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Not enough is made of Lambie.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Feb 2012, 05:47
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23 Feb 2012, 05:47#1

Over the past few years we have heard about the genius of Quade Cooper, Beale and O Connor.  But Lambie's efforts are met with quiet respect. The performance that kid produced against Oz was flawless, from his cuts into the backline, to his kicking under pressure, to the sublime swivel and step manouvre taking a hospital pass. And we saw his brilliant tackling at 10 thrown into the arena against a full strength NZ team.

 

We have a new mega talent here.... a guy who could very well be the best fullback in the world already. Let's hope SA fans can show him some of the enthusiasm they were so ready to direct towards the likes of Quade and Sonny Bill. Long after those pretenders have gone, Lambie will still be a quiet force

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
23 Feb 2012, 09:09
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23 Feb 2012, 09:09#2

I remember the astronomical praise they showered on Quad-poop..."The best flyhalf of his generation, perhaps the best flyhalf of any generation." Comparisons were also made between him and Hugo Porto. Well all that came crashing down at the WC when Cooper was exposed as a yellow belly, taken out of the front line of defence and relegated to the back, the poor bastard had lost all confidence as the Kiwi press rode his back. Deans should have known better, there's no place to hide in a game of rugby let alone in a world cup. Mind you, I made an early call on his frailties only to be shouted down by the self acclaimed "experts." As for SBW....look at Henry's call at the WC final..... benched him. SBW  has yet to make a name for himself in Union, the players on either side of him were holding him up.

Young Lambie is his own person and player, he doesn't have the benefit of playing next to stars but as you say he has quietly gone about his business making a name for himself. With his feet on the ground and reaching to improve himself, the best is yet to come,it would not surprise if he was an icon at the next WC.

 

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ChippoPro3,372 posts
23 Feb 2012, 11:04
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23 Feb 2012, 11:04#3

I reckon Heynekes biggest challenge will be to harness and make full use of Lambie, Jantjies and Goosens talents.

Along with Sadie, Frans Steyn, and JJ engelbrecht, he has a wealth of talent in the gamebreaker category.

 

Its a nice problem to have, but i'd hate to see any one of their talents being wasted...

A guy like Brent Russell always comes to mind... because he was stuffed around so much, we never got to see the best of him for very long.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
23 Feb 2012, 11:23
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23 Feb 2012, 11:23#4

Agreed, Lambie is a class act and too often negatives have been thrown his way when playing 10 for the Sharks - all a load of rubbish in my books. We need him at 15 for the Boks, but sadly the Sharks will play him at 10. Lambie, Frans and Hougaard are our proven talents amongst our young brigade, with the likes of Taute, Goosen, Sadie and Jantjies pushing for the same honours.

We do currently appear to have an abundance of young talent coming through, lets just hope many of these names make a name for themselves. Will the likes of Ulrich Beyers, JJ Engelbrecht, Mjekevu, v/d Heerver, Sithole, JP du Plessis, Dries Swanepoel, Jan Serfontien, Frans Venter, Piet Lindeque, Pat Howard, Tyler Fisher, Jordaan, Small-Smith, v/Aswegen, Fouche, v/Zyl, Groom etc make the grade.

Talking of young talent, watch Eben Etzebeth at lock for the Stormers this weekend, this kid is the real deal. The Stormers have some serious beef in the lock department this year and 3 of them are 21 and younger. Bekker 2.08 and 122kg, Etzebeth 2.03m and 120kg, Elstadt 1.98m and 118kg and Quin Roux 1.98m and 125kg

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
23 Feb 2012, 11:27
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23 Feb 2012, 11:27#5

A lot is going to depend on Meyer's gameplan. There's no doubting the abundance of talent, question is are they going to cut the mustard at test level.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
23 Feb 2012, 11:36
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23 Feb 2012, 11:36#6

 Time will tell, the majority of those players listed are only 20 and made big impressions at junior level - lets hope the majority come shining through. I have seen some YouTube highlights of centres JP du Plessis and Pat Howard and boy they look good. The Grey Bloem centre pair of Serfontien and Swanepoel are meant to be the next big things. Both along with Howard are in the current Bok U20 squad.

The one they expect big things from is Tyler Fisher, he is fresh out of school, played SA schools 13 and by all accounts created havoc with his size, strength and skills......97kg outside centre at school boy level would take some stopping.

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
23 Feb 2012, 12:09
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23 Feb 2012, 12:09#7

Two things, we need a good backline coach....an Ozzie will do me and we have to ensure that these guys don't  migrate to another country to ply their trade.

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UsernamePro1,098 posts
24 Feb 2012, 04:32
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24 Feb 2012, 04:32#8

I disagree somewhat Moz. Lambie was grossly overhyped very early on. It's a case of everyone losing perspective and the media under-seling his showings at 15.

AO
Admit OneClub Pro389 posts
30 Aug 2018, 16:03
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30 Aug 2018, 16:03#9


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
31 Aug 2018, 05:53
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31 Aug 2018, 05:53#10
Speaking of prodigious young talent....what ever happened to Tyler Fisher, I always viewed him as John Gainesford's natural successor Danie Gerber's natural successor JJ's natural successor.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
31 Aug 2018, 06:23
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31 Aug 2018, 06:23#11
And what happened to the provocatively named User Name....so many great ones taken from us so soon.
BL
bluebokPro3,977 posts
31 Aug 2018, 08:01
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31 Aug 2018, 08:01#12
LOL @ Mozter "Taken from us so soon"! That said, quite a few have returned the last 6 months or so. 
Moz, interesting how your view of Lambie changed since 2012. I have never really understood the hype behind the guy, even back then. Although, I have gotten my fair share wrong over the years as well. Pierre Spies was one. I really thought we had unearthed the best Bok ever when he broke onto the scene, unfortunately after that he just did not deliver on his talent. I still think he could have been a great if he just had a little more mongrel in him. An absolute freak athletically, but ja, it takes more than being a fine athletic specimen to become great. Coulda, woulda, shoulda!  
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generaltitPro3,164 posts
31 Aug 2018, 10:30
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31 Aug 2018, 10:30#13

I'm still a fan of Patrick...used to watch schoolboy rugby at Michaelhouse (and also Hilton and Maritzburg College) and noticed this youngster way back in 2009/10...he was also a very talented cricketer too...these events were very colourful and were very well attended.

Pat played fullback but sometimes flyhalf...a position he himself I think preferred and I have grown to believe that he should have stayed at fullback...

He has suffered quite a number of unfortunate injuries and one quite recently at Racing where he was the starting 10 with 10 year older  DC on the bench. Rassie is still interested in him but sadly this last injury is just another set back.

My personal opinion is that he should have stayed at fullback...I think his career would have been a lot different...he has outstanding skills and ball-sense. It's such a damn pity.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Aug 2018, 10:30
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31 Aug 2018, 10:30#14

Mozart's change is entiorely due to -

*   his support of Morne Steyn and subsequently Francois Steyn as Springbok flyhalf; and

*   his consequent dislike of Goosenand ultimately Lambie as candidates.

His normal postings are based entirely on prejudice with no regard to fact - he manufactured false facts often enough and is not averse to lies to support his favored players. 

His present support of Pollard is based on the fact that Morne is not in the picture any more and Francois Steyn is seemingly also out - so in come his support of Pollard.   Funny really on the whole since Mozart support of players is such a farce not based o n actual performance.    

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
31 Aug 2018, 10:42
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31 Aug 2018, 10:42#15

Lambie had talent but was way too fragile to play test rugby. Have not seen him play since he left SA so my comment is based on how he played here.

if nothing has changed forget about wee Pat!

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WardadPro6,663 posts
31 Aug 2018, 12:12
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31 Aug 2018, 12:12#16

Just add the mint jelly and that Lambie just fine !

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
31 Aug 2018, 12:18
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31 Aug 2018, 12:18#17

Lambie had to moments in a Currie Cup and that was enough to propel him to over 50 caps. He had some promise as a fullback, but struggled as a 10. The media got the fans very emotionally stirred as they attempted to attack Morné. That's how our media work: Identify a flavour of the day alternative and hound the coach until he selects him. The media almost never gets it right. Fortunately I can say I was probably the first to see through this one. It always fascinated me, he was tauted as being a "flair" player, but attack was never his strength. He was never like Pollard, and instead a lesser Morné. They were the same type of 10. At fullback he was a sound defensive option 15. So many wasted years in the wrong position.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
31 Aug 2018, 12:35
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31 Aug 2018, 12:35#18

Organhuffer Lambie could not make it a 15 agai n for the same reasons. Wise reader forget about wee Lambie who in the found was found to lack the necessary physicality. Not courage as he always had that.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Aug 2018, 12:35
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31 Aug 2018, 12:35#19

Morne was so poor - the media had no role in his dropping.   A disastrous history of performances in tests between 2012 and 2014 could not be ignored by even Meyer - poor as he was in team selection and coaching.  The fans are not th fools you in your arrogance made them out to be.   

The funny part is that the media and the fans are wrong - you were correct.   That is laughable and the funny part is your ignorance insofar as rugby is concerned comes clearly through.LMAO

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
31 Aug 2018, 12:43
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31 Aug 2018, 12:43#20

I don't think he was courageous either. He'd let attackers get by him at times. He was very nervy and passive. Eddie Jones singled him out for that with Japan. 

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generaltitPro3,164 posts
31 Aug 2018, 13:10
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31 Aug 2018, 13:10#21

This is what should have ended Lambie's career...severe concussion...I don't think it was done deliberately by CJ Stander...it's a freak act...but it's probably more force on the head than a well timed left hook from Mike Tyson...most men probably would not be able to play for the rest of their careers...I remember boxer Brian Baronet last fight against Kenny Vice at Westridge...he died from a haemorage...

Brian was no slouch or softy, a gentleman outside the ring but one of the best fighters...my ex went out with him in the 80's. I met him on a few occasions and liked the guy very much.

Pat Lambie is no softy either but a man of courage...he has never given up and still plays good rugby. They might have pretty boy faces but never be deceived by looks.


Brian Baronet had it all. He was an excellent, exciting boxer; a crowd favourite wherever he fought.

He had the looks to become a fashion model and the kind of personality that would have made him successful in any number of jobs. He could even have been a fine soccer player had he not chosen boxing as a sport and a career.

Boxing was almost inevitable, though. His father, Ernie, boxed in the 1950s and ‘60s and was a SA bantamweight and featherweight champion. Other family members, his uncle Bernie Taylor and his cousin Brett, were also national champions.

Ernie never encouraged his sons to box, but when Brian and his brother Robert were still youngsters, they often accompanied him to the gym when he trained as a professional. It was simply natural that they would also take up boxing.

Brian, according to available records, had 48 amateur fights. Three were against Brett Taylor, who won every one. But Baronet won the SA lightweight title in 1978 and made his professional debut on April 14 1980, when he stopped Paulus Shoji in the second round.

The handsome youngster won his next ten fights – eight inside the distance – before moving to Pretoria, where he was trained by former SA heavyweight champion Billy Lotter.

The only boxers that took him the distance during that exceptional run were Robert Johnson and Murie Zalacon whom he fought in Atlantic City during a short visit to the United States in 1981. He beat both on points over four rounds.

At Lotter’s gym, Baronet became friends with Arthur Mayisela, who was still an undercard boxer but later destroyed Baronet’s chances of fighting for a world junior welterweight title when he knocked him out at Sun City.

Still, it was a sad day for Baronet when Mayisela was killed in a road accident in September 1986. He was in the United States at the time but had a wreath placed on his friend’s grave.

SEVERE PUNISHMENT

In his first fight under Lotter’s guidance, Baronet took on an experienced American, Sammy Goss. They fought at Westridge Park in Durban on December 14 1981. Baronet had to endure severe punishment to the body before winning on a seventh-round knockout.

He was awarded the Prospect of the Year trophy at the annual King Korn/SA Boxing World awards ceremony in March 1982.

He won his next seven fights in style, beating the likes of James Martinez, Tom Crowley, Walter Clayton and Johnny Summerhays from abroad. But in March 1983 he lost for the first time when Lorenzo Luis Garcia from Argentina beat him over ten rounds.

Bouncing back, he won 11 fights in a row before taking on Mayisela for the SA junior welterweight title at the Sun City Superbowl on November 2 1985. Baronet was fourth on the WBA rankings list at the time and hoping to challenge for the organisation’s title.

A superbly fit and emotionally charged Mayisela proved too good for Baronet, who failed to dodge the champion’s booming right. Only courage enabled him to go out for the ninth round but when he went down for a count, his trainer, Doug Dolan, threw in the towel.

In 1986, Baronet went to Philadelphia to pick up the pieces of his career. Trained by Wesley Mouzon, a former top boxer, he defeated Rodney Moore, Joey Ruiz and Laurie Mann. That set him up for a fight against a 45-fight veteran, Harold Brazier, for the vacant NABF light-welterweight title.

They fought in Atlantic City on October 31 1986 and Brazier, scoring repeatedly with rights to the head, stopped Baronet in the tenth round.

After a break of 16 months, Baronet looked good when he beat American Sammy Rivera over ten rounds in front of 6 000 spectators at West Ridge Tennis Stadium in Durban on February 15 1988.

Only six weeks later he met another American, Davey Montana, at the Ellis Park Tennis Stadium in Johannesburg. He had to come back from two knockdowns in the second round before winning comfortably.

After the fight, SA Boxing World editor Bert Blewett pointed out Baronet’s “disturbing” vulnerability to the right hand.

LAST FIGHT AT WESTRIDGE

On June 14 1988, with a record of 34-3, including 19 wins inside the distance, Baronet faced American Kenny Vice at West Ridge Stadium, his favourite venue and the place where he was Hero No1, Baronet, if not lord, of the ring.

It turned into a sad ending to an exciting career.

Most ringsiders felt Vice was slightly ahead on points when the final round began. Baronet had been boxing, uncharacteristically, rather defensively but there was never anything to suggest the fight should be stopped.

The fight ended abruptly, though. Baronet went down from a chopping right to the neck and was counted out by referee Darryl Ribbink. The 6 000 spectators were stunned into silence when they saw a doctor attend to Baronet before the popular boxer was taken to hospital.

On June 17, the biggest drawcard and most charismatic boxer from Natal died at the age of 27.

It was later revealed that he had knocked his head on his car’s windscreen while he was driving to the official weigh-in before the fight. He was putting a tape into the tape deck and had to brake sharply when he realised there was a car in front of him.

He never told his trainer, Doug Dolan, or promoter Mike Segal about it.

The Johannesburg Sunday Times also reported that Baronet had been suspended and did not have a medical clearance to fight.

I was Durban at the time of that fatal fight and had lunch with him hours before. He looked in fine condition but there was no way of telling how much damage he might have suffered during those two years of fighting and tough sparring in Philadelphia.

 
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
31 Aug 2018, 13:48
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31 Aug 2018, 13:48#22


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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
31 Aug 2018, 13:52
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31 Aug 2018, 13:52#23

I credit his comeback, but he is still no man of steel. He folded like a deck of cards on defence, was never a fighter. A timid, passive fellow. Pollard is a fighter, and courageous. The difference couldn't be more apparent.

 Tragic Story JW. Hence why I take these things so seriously, i.e., Crotty! Your health is far more important than a game if rugby, or anything else for that matter. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
31 Aug 2018, 14:07
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31 Aug 2018, 14:07#24
What a tragic boxing story.....how would you like your kid to be a boxer. These days Formula One racing is much safer. Lambie ended up being a good traditional fullback. At one point I thought he was going to emerge at flyhalf, but it became apparent he never had a real 'model' for that position. Against tough opposition he looked increasingly uncertain as to what to do. But I will always admire that first outing against NZ where they ran bus after bus through 10 channel to break him down and he took them all down low and without hesitation.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Aug 2018, 15:05
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31 Aug 2018, 15:05#25

AO

Who are you writing about as folding like a deck of cards in defense, etc?  You gave a real description of Morne there and make it out to be Lambie - be honest for a change.    

GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
31 Aug 2018, 15:39
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31 Aug 2018, 15:39#26

I credit his comeback, but he is still no man of steel. He folded like a deck of cards on defence, was never a fighter. A timid, passive fellow. Pollard is a fighter, and courageous. The difference couldn't be more apparent.

That's your impressionistic view Augenoffer...that's certainly not the view of some Shark's players that know him very well...indeed not and I would rather judge him by what they say...at times you seem to have reasonable judgement but you are indeed incorrect here.

Sometimes you puzzle me...you write some good posts and sometimes not so good and sometimes codswallop.


GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
31 Aug 2018, 15:41
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31 Aug 2018, 15:41#27

I credit his comeback, but he is still no man of steel. He folded like a deck of cards on defence, was never a fighter. A timid, passive fellow. Pollard is a fighter, and courageous. The difference couldn't be more apparent.

That's your impressionistic view Augenoffer...that's certainly not the view of some Shark's players that know him very well...indeed not and I would rather judge him by what they say...at times you seem to have reasonable judgement but you are indeed incorrect here.

Sometimes you puzzle me...you write some good posts and sometimes not so good and sometimes codswallop.


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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
31 Aug 2018, 15:49
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31 Aug 2018, 15:49#28
That's the very nature of a human opinion Seb, it's impossible to agree with everything someone says. Unless you're a sheep and/or you've been impressioned in such a way that you can't think for yourself. 
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generaltitPro3,164 posts
31 Aug 2018, 15:52
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31 Aug 2018, 15:52#29

I wonder what would have become of Pollard, Morne, Dan Carter,Butch James, Jantjies, Thierry La Croix, Freddie Michalak and indeed even Henri Honiball (who was perhaps the toughest 10 of all) if they got a crack like that...it's just one of those unfortunate things that happen in rugby and indeed in other sports...some are not so lucky as Brian Baronet was or Chris Burger many years ago whose neck broken and died. It's a price that some have to pay.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
31 Aug 2018, 15:56
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31 Aug 2018, 15:56#30

Lambie is a player I've had a very close look at through the years. He could clasp ankles, but that was it. Opponents would target him specifically and march our defensive line back time and time again. It was great quick front foot ball. His pass wasn't very good. He had to crab to get some length. He was notorious for being charged down. He didn't have a big kicking game either, lacked range. Hospital passes were another thing. I'd ask his supporters to find me one authorative tackle for the Boks. Where was this attacking game he was supposed to have? It just wasn't there. If you had a scripted move he could run it generally well, if you wanted something more, it just wasn't there. He was overhyped, possibly the most overhyped in recent history.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but mine aren't without reason! 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Aug 2018, 17:08
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31 Aug 2018, 17:08#31

OK = that whole story of AO is a transcript and he only changed the name from, More Steyn to Lambie.

There is one moment in the 2014 AB test that indicates the quality of Lambie as a player.   The Springboks led in the game until Matfield was outjumped in a line-out circa ten minutes before game end and the AB's scored a try and consequently led by one point.

Near to the end of the game there was a 55 meter penalty awarded to the Springboks and Lambie kicked the conversion decisively contributing to the only Springbok win over NZ between 2012 to date.  The obvious fools actually claimed it was not  pressure kick at all.    

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
31 Aug 2018, 17:14
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31 Aug 2018, 17:14#32

I give Lambie credit. It was a great kick and a wonderful memory to have.

However, it was Pollard who scored the tries. Lambie missed a drop kick, unpressured right in front of the posts before the penalty. He also got knocked out of the way a llowing New Zealand to threaten for a breakout try. They got very close, but Duane saved the day with a breakdown penalty I believe. 

When all is said and done, Morné was berated for being a "kicking" fly half. When the biggest moment in Lambie's career came, it was to be a kick. How ironic. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Sept 2018, 05:38
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01 Sept 2018, 05:38#33
Not a pressure kick......a difficult kick for sure. But if he missed that kick nobody would have blamed him. A pressure kick would have been 5 metres outside the 22, 10 metres from touch.....the kind of kick he missed too often when the match was in the balance.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Sept 2018, 06:49
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01 Sept 2018, 06:49#34

The idiocy kept rolling on - this is one,  the other classic was a try saving tackle being a weak Liar the match was never really in the balance until Matfield's f#ck up in the case mentioned..   And where did you get that myth about missed penalties from?   Another outright lie I am afraid.      

Your idiocy and dishonesty are  really becoming a bore.   

OA

BS as per normal - Morne's kicks out of hand was described as BS - but since he could really be regarded as a good goal kicker - he never was berated for that.   How stupid are you really get ?.    

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
01 Sept 2018, 14:44
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01 Sept 2018, 14:44#35

Morné's kicks out of hand were supposedly awful, yet he averaged 77% retrieval rate for tactical kicks that weren't meant to find touch. That's the highest of any 10 I have ever looked at. How can someone be so wrong so often. He is like the real life antithesis of Neo from the Matrix! 

I now dub thee Oen. South Africa's very own anti-Neo. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Sept 2018, 15:36
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01 Sept 2018, 15:36#36

The moment you come up wit Morne - it reads like a weirdly invented fairy tale that never happened.   By the way it was not I who claimed that Morne's kicks were BS - it was the commentators and virtually all SA rugby supporters.

Hansen said he was totally predictable and as a result a dead loss as a flyhalf.

One thing I did say is the fact that  Morne's out of hand penalty kicks was a lottery - he missed to find touch 7 times in nine tests and that wa a fact as well.  Shows how inaccurate his ciks really were. 

And then there was his tackling nightmare.  In his last thee tests starting for ASA the posisiton was as follows:-

Tackles made      =      23

Tackles missed   =       15

MTR                   =      39,47%

The latter inf o is as bad as it gets. 

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
01 Sept 2018, 15:47
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01 Sept 2018, 15:47#37

Commentators. Name one. 

Hansen said he was predictable? When and where? Did he say "dead loss", or were you helping Hansen out by elaborating on what he did say? 

Missed 9 in 7. When and where? 

How convenient of you, selecting his last 3 tests, which just happened to be three Coetzee tests. To make it worse, he had de Jongh and Damian inside him. What a nightmare. What were Morné's tackle stats the rest of his career? High 80s? Mike the Clever so honest and astute missed all of these! 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Sept 2018, 06:54
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02 Sept 2018, 06:54#38

No celebrated world expert -  wrong in all respects

*   Morne's last three starting tests were one under Meyer in Perth and two under Coetzee.

*   Morne's defense started going to pieces in 2013 in the Johannesburg test,  Did he play outside of De Allende and/or De Jongh in the two Coetzee tests - or did the two played outside of him at outside of him at 12.  The latter was in fact the case and -

   -   when De Jongh was outside of him he made 7 tackles missing 3 as to be expected from him (although Mozart tried to hide the latter info from the site); and

    -  De Allende made 14 tackles missing 2 - which Mozart tried to highlight by omitting the number of tackles made  and claiming that De Allende was flawed and De Jongh not so.

No, you high and mighty analyst - Hansen said clearly - "We know what we can expect from Steyn - we do not know what to expect from Pollard". 

How is that to be interpreted in your celebrated opinion?  

   

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
02 Sept 2018, 07:45
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02 Sept 2018, 07:45#39

Thus is very funny. Hansen says he knows what to expect from Morné and you interpret that to him being predictable. Do you honestly think coaches don't know what 5 tear test veteran can do? Pollard on the otherhand was new. You took a simple statement and contorted it. You do amuse me so. 

In the Ellis Park test he never missed one defender who engaged him. Zero. He did miss at least 4 scramble tackles from behind - prevent ring two tries with others - and a drive from three forwards on the try line when he was the only defender on that side of the field. You are absolutely disgraceful Clever Mike. The lengths you will go to in order to uphold a lie. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Sept 2018, 07:57
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02 Sept 2018, 07:57#40

So my interpretation is weird amd yours is to ignore Hansen'sremarka nd saying he knew what to expect relates to Morne's wonderful performances previously.  Fact si Hansen became the AB coach after the 2011 WC.   In 2012 was drpped from the Springbok squad after his disastrous performances and in 2014 he was again dropped before the AB test in Joannesburg for the same reason.   

So the wonderful Morne played only played 4 matches against NZ while Hansen was coach and he failed badly in all four of those,   Unbelievable that Hansen did not kmnow that he was a failure at flyhalf.   So keep up the faiiy tales.     

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