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No lessons learnt

Started by Saffolk 16 REPLIES737 VIEWS· 17 Jul 2023, 09:21
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Saffolk
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Jul 2023, 09:21
#1
17 Jul 2023, 09:21#1
We have had the Mostert at 7 experiment and it failed so why resort back to it when PSDT was fit and coming off a good game against Oz The physicality brought on by PSDT, Marx, RG and Vermeulen in the second half changed the game for us, suddenly we looked like the dominant side we should have been but the horse had bolted by then Also Kwagga was a complete physical flop getting tossed around like a rag doll. v Staaden has to start until Kolisi is back The experiment of Willemse at 10 is another failure, he does not have the software to control a game and his kicking game is not commanding His weakest position is 10 and it shows Also we can’t ignore the strike power of Arendse, he has to replace Mapimpi Esterhuizen has to be on the bench Do we think any lessons have been learnt moving forward, my guess is not given the in out of average Mostert in the side, the notion that Kwagga is physically up to it starting and that Willemse is a test standard 10 Boy we are missing Kolisi and Pollard
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Rooinek
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
17 Jul 2023, 10:21
#2
17 Jul 2023, 10:21#2

So Dave, are you conceding that Rassie is a poor coach or are you still giving him a pass after these fundamental mistakes?

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kingcorn
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kingcornPro3,695 posts
17 Jul 2023, 11:02
#3
17 Jul 2023, 11:02#3

Just watched Swys analysis of the game. Made some valid points that our kick defence and alignment was poor. The back row combo doesn't work. 

I don't know why people rate kwagga. Yes he plays his heart out but his try was too late. Did he win any balls on the back or made any dominant tackles or carries, no. 

Mostert should have been chucked ages ago. Not a lock and not physically big enough for a 7. Should stay in Japan. 

Why on earth is Jean Luc in the team when they don't use him. 

Mpimpi is another one that should get chucked. 

I would definitely drop Willemse and go for a 4/3 bench

But my interest in the rest of the games are no longer there. 

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Saffolk
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Jul 2023, 11:10
#4
17 Jul 2023, 11:10#4
Yes Rooi I rate Rassie highly and I’m trusting we won’t see Mostert starting a test again I’m sure RG will leapfrog Lood, who I rate highly anyway The Marx vs Bongi is political so his hands are tied there. Bongi is class but not in form right now A fir Pollard and Kolisi will at least solve the issue at 6 and 10 So come the WC we should see a Rassie side along the lines of 15. Willie/ Willemse 14. Kolbe 13. Am 12. de Allende 11. Mapimpi / Arendse 10. Pollard 1. Kitshoff / Ox 2. Marx / Bongi 3. Malherbe 4. Etzebeth 5. RG Snyman / Lood 6. Kolisi 7. PSDT 8. Wiese / Vermeulen This is pretty much the side I’d go with except I’d have Roos ahead of Vermeulen as an option
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kingcorn
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17 Jul 2023, 11:23
#5
17 Jul 2023, 11:23#5

We also need to move on from the old farts. 

Have you thought of a back 3 combo with 

11, Arendse, 14, Kolbe and 15 Moodie

Moodie for his height and physicality. Plus he is super reliable in the air. Willemse knocked a few catches on over the weekend. Not they were easy. 

I hope Rassie gives the young guys a crack in the next few games against the Bargies. 

Then there is still 1 game left against Wales and a final dress rehearsal against NZ, but won't read much into that game as the WC squad would have been selected. Think it is a cash grab from both side. Apparently Twickenham has sold 65 000 plus tickets. 

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Beeno1
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
17 Jul 2023, 11:53
#6
17 Jul 2023, 11:53#6

Dave your improvements to the Bok side matched what I called for. 

I agree once the subs came in we looked the dominant side. 

The fact is provided everyone is fit we can pick a very powerful side. Anybody with half a brain can see that. Instead we have hysterical outbursts of doom and gloom.

I would rather guys be tested now than at the world cup. The trouble is that 16 minutes at the start of the match is leading to a lack of a balanced appraisal.

As for Kwagga he would have made an outstanding center, he has it all. Oviousky it's probably too late to make the switch now but tell what he lacks to play center. 




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Deus Ex Lemur
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17 Jul 2023, 12:07
#7
17 Jul 2023, 12:07#7

Thor was invisible. Marx changed nothing. Willemse wasn't playing at first receiver for at least 98% of Bok possession. Kwagga was excellent. Wiese was better than Thor. Steph was actually quite good. The attack was poor throughout. Simple facts. 

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Saffolk
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17 Jul 2023, 13:14
#8
17 Jul 2023, 13:14#8
Kwagga was embarrassing the way he was man handled Marx, RG, PSDT and Vermeulen changed everything you idiot
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17 Jul 2023, 15:41
#9
17 Jul 2023, 15:41#9

Marx spent most of his time being cleared out of rucks. Kwagga actually disrupted possession and pressured the Kiwi 9s. Thor had no more than two good carries, and a tackle. That's it. He was barely present. It was more a tactical shift than a personnel impact. Though Steph and RG were energetic. RG was very strong and skillful. Facts Saddex. Just stick to the facts. 

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Saffolk
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17 Jul 2023, 17:42
#10
17 Jul 2023, 17:42#10
Fuck me Doos you are so rugby ignorant it’s quite a joke So Marx made no impression, the subs did not add any physicality and best of all Kwagga was great - bwahhaaaaahaaaa Kwagga was a physical embarrassment
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17 Jul 2023, 18:52
#11
17 Jul 2023, 18:52#11

What did Marx actually do in the first ten minutes he was on the field? Go on Coach. 

 the subs did not add any physicality

Right above Clownpant's post: 

RG was very strong and skillful. Facts Saddex. 

Yes, stick to the facts indeed Saddex. 

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Saffolk
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17 Jul 2023, 20:14
#12
17 Jul 2023, 20:14#12
Marx added physicality to the mix as he always does We physically dominated the AB’s in the second half thanks to the additions of PSDT, RG, Marx and Vermeulen It’s a pity v Staaden was not available as he would have been a welcome replacement for the man handled Kwagga
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17 Jul 2023, 20:27
#13
17 Jul 2023, 20:27#13

The Boks didn't physically dominate the Kiwis. I've gone over that game phase by phase. I'd be very interested for you to reference where all this production is for Marx. You know he was so integral, but can't say why. There's a surprise! 

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Saffolk
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Jul 2023, 20:41
#14
17 Jul 2023, 20:41#14
The Boks physically dominated the AB’s in the second half and that’s a fact Marx was huge - as for specifics I’ve not watched the game again to take note I just know he was a massive improvement on Bongi who was off the pace and shit
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18 Jul 2023, 16:53
#15
18 Jul 2023, 16:53#15

Saddex, please desist. You are an embarrassment. Stop being an embarrassment. Thanking you. 

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Saffolk
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18 Jul 2023, 20:18
#16
18 Jul 2023, 20:18#16
Doos the only embarrassment here is you Why not send us another of your books worth of bullshit Anything for a laugh
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18 Jul 2023, 20:51
#17
18 Jul 2023, 20:51#17

I am armed with facts, all verifiable with game film. That's all that matters. What you say exists in your head alone. 

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