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Nobody is brave enugh to list the 5 top flyhalfs this year

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Dec 2013, 19:02
#1
16 Dec 2013, 19:02#1

So lets get the shouting and screaming to start - bearing in mind that I always lok at bth test and franchise performances:-


1.  Carter

2.  Barrett

3   Cruden

4   O'Connor

5   Cooper


If we go down 20 places we could perhaps get t o Morne Steyn. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Dec 2013, 19:43
#2
16 Dec 2013, 19:43#2

1 Cruden

 

2 Barrett

 

3 Carter

 

4 Morne

 

5 Cooper  

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
16 Dec 2013, 19:57
#3
16 Dec 2013, 19:57#3

My top 4 picks are:

 

1. Cruden

2. Barrett

3. Carter

4. Morne (sorry Mike but he has been part of a winning team & provides stability)

5. Whoever the top fly-half is in the NH. I don't watch enough of their games to know.

 

On the issue of if Cruden is first or if it is Barrett, I think Barrett will be the medium-term first choice. I still have concerns about Cruden's resiliance at the test level. The good thing is ABs don't have to worry about it because both will be needed. Having Carter in the mix will prolong his career and give the ABs a third option.

 

On Morne, I think he will fade to a back-up role as soon as a viable & reliable option is found.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Dec 2013, 19:59
#4
16 Dec 2013, 19:59#4

 Mozart


Morne is not even good enough to start as Stade Francais flyhalf.  That shows how really mediocre he is.  

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oimateyPro1,870 posts
16 Dec 2013, 21:14
#5
16 Dec 2013, 21:14#5
 Mike - my feeling is Steyn isn't starting because he hasn't been part of the pre-season and is unfamiliar with the backline calls, gameplan etc. Or perhaps he was brought there to mentor Plisson as a purely depth play. Either way there are 3.5 million reasons that show Stade Francais think he is anything but mediocre.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Dec 2013, 21:43
#6
16 Dec 2013, 21:43#6

JW the reason I put the Quaalude at 5 is simply because he was effective on the NH tour. Yes he got much more space and time, and without that he is ineffective. But still, he produced under those easier conditions. The obvious NH flyhalf was Sexton, who also played for the Lions....but he was outplayed by Cooper up until the time Sexton departed. And that missed sitter against the ABs extended  100 years of Irish failure....that has to nix him.

 

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poi-ePro1,044 posts
16 Dec 2013, 21:46
#7
16 Dec 2013, 21:46#7
1. Carter2. Cruden3. Barrett4. Morne5. Cooper...I guess, maybe Farrell
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Dec 2013, 21:54
#8
16 Dec 2013, 21:54#8

 oi-mate y


Ever heard of a very expensive flop - Jantjies last year and Morne this year.  

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
16 Dec 2013, 22:35
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16 Dec 2013, 22:35#9
I must have been watching different rugby to everyone else here because I'd have Quade Cooper first by a country mile while the very ordinary Aaron Cruden wouldn't be in my top 5.
1. Cooper
. . . daylight
2. Barrett3. Farrell4. Sexton5. Steyn
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BoklogicPro1,978 posts
17 Dec 2013, 00:08
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17 Dec 2013, 00:08#10

 I know I am gona take some flack here but whats the buzz on Cruden? He seems very, very ordinary. Maybe its because, surrounding him, the AB's have the impressive Barrett and Carter but Barrett makes Cruden look like a club player on the international stage.

 

Cruden does the basics well enough but thats about it. Carter and Barrett have the x-factor whilst Cruden will do little more than an ordinary flyhalf is expected to do. He doesn't make many breaks anymore. He doesn't try take on the defence enough. He is a distributor with little x-factor.

 

He does play well in Super rugby though but the step up seems to "scare" something in to him that he looks like he is just trying to not fuck up instead of trying to own the park like he does in Super rugby. Maybe thats Carter, Barrett and Taylor's fault as you have 3 awesome players putting pressure on that 10 jersey every game.

 

1. Elton Jantjies

2. Tony Jantjies

3. Willie Le Roux

4. Johan Goosen

5. Elgar Watts

 

Regards,

David Searle

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Dec 2013, 01:32
#11
17 Dec 2013, 01:32#11
1. Cooper2. Carter3. Farrell4. Cruden5. Barrett
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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
17 Dec 2013, 01:43
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17 Dec 2013, 01:43#12
Cooper did ok & even brilliantly in part on the NH tour but that's not enough proof for me that he is top in the world - sounds absurd even as I type it. Copper no. 1, no way.
On Cruden or Barrett, in addition to what I said earlier I would add the Barrett is said to be weaker on defense as witnessed in the tackle he missed at Ellis park. BUT who can forget that try he scored right after it? Still 1 or 2 for Barrett or Cruden is fine for me as time will tell & ABs will need both. Carter of course is still the best in the world but with his injuries I am not longer confident he can play much of the season so can't justify him as my 1 or 2 selection.
Glad to see Poi-e & Boklogic weighing in on this thread & most ly on topic 
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Dec 2013, 03:02
#13
17 Dec 2013, 03:02#13
 Boklogic
 
Status: Bok regular 
Posts: 1435RE: Nobody is brave enugh to list the 5 top flyhalfs this year
December 16, 2013, 22:08:26

 I know I am gona take some flack here but whats the buzz on Cruden? He seems very, very ordinary. Maybe its because, surrounding him, the AB's have the impressive Barrett and Carter but Barrett makes Cruden look like a club player on the international stage.

 

Cruden does the basics well enough but thats about it. Carter and Barrett have the x-factor whilst Cruden will do little more than an ordinary flyhalf is expected to do. He doesn't make many breaks anymore. He doesn't try take on the defence enough. He is a distributor with little x-factor.

 

He does play well in Super rugby though but the step up seems to "scare" something in to him that he looks like he is just trying to not fuck up instead of trying to own the park like he does in Super rugby. Maybe thats Carter, Barrett and Taylor's fault as you have 3 awesome players putting pressure on that 10 jersey every game.

 

1. Elton Jantjies

2. Tony Jantjies

3. Willie Le Roux

4. Johan Goosen

5. Elgar Watts

 

Regards,

David Searle


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hakwaPro4,146 posts
17 Dec 2013, 05:20
#14
17 Dec 2013, 05:20#14
1. Saffex - for controlling and monopolising and polarising opinions (similar to Cooper)2. Mike - very steady, monotonous, does the basics well (similar to Morne)3. JW - artistic, cheeky with ability to keep straight face (like Cruden)4. Mozie - highly intelligent, cleverly placed kicks to keep opposition guessing, opposition not sure whether he is taking the micky out of them (similar to Dan Carter)5. Beeno - confused, not sure whether he is a flyhalf or a fullback (Lambie) 
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