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Nonu valuable to any team, says Joseph

Started by Monkey D Luffy10 REPLIES397 VIEWS· 10 Jul 2013, 19:49
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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
10 Jul 2013, 19:49
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10 Jul 2013, 19:49#1

Nonu valuable to any team, says Joseph

Head coach Jamie Joseph has indicated he would welcome All Black midfielder Ma'a Nonu back to the Highlanders next year.

Nonu has had a controversial and mediocre season with the Highlanders which ended prematurely last weekend when he was banned for three weeks for a tip tackle on Crusaders wing Tom Marshall.

There has been intense speculation since about which franchise Nonu will play for next year but Joseph has no intention of turning his back on him.

"Ma's got a lot of thinking to do," he said. "He had a very good All Black campaign in June but now that he has to take time out I'm sure that he will be thinking about his future.

"Ma'a is a quality player, isn't he? Any team which has the opportunity to take him on board would."

Faced with the loss of outside backs Hosea Gear, Tamati Ellison and Kade Poki, Joseph would welcome the retention of Nonu to provide continuity to a team which will have a lot of new faces next season despite his less than distinguished campaign this year.

Joseph said he was disappointed stalwart prop Jamie Mackintosh was moving to the Chiefs.

"There was an opportunity for him to stay here. He had a contract in front of him. Whoppa [Mackintosh] wants more game time and, if he thinks he can get that the Chiefs, good on him."

Joseph's immediate focus is for the Highlanders to salvage some pride against the Hurricanes in Wellington on Saturday night after their 12-40 loss to the Crusaders in Dunedin last week.

"Quite a few of our guys are from Wellington and they'll relish the chance to play on what was their home ground in front of their families.

"The conditions don't look good so we'll have to see how that pans out and adjust our tactics accordingly."

TJ Ioane, Joe Wheeler and Jake Paringatai are the options to replace the suspended Jarrad Hoeata at blindside flanker.

Elliot Dixon seems certain to retain the No 7 jersey with John Hardie still recovering from a knee injury.

The other specialist opensider Tim Boys returned to action in a club game last weekend but pulled a hamstring and is not available.

The Highlanders have won eight of their previous 20 matches against the Hurricanes and lost 19-23 when they met in Dunedin in round five this season.

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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
10 Jul 2013, 19:53
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10 Jul 2013, 19:53#2

an article posted last week, but one that makes me very happy and jospeh is spot on, though if i wa about to lose slade, tamti ellison, kade poki and hosea gear next season, i would be wanting as many players as possible to stay too, LMAO, :oD
but none the less, im still a believer in nonu, though i think that puts me in the minority of 4 which includes jospeh, nonu and nonus mum, o_O

i found this poll on nonu on a NZ rugby site,,,

Rugby News Poll

 

Where will Ma’a Nonu ply his Super Rugby trade next season?

Blues
  (3.7%) Chiefs
  (11%) Hurricanes
  (11.9%) Crusaders
  (15.6%) Highlanders
  (29.4%) Nowhere – he’s a liability at this level
  (28.4%)


its a pretty good indication that nearly everyone,e xcept the 4 of which im a part of (lolz), are fed up with nonu. but im of the storng opinon that nonu can and more importantly will turn around his superXv misfortunes, no problems with him in the All blacks, best 12 IMO and i wouldnt swap him for anybody except SBW, but all in due time, cough 2015 cough.

one thing that i do think was supid was jospeh thinking that he could keep a player like whoppa around, when he has clearly made woody the incumbent loose head prop.
i dont think whoppa is the best loosehead prop, but he can get the job done at spXv level, and hes right up there for getting around the field.
chiefs have got a good bye, cos whoppa been better then woody at spXV for the last few seasons IMO.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Jul 2013, 23:57
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10 Jul 2013, 23:57#3
Sasue With due respect - if I was part of that pole - may vote would have gone to Nowhere - purely based on his performances for the Highlanders this year. I would say it was putrid at best - the way he crashballed continuously and starved the outside backs from ball possession. The red card and banning would have been the final straw. He was no better than Francois Steyn - and you know what I think about the latter. In the tests against the French he was a different player and he did his job very well - so why was he so bad at Super 15 level?
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SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
11 Jul 2013, 05:58
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11 Jul 2013, 05:58#4

Lets be honest. With all the law tweaks the IRB have made the game one dimensional and a exact fit for players build like the Pacific Islanders.

 

We all know nutrition plus genes = Height

That is where the Afrikaner gets it genes as the dutch are the tallest people in the world.

 

But look at the best bulk guys in every position in Rugby.

 

Yes you guessed it its pacific Islanders.

 

There is no more different styles anymore. Everyone is forced to adpat and play like NZ do

 

Which is wrong 

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KalaedFreddieClub Pro495 posts
11 Jul 2013, 10:15
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11 Jul 2013, 10:15#5

I work with earth moving equipment, concrete and dust mixed with diesel so I am no good at stats and research.

Clever people, hallo, yes, you..... come listen here.

 

What would be the ratio if one could get the information.

Soccer / Football --------- Years in existance ------------ how many rule changes -------------- % changes over years

Tennis --------- Years in existance ------------ how many rule changes -------------- % changes over years

Baseball --------- Years in existance ------------ how many rule changes -------------- % changes over years

Cricketl --------- Years in existance ------------ how many rule changes ----------------- % changes over years

RUGBY --------- Years in existance ----------- how many rule changes -------------- % changes over years

 

Then work out average per year to get an even base.  Too many changes has made rugby a different sport than what it was 60 years ago.

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redsmanPro1,710 posts
11 Jul 2013, 10:37
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11 Jul 2013, 10:37#6
Nonu obviously a bit of a wanker bit like young bieber - bit of fame and success goes to their head - obviously not overly grounded individuals... Perhaps s15 could start s16 with team of talented yet wanker types - bieber and nonu could get the ball rolling - Habana would be in the mix and hanson could coach it.
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redsmanPro1,710 posts
11 Jul 2013, 10:37
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11 Jul 2013, 10:37#7
Nonu obviously a bit of a wanker bit like young bieber - bit of fame and success goes to their head - obviously not overly grounded individuals... Perhaps s15 could start s16 with team of talented yet wanker types - bieber and nonu could get the ball rolling - Habana would be in the mix and hanson could coach it.
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IhiClub Pro201 posts
11 Jul 2013, 14:32
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11 Jul 2013, 14:32#8

Mike, your 12 is supposed to get the ball over the gainline not dance around like a chicken! Nonu is the best in the business at getting the backline momentum. you dont understand this at all. Fras does this pretty well too but hes not in the class of nonu and big bady jamie roberts. i thoink the sharks lost a lot by ditching frans. in the loss to the brumbies he made the most ground or the second most. he did a lot considering how totally outclassed the sharks loosies and the rest of the team were on the ground. but yeah back to nonu he'll be back im certain of that. maybe in a similar situation like habana was in you need a fire under your ass sometimes to keep your standards up.

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ntangaClub Pro336 posts
11 Jul 2013, 17:18
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11 Jul 2013, 17:18#9
Sasu, I'm surprised by the statistics above, I've always rated Nonu among the best centres in the world. He probably needs to recharge his battery and rekindle that fire he once had. His deep in form only means he's only human like the rest of us. We've seen a lot of top players go through the same stuff, and most of them come back a bit more robust and on a mission to put things straight. He's a very dangerous player for any given opposition team
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Jul 2013, 20:11
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11 Jul 2013, 20:11#10
Ihi I fully understand the concept of getting the backline over the gainline - but I have not seen Nonu doing it ONCE effectively during the hole of Super 15 - and never ONCE since by Francois Steyn returned from France in any game he played in. Nonu did it a couple of times in the tests against the French - for sure and I have no problem wit that one - other than for the Highlanders in Super 15 he was a poor investment. I always thought highly of Francois Steyn until he came back from France. Afterwards he never achieved not even one example of giving the backline momentum - matter of fact he killed whatever potential momentum there was. Got thoroughly frustrated with his performances since he came back and was hoping for much more than he produced.
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polyboyClub Pro601 posts
12 Jul 2013, 01:26
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12 Jul 2013, 01:26#11
Spooony I'ld hardly call the way the AB's play rugby one dimensional, but in a perfect world how do you see rugby being played if you were the IRB?
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