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No sense in complete Bok overhaul; Rugby 365

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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
24 Jun 2014, 09:11
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24 Jun 2014, 09:11#1

The Springbok team to face Scotland in Port Elizabeth will be markedly different from the one that edged Wales in Nelspruit, by necessity rather than design.

With seven European-based players unavailable for selection and at least another two starters ruled through injury Heyneke Meyer's hand will be forced when he names his team to face an under-strength Scotland.

However, the idea that Meyer should completely overhaul the team and give promising youngsters a shot because the match falls outside the June Test window and Scotland will not have their best team on the park is a little bit misguided.

First of all anyone who has paid remote attention to Meyer's selection policy will know that he does not believe that Test rugby is the place for experimentation or giving players chances. The relative strength of the Scottish team is not particularly relevant here as it remains a Test match and the Boks' last match together ahead of the Rugby Championship.

The best chance new players have to shine is within a settled environment where they are surrounded by experience. The third British and Irish Lions Test in 2009 provides a good example of how badly things can go if continuity is tampered with too much and Meyer will certainly not be willing to surrender any momentum as he prepares for the challenge that New Zealand, Australia and Argentina will pose in August.

Yes there will be major changes to the team this week, but it would be very surprising if there were more than is absolutely necessary given the players available.

There will have to be two changes to the tight five with Tendai Mtawarira and Flip van der Merwe sidelined through injury, whilst in the loose trio there are doubts over the fitness of Willem Alberts and Francois Louw will be back with Bath.

Gurthro Steenkamp was Mtawarira's back-up on Saturday but he will be back with Toulouse which means that either Coenie Oosthuizen or Trevor Nyakane could be given a shot at loosehead prop. The opening at lock could well see Lodewyk de Jager get his first Test start alongside Victor Matfield who is now the most experienced Bok ever after surpassing John Smit last week.

If Alberts is not fit then it could open the door for Teboho Mohoje to make his debut, although he is more likely to start on the bench with Schalk Burger perhaps given the No.7 jersey he last wore at the 2011 World Cup. The absence of Louw means that Sharks flank Marcell Coetzee should get a crack at openside flank after spending the last two years watching Louw from the sidelines.

In the backline the biggest question mark revolves around flyhalf and whether Meyer will throw IRB World Junior Player of the year Handre Pollard in the deep end with Morne Steyn back in Paris. Johan Goosen and Marnitz Boshoff are expected to be fit again, so it seems more likely that Pollard would join the fray in the second half if he indeed does get his chance.

Those wanting to see some different options in Springbok colours this weekend will certainly get their wish, but those expecting a completely new side are likely to be left a little disappointed when the team is announced on Wednesday.

By Michael de Vries

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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
24 Jun 2014, 09:17
#2
24 Jun 2014, 09:17#2
 Sounds like the only changes will be the result of injuries or players not being available because of other commitments. 
"First of all anyone who has paid remote attention to Meyer's selection policy will know that he does not believe that Test rugby is the place for experimentation or giving players chances." Meyer
 Interesting observation.
BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
24 Jun 2014, 09:28
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24 Jun 2014, 09:28#3
 Yep, Mohoje is a certainty...... btw. what team is he with ?
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Jun 2014, 11:48
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24 Jun 2014, 11:48#4
blokbok
Mohoje is a Cheetahs bench player only playing for the Cheetahs when other players are not available as a result of injuries.   He is definitely in Meyer's squad as a quota player and I think he is not up to test standard.
I know they are trying to force through more quota selections - but am afraid that the real talent is not available among the forwards other than existing Springboks - such as Mtawarire and Nyakane.   


    
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
24 Jun 2014, 11:50
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24 Jun 2014, 11:50#5

Cheetahs.

Look forward to see what this fool of coach does next.

Cheetah's front row, no doubt with De Jager coming in at 4 partnering the elderly Matfield .

Vermeulen, Kolisi and Mohoje as our back row.

Du Preez and Goosen as our half back pair.

Serfontein and JJ coming in as our center pair.

Willie at the back with the lightweight Hendriks at 14 and Mvovo taking over the 11 jersey.

That's my guess any way.





 
 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Jun 2014, 12:03
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24 Jun 2014, 12:03#6

The solution is simple, get rid of our useless conservative coach who is out of touch on every level.

 

 

Get rid of washed up hasbeens like Kirchner, Fourie, Jean, Olivier, Morne, du Preez, Pienaar, Steenkamp, Jannie, Bakkies, Matfield, Flip, Schalk and Alberts

 

 

Its that simple 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Jun 2014, 13:16
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24 Jun 2014, 13:16#7
 I am afraid that under Meyer the Springbok team is in some respects going backwards and in others stagnating.  There is no forward movement to improve the team as all.
I must say I admire McKenzie.  He inherited a team that was not playing well and used the players that was not up to standard last year.  This year he got rid of a lot of sub-standard players and the team is improving massively.  
Since there are serious signs of increasing player deficiencies - Meyer should make some really important changes.  I do not go with Saffex in all respects - but in some cases he has a point.
In the backline I would not tinker around too much - I would find a suitable player at 13 (probably De Allende), keep De Villiers  and replace Morne Steyn, while bringing in a new scrummie to take over in time to come.
Up front there are three serious replacements needed - namely Alberts, Matfield and Jannie du Plessis.   There are more than enough replacement candidates for those three positions.
I would definitely rule out Steenkamp, Bakkies Botha and they must watch carefully what Burger is providing - he was injury-prone in the Super 15 series - I have a feeling he would not last through to 2015.              
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