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njuries have stunted our season says Coetzee

Started by Beeno17 REPLIES274 VIEWS· 06 Apr 2014, 15:59
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Apr 2014, 15:59
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06 Apr 2014, 15:59#1

Although not the only factor to be fair to Alistair this has been a major problem - never to be acknowledged by wee rooitwit of course! Thsi cretin simply has no grasp of reality!! 


Constant change of personnel as a consequence of regular injuries has taken its toll on the Stormers, according to coach Allister Coetzee.

The Stormers have now replaced the Cheetahs at the bottom of the Super Rugby log following their 22-11 loss to the Waratahs at Newlands on Saturday, marking a sixth defeat in seven matches this season.

"We've had to change personnel week in and week out and many of the players coming in lack experience," Coetzee said after the game in Cape Town.

"Some of them are playing Super Rugby for the first time and have not yet played Currie Cup, we lack experience." 

From the pre-season to the present, long-term injuries have struck hard in the Stormers camp and at various stages, no less than 11 players, including seven Springboks, were sidelined. (The stompies are just making excuses squaks ou rooitwit! 

"What can you say, we are in a bit of a hole at the moment and it is just for this team to get out of that hole," said Coetzee.

"I guess we met the Waratahs at a bad time [because we are depleted] but there is a bye next week and it's a good time to re-look at our plans."

Coetzee explained that the lack of experience has, on occasion, resulted in poor decision-making during games. The outcome was that some players started losing confidence.

"When we get turnover ball, well, in our game plan-that's the ball we run, have a go, have a crack (at the opposition defence)," said Coetzee.

"There are decisions players make during matches which has been really strange to me. It's also strange, when we're in attacking positions we start kicking those balls away. It is a concern and that is why I question the confidence of certain players."

Waratahs coach Michael Cheika echoed Coetzee's sentiments about the timing of the match.

"We got them in a good week. They had just had four weeks on tour, had a few injuries, no Jean de Villiers, no Schalk Burger, no Gio Aplon, so it hurt them," Cheika said. (the tip of the iceberg)

"We wanted put them under a bit of pressure. They were feeling the pressure a bit. You could just feel it in Cape Town that there was expectation on them."

Cheika said he was pleased that his charges took advantage of the situation and managed to record an away win.

"In a season where it seems the ledger of home and away wins is going to be quite important, any away win you get is going to be quite valuable," said Cheika.

"To be fair to the Stormers, we were a week into our three (tour) weeks so we were all feeling sharp.

"So I think we have to be realistic around that too, but we took advantage of the situation, and were able to come away with something."

Stormers stand-in skipper Duane Vermeulen said despite the defeat he remained optimistic for the rest of the season.

"We had a good game plan and executed it well until halftime, but silly little errors during the second half proved our undoing," said Vermeulen.

"When you're on the back foot it's hard to keep your hands down at the ruck. Just the second half, we couldn't execute. There were slight errors, little small mistakes that crept in and that was our problem."

The season depends on what players will come back and when. This squad is top 6 quality barring injuries but will now have to aim for top 10?  Away with ou rooitwit and his o utlandish nonsense!


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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
06 Apr 2014, 16:19
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06 Apr 2014, 16:19#2
Stone last! 15th out of 15!
The Kings put up a better show than the Hapless Stompies!
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha!

Everyone has injuries, Baboon-ou. The Sharks have players injured who are much better and more valuable than any of the weak-arsed Stompies and you don't hear the Sharks supporters snivelling and whining and making all sorts of pathetic excuses.
There's a big difference though. When a Sharks player gets injured . . . and I'm talking world class players like Pieter-Steph du Toit, Pat Lambie, Cobus Reinach and Paul Jordaan, not overrated plodders like Tiaan Liebenberg, Skulk Burger or Rynard Elstadt . . . then there's a Stephan Lewies, Fred Zeilinga or Sbura Sithole to take their place . . . someone with some pride and determination who's going to make the best of his opportunity . . . while the Hapless Stompies and their Blowhard supporters just burst into tears and blubber about how unfair it all is. 
That's the difference . . . and that's why the Sharks are at the top and the Hapless Stompies are at the bottom.
But dry your tears, Baboon-ou because it's not all bad news for you blubbering Blowhards. Look on the bright side, whatever happens, the Stompies won't suffer another humiliating defeat next weekend!
LMAO!
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
06 Apr 2014, 16:24
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06 Apr 2014, 16:24#3
 why do you keep punishing yourself Beeno ?
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Apr 2014, 17:06
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06 Apr 2014, 17:06#4
 Beeno
I think the problem goes much deeper than injuries - sure they do impact on teams - it goes to player management and identification.
This started off with - 
*   failure to retain quality players;*   failure to identify and attract quality players; and*   failure to select players that can make a difference
The list of Stormer players who left the franchise is virtually endless.  The reason they left was certainly due to attractive salaries being paid in Europe - but also due to poor player management and usage.  Good players were ignored or rarely used and they became despondent about their rugby futures.
Lets look at the recent history.   Coetzee was all agog about signing player agreements with Jantjies and Taute.   Jantjies had serious deficiencies and should never have been signed.   Taute promised quite a lot - but turned out to be a dud signing as well.   Coetzee also turned to Carizza - who also was not Super 15 quality.
There has been a persistent problem with the Storners in respect of key positions - namely at flyhalf and at hooker.   The list of flyhalfs of dubious quality goes back a long time.   Grant was the best of the lot when he was avialable - but Grant also has his deficiencies.  Catrakilis last year promised a lot for thee Kings - this year he delivered near to zero.  Add to that list Jantjies, Van Aswegen and Coleman - and the question is how low can you go?   
Don't tell me they did not have opportunities to identify and obtain good flyhalfs.  They should have retained and developed Swiel and they could have got Boshoff 0 who was playing for the Bulls - before going to the Lions.
At hooker the story was the same - they have on hooker that helps in scrumming and two who produces nothing of the kind - namely  Fourie and Ntubeni.  A scrum requires a hooker that can provide balance in as well as  scrumming strength - not only hooking and sometimes looking reasonably good in loose play.   And Liebenberg is past it - he is at a stage in his career where he is more injured than actually playing.
Then you have the lock and loosie porblem - here the problem relates to injuries, but they should have at least 5 quality locks and they only have at most three.  Aty loosie Fourie is really not the player he was last year and neither is Kolisi and Rhodes is a 7 not a lock.   They have no back up at 8 as well.
Smal has a serious problem to face and the sooner they start developing a resonable squad the better.  This year they should write off and start looking at what can help for next year.   They can only do that by looking at a new crop of players and see who can develop further.
*   Full back -  I would forget about Taute and see whether EW Viljoen cannot develop further.  Start giving him substantial playing time.
*   Keep van Wyk on the wing - he is worth further development - raw, but at least promising.
*   the mess at flyhalf is so profound - heaven knows what they can do.   The bottom has indeed fallen out.
*   try and find a replacement hooker - who can produce the goods in scrumming and also knows how to throw balls into line outs - forget about Fourie and Ntubeni.
*   Fourie was below par this year - wherever he played.  But when they have fixed up their tight 5 play  he may be more than useful at 6.   Kolisi was seriously deficient this year and is at best a back up 6.  Use Rhodes or Elstadt at 7 and start praying that Etzebeth and Steenkamp come back into the lock positions sooner rather than later.   
*   Identify at least a few other loosies from their Under 21 team and build them up into replacement status.      
There is too much dead wood in their present crop of players - time to start weeding them out and start preparing for a better season next year since this year there is no chance of getting anywhere from the bottom of the pile.   That is why some player experimentation should start this year - not later.     
                        
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Apr 2014, 23:36
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06 Apr 2014, 23:36#5
 Coetzee simply has no overall grasp of the fundamentasl of rugby be it putting a side together, playing to a winning strategy or player identification.
I fully agree Scurra and Fourie are not hookin options. Look if teh rest of the pack was size wise acceptable maybe scurra at hooker and Deon at 6. But by having a small hooker you are jeopardising the front row. However Mike trhe biggest problem is the 91 or so clubs looting and interfering with tthe professioanal arm. That is the biggest problem. It leads to quota appoinments and to the small budget Rassie complained about.
The best thing to happen would be a full blown crises at WP which might force a change. Lose every match and completely disintegrate. Then maybe the pobvious oves would be made. The first move is to go professional. Also review who gets the vote. Nothing clubs are getting the vote and all they want is money. Kick them out. Go for quality and viability.
Drastic steps need to be taken not merely appointing good coaches who will walk out yet again.
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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
07 Apr 2014, 01:36
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07 Apr 2014, 01:36#6
even when the stormers didnt have injuries issues, they still did sweet F all.

and theyre not the only team who has massive injuries in their squad.

and nothing comes close to the injuries the crusaders suffered in 2011 when they faced the stormers in newlands and still won.
excuses are for the weak, like the saffas blaming the refs for everything from games lost to high taxes, crying about injuries is how folks justify that their teams arent poo.

what ever helps them sleep i say,
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,295 posts
07 Apr 2014, 03:08
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07 Apr 2014, 03:08#7
The Stormers are crap this year, no game plan on attack- and the defense is no longer what it was. 
They still have a good squad but not as good as a few years ago.
Rassie was the brains of the operation, and Coetzee the body. 
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,295 posts
07 Apr 2014, 03:09
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07 Apr 2014, 03:09#8
The Stormers are crap this year, no game plan on attack- and the defense is no longer what it was. 
They still have a good squad but not as good as a few years ago.
Rassie was the brains of the operation, and Coetzee the body. 

@Sasuke, South Africa have 2 teams in the top 6, and the New Zealand have one. No need to make excuses, when the Sharks are the clear favorites to win the tournament. 

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