case of Frans Steyn - who came back from Europe in 2012 in shocking physical condition and how poor he was since then.   He came back last year to play from the bench.   The fact was he was grossly unfit and when he followed up on a kicked ball he was out of breath after running about 50 meters,

There have been other club players who failed in the period 2015 to 2017 as well and those included W Alberts, Morne Steyn and all the misfits in Meyer's WC squad,    

There has been other cases as well - so the insistence that players like Vermeulen should only be considered for selection if he proves that he still qualify for such selection this year.  After all  his stint at Toulon did not cover him in glory.

Personally I am not opposed to the selection of NH Club players - but those should be strictly limited since it is not possible to really assess their performances based on club games and there is always a problem with integrating the players into the squad since there is no real possibility to get them into the system befo re test matches.   For that reason there should be indisputable reason for such selection.

At this stage I think that there may be only one or two players to be considered and th only one I consider as a candidate is Le Roux.    

a third category also exists

*   a few members support the non- selection of players based on age and reputation - without any regard to performance

LMAO

Whoever said that Meyer's selections in 2015 was any better than Coetzee's was in 2017 - both were based on BS - remember Japan in 2015.   Both coaches were real BS and Mozart  ans Mozart supported both in the past,  

"Proven" performances...?

Seriously?

Please elaborate.

As far as I can tell there are but a handful of players that have "proven" themselves.

Which of our backline players have "proven" themselves? How about our back row?

I can't seem to remember any one of our players selected to the bench dazzling us. Most of them didn't even play.

Right now ... we have a tight 5 of Kitshoff, Marx, Louw, Etzebeth and Du Toit that have undoubtedly proven themselves over and over again.

We have seen Whiteley prove himself not only as our best 8th man but as the man who stands head and shoulders above everyone else as captain. We have also seen Jaco Kriel impress while playing out of position. Anyone with a brain would have selected him at 6.

The rest of the squad as far as I'm concerned are all inept, so I'm really not sure who in this "Springbok team ranked sixth based on “proven” performance" impressed you so?!!

You and I view "proven performances" very differently it seems.

CC

I have a problem with Coetzee and his selections.   I would not have selected the backline Coetzee insisted upon.   I think he left out of contention real backline players like Janse van Rensburg, Vorster and Combrinck and he made an utter fool of himself coming to his game plan - if there was in fact one.

I sincerely believe that Super Rugby should be the competition where performers identify themselves.    A player who fail top perform on that should never be selected for the Springboks.   

Some of the members in the past claimed that through some miracle a non-performer on SR level would suddenly become a performer on Springbok level - to my mind that is utter BS,

So lets wait and see who performs the best on Super Rugby level - we need a total adjustment of the backline especially - so lets wait and see what happens.  

We had Jake White who won a world cup and was fired. We Had Meyer who came within a penalty (given by that disgraceful backline wannabee wee Matfiled) of beating the wee abs. 

IF wee Matfiledd had not thrown the game away we would have been in the final and Meyer would have won a RWC. (Winning the World Cup though may not have saved Meyer as RWC winning coaches are not what SARU like)

Any sensible person should know we have the pla yers but not the policies or brain power to put it all together. Its as clear as daylight but the blind cant see! Hahahahahhahahahaha

So there was no penalty turnaround - another example of rank ignorance and disputing of facts.

Super Ru gby is not the only norm for selection , but you give an alternative and don't tell us that reputation is still your only norm,

However, name players who flopped on Super Rugby level and made the grade as test players - careful here the flops on Super Rugby level ALL flopped on test level.     

As to be expected - total rugby ignorance is supreme in he case  of Mozart.    Answer simple rugby questions dumbo..