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Nienaber vs Swys

Started by Mozart11 REPLIES814 VIEWS· 10 Dec 2019, 17:10
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Dec 2019, 17:10
#1
10 Dec 2019, 17:10#1

Genius and genius. But while Swys on his own was unable to get the job done.....fans appear to be taking comfort from Erasmus' hand holding role. Still I can think of one case in sports or business where that model has worked.


Not dispositive , but an interesting parallel.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
10 Dec 2019, 18:04
#2
10 Dec 2019, 18:04#2

How do you know what the model will be? ...or what it was during and prior to the RWC?

I'm agreeing with you about how it looks and I also agree that the head coach should be the one who makes the important calls and the one responsible for their performance, but maybe things aren't so simple and maybe Nienabeber was already phased into the position over the last 18 months or so???

Rassie planned the RWC in detail, maybe handing over the reins was planned too...probably more than maybe if Rassie is the planner I think he is?

I know you don't agree with that and you think luck played a bigger role, but he deserves the benefit of the doubt for the time being.


sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,246 posts
10 Dec 2019, 18:11
#3
10 Dec 2019, 18:11#3

No Draad wrong again, apologise.

Swys could be good as attack coach for the Boks , especially now that he does not have the responsibility of being a head coach of the Lions. He is currently an assistant coach/consultant at the Kings.


DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
10 Dec 2019, 18:25
#4
10 Dec 2019, 18:25#4

Snark, take you're head out your arse first...

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Dec 2019, 18:41
#5
10 Dec 2019, 18:41#5

Mozart is clueless - he still does not know what organizational structures entail  and do not understand delegating either.   It has worked for centuries throughout the world and he does not know of any case where it worked.  Amazing,     

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Dec 2019, 22:36
#6
10 Dec 2019, 22:36#6

What structure and what principles are you referring to Wanker?

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Dec 2019, 05:00
#7
11 Dec 2019, 05:00#7

Sure in the case there is an organizational structure  at the head of which is the Director of Rugby - appointed about 20 months ago (Erasmus) with two components, namely -

*    the  coaching of the national team making up of the Head Coach  and his assistants; and

*    the identification and development of future professional players,

In the case of second component the situation developed where work is done through provincial structures run by the six franchises - inclusive of their Rugby Academies - overseen by the Director of  Rugby from a management perspective.   

The provincial structure became  over the past decade totally neglected through a total disregard of the linkages between the two major components involved.   That was the ultimate reason why Meyer and Coetzee failed  totally as Head Coaches,   They disregarded the need for professional renewal programs supposedly handled by the franchises as a potential feeding line for national  team renewal.   On franchise level where the development should in fact start off the total collapse of coaching with rare exceptions like Ackerman and Plumtree was malfunctioning for years and they became totally deficient from a developmental perspective.  Where they did produce the goods in development of new players - like Ackerman did for the Lions - the national coach at the time totally ignore Lions players in team selection because of a number of reasons,   The tragic part of that was that where sound game plans were used to develop players - again like in the case of the Lions - the National Head Coach (Meyer) ignored the players totally since the game plan of the Lions could according to him not be used on national level.

The need between the two components in a sound management basis is essential for the future development of professional rugby in SA and especially so in respect of the development and renewal of the national team.   Without sound professional coaching and development of players on franchise level the national team will suffer badly.   In the Meyer era specifically there was no co-ordination  between what happened on national level and on franchise level.   Meyer frequently referred to the need for such co-ordination  and workshops on the issue were held - but after those each coach involved went on his own merry way and whereas both Meyer and Coetzee were deficient coaches anyway - what came out in the end was a negative.

Erasmus was  from 2012 the SARU Director of Rugby and realized that whatever he could do was totally ignored by Meyer and Coetzee,   There was such a huge difference between what Erasmus saw as a viable basis to development of professional rugby that nothing constructive happened in the four years Meyer was the coach.   When Erasmus offered to assist to get the system back on track -  Coetzee rebuffed him and whereas Erasmus could see an even  faster deterioration of rugby under Coetzee, he resigned as Director of Rugby and went to Munster.

In the main Erasmus realized what is required in making the structure work efficiently - there was a need for revising the situation and it is there that a completely different approach was needed,   In this regard especially the situation of the head coach was to ensure that there is indeed a management function that was neglected in the past.   That from happening again in future the overall management of both components are now in the hands of the Director of Rugby with implementation being handled by the Head Coach on National level and the various franchise coaches on provincial level.

The Head Coach has delegated authority to deal with day-to-day coaching activities and implementation of the Springbok team and so has the Head Coaches of other national teams,  When it comes to coaching on test level -the implementation phase will remain the unction of the Head Coach - with the overall coordination  of the issues pertaining to the game plan implementation and team selection being remaining the management function of the Director of Rugby,   The latter will  obviously require close co-ordination between the Director if Rugby and the Head Coach.                             

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Dec 2019, 06:07
#8
11 Dec 2019, 06:07#8

So what happens if the Head Coach wants to play Marx at hooker, and Eraser wants it to be  Bongi?

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
11 Dec 2019, 08:48
#9
11 Dec 2019, 08:48#9

If a car wins awards for its engine, one would assume the the engine's creator was the greatest contributor to it's success and the most likely candidate for promotion.

See where I'm going with this?

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Dec 2019, 08:57
#10
11 Dec 2019, 08:57#10

Mozart

That remains a joint decision on management and implementation level,   It is a much better situation like for instance where Meyer totally ignored Marx and went on his own way with what he decided on.      

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Dec 2019, 15:51
#11
11 Dec 2019, 15:51#11
So the Springboks are going to be run by a committee....and this is state of the art organizational theory?  I think that's also your point Plum.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Dec 2019, 19:57
#12
11 Dec 2019, 19:57#12

Himmell 

The man is totally deluded and stupid - where does the Committee story comes from - braincell?

Would you rather favour the disastrous Meyer and Coetzee system?  

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