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Now for the great Needle

Started by clevermike3 REPLIES226 VIEWS· 06 May 2013, 09:28
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 May 2013, 09:28
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06 May 2013, 09:28#1

Beeno and Saffex

Other than to run for your normal standrd excuses - how do you explain the fact that the useless Stormes are still ranked 10th on the log for Super 15.  Don;t give me excuses like bent refs, and injuries to players - we have been through all of that umpteen times.

With their player resources 9 should they have not done better than they did.   Is the fact that Coetzee inexplicable selections not the real problem.   Which coach in the world would not have gone meticulously through the performance history of Jantjies and even Taute before contracting them?   Taute one can understand - he had an excellent record at full back - then got injured and the Lions moved him to 13 - where he failed dismally before injury.   After injury he really looked like he bulked up during his recovery period and maybe lost some of his magic he had in 2010 and 2011,  Too much weight and loss of speed as a result.  

Jantjies - now that is inexplicable.   He always was POOR in defence, and had 50 negatives for every positive..  He alwats was poor when put under pressure and to avoid that he stood so far behind the gain line that he might as well have been in the car park.  What did he achieve since his arrival in Cape Town?   Really nothing of any value - he buggered up more games than anyone could imagine.   You name th game and he may have had one instance of good play - which in any event any reasonable flyhalf like Catrakillis, Grant or even Van Aswegen would have done in any event - and then bugger up completely in the rest of the games. 

You take every game the Stormers lost and you would find Jantjies played poorly in that game.   His supposed strong point - his goal kicking - was the main reason for the loss against the Bulls in Round one,  In the Sharks 2 game he was invisible,   Against the Chiefs he made two passes (one to Aplon and one to De Villiers) which a school boy fkyhalf would have made and suddenly he was the toast of the town.  That was followed by the disaster against the Crusaders - where he really caused the loss of the Stormers.    Whenever he did not play - the Stormers backline functioned better than when he did.   And then - when he was given the opportunity to make a drop goal on Saturday - he delivered a kick that was so poor that a schoolboy frontranker would have done better than him.   Horrible mistake in paying a fortune to have him in the Stormers team.   Make sure the ticket to Johannesburg is not a return ticket.  The sooner he gets leave from the Stormers team - the better it would be for them.

And then they have De Jongh.   He suddenly showed some improvement in his try-scoring ability, but his defence became a scare story.   He was supposed to be strong in that Department - but this year he averaged 25% in missed tackles.   That went up to 30% on Saturday - the epitome of the defensivve sieve,  Now Mozart would rave about his player - but I think he is a prime candidate to play for the Vodacom Cup - not for the Stormers or the WP CC team.  The Twickenham trick is used widely - so I think he would also let the Vodacome team down as a result.

So the Stormers will remain at `10 and after this coming Saturday go down to 12 - unless somebody manage to wake up Coetzee from his slumber and get proper team selection in place.

Ehat a disaster 2013 turned out to be for the Stormers - and Beeno keeps on raving about them and Mozart about De Jongh.  

Needling done - and now for the response.   I am not at the Kolisis stage yet - let that be left over for the nex instalment.

 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 May 2013, 10:47
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06 May 2013, 10:47#2

Ou maaaaikie not too bad for an amatuer stirrer and one appreciates your fairly lame afforts and trusts that better will one day emmerge. Unfortunately for you I have expressed simialr saentiments in all casaes but Jantjes. Here I adopted a wait and see appraoch given he would be playing in better company.

The Stormers like the sharks had injuries to key players and that has led to close losses arising against inferior teams. Jantjes missing all those kicks did indeed ensure a loss against the bulle and frankly luck has not been on our side. Some crucal mistakes has also cost us games and bent kiwi refs have also played a part.

Ou maaaike what you fail to grasp is that the log is pretty condensed and a couple of wins more and the whole picture changes.Such are the vagarancies of sport to the point of the ludicrous.

You clearly are getting muddled with this statement:

"Which coach in the world would not have gone meticulously through the performance history of Jantjies and even Taute before contracting them?   Taute one can understand 9Bwahhahahahahaha) - he had an excellent record at full back - then got injured and the Lions moved him to 13 - where he failed dismally before injury.

The release of CAt was a blunder and I am afraid ou Alistair once moore showed his lack of rugby acumen.

I agrree jantjes has cost us - the conclusion is that he does not have the head for the game. Makes too many errors. Whether this will change we shall see. Grat was vital too us but got injured. Another vital palyer was Tiaan.

Why Alistair dropped Allende boggles the mind.

Kolisi should not have been ahead of Deon Fourie at 6. Bezuidenhout should have been at hooker played very well when given the chance. However the clown Coetzee even preferred Scurra. I am afraid one big problem is the quota coach..

However down here we are made of sterner stull (as our two top ofthe log seaons bear testimony to) and we are NOT throwing in the towell yet. Read this and keep your powder dry:

Ex Superpsort:

They may have to do it the hard way like the Sharks almost did last year, but the DHL Stormers are not writing off their chances of this year being the one where they make good on their threat to win a Vodacom Super Rugby title.

A combination of bad luck and their own poor decision making robbed the Stormers of what would have been a deserved victory had they got over the line against the Blues in Albany at the start of the past weekend’s round of matches. They dominated long periods of the game, both in terms of possession and the physical hold they had over their opponents, but failed to make use of scoring opportunities.

Two late tries brought them back into the game after being down 15-3, to the extent that the Blues had to heave a massive sigh of relief when Elton Jantjies missed a last gasp chance to snatch victory with a drop-goal, leaving the Cape team short by just one solitary point. The 18-17 loss was the Stormers’ fifth defeat in nine starts, and they languish in 10th place with seven games to go.

This week is probably their last and very final chance if they want to challenge the Vodacom Bulls and Toyota Cheetahs for the South African conference title they won for the last two seasons, and thus book an easier passage through the play-offs. They are still not completely out of range of the Bulls and Cheetahs, who lead them by six and nine points respectively – in other words neither of them are more than two wins ahead and can still slip up.

However, both still have a bye to come, which means four automatic log points, something the Blls will profit from this coming weekend, to take them to 41 points. If the Stormers don’t beat the Waratahs in Sydney this week, it would mean they are 11 or 12 points behind with six games to play, and that may just be too many.

Stormers skipper Jean de Villiers though mentioned last week that it has been a funny competition, and that some “funny results” may still be on the cards and make the cut-off point for play-offs, which in the past has been around 60, lower than in the past. If the Stormers win most of their remaining games, not even all of them, they could still be in with a chance, and if they win all of them they might even still win the conference.

Coach Allister Coetzee has certainly not given up hope of doing that, telling the Cape media after the Albany defeat that although disappointed, he thought the Stormers still had “a big chance”.

There’s still a lot of rugby to be played, and we are of the view that we are still really not out of this. There is still a big chance for us and we are still together, tight as a team, and we need to make sure that we get the result in the next game.”

That last bit, winning the next game, might be the difficult part for the Stormers. They play mostly home games after they get back from tour, and with players coming back from injury and the uncertainty over which type of game to play now behind them, they should fancy their chances of beating the Reds (home), Kings (away), Cheetahs (home), Kings (home) and Bulls (home). Although they lost at the weekend, they do still look like a team gaining momentum and haven’t yet played to their capabilities.

But the Waratahs are a different kettle of fish in the sense that they also look like they’re gaining momentum. They were perhaps unlucky to lose to the Bulls if you consider they scored three tries in that match, but they really found their range against the Southern Kings this past weekend. Even accounting for the perception that this was a game that the Kings, who have had to play above themselves every week, just never pitched, and will always get smashed on such days, the all-round energy, purpose, power and confidence of the Waratahs team marks them as an extremely difficult team to stop now that they have a bit of momentum.

They beat the Chiefs the last time they played at home, so the Stormers know they will be up against it. But there is the carrot of knowing that their schedule becomes much easier after that, and victory will lay the table for a possible winning run at home.

They are going to have to play at least some of those games without lock De Kock Steenkamp, who left the field against the Blues with a sternum injury that will see him miss four weeks of rugby. However, Eben Etzebeth had an influence on the game when he came on in the second half for his first Super Rugby appearance of the season.

The ability of flanks Don Armand and Rynhardt Elstadt to play lock if they are needed has seen Coetzee grab the opportunity to call up Gerhard van den Heever to boost his back three options for the last two matches on tour. The Stormers play the Rebels in their last overseas match.

Wretched fortune doesn't go on forever and so watch this space as the mighty Stormers fight back.

As for the Sharks that dumbass Plumtree needs to get his pack right. That miserable loose trio he started with was plain dumb. Lightweights like mtemba and daniel are simply a no no. Add in Coetzee at a mere 106 and you have no clout at loose forward. Need one solid guy like Deysle at a minimum. Too many small guys and you are doomed. Sharks desparately need Beast, Bissie and Alberts back to give the pack even more clout. LIke the Stomers they too should have won and with a 5 pointer. That with 17 squad members out.

Man both the Stormers and Sharks are superior to anything nz have.  Now we have the Bulle and  Cheetahs going well. Shows how strong Sa rugby is really. I still say Prof Noakes should a full investigation into all these injures. Can ones luck be that bad?

 

 

 

 

 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 May 2013, 13:26
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06 May 2013, 13:26#3

Beeno

They called up Van den Heever - but will he play?  And will De Allende play to strengthen that sieve they call the Stormers backline?  And will they not play Jantjies?   Not bloody likely.  They will and the Waratahs will doa Kings on that lot.

And you wanted to give Jantjies  a chance to settle in in a better team?   It is now Round 13 of the Super 15 and he is still not settled in.  He is still the same as he was when he started - a real disaster for the Stormers.    Only a really consttant misreader of player performances - my dear friend Saffex - can always manage to praise this one.   

 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 May 2013, 16:00
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06 May 2013, 16:00#4

ou maaike if you want to needle 9A well worthwile occupaption I have to add) may i suggest you try doing where we disagree. My record shows we are in agreement with all things you mentioned. I have crited jantjies in recent months.

   ou maaaike sure is an amateur needler.

Look Maaaikie I had a number of guys in tears on my previous board without even trying! They would ask for a bit of needling and burst into tears when it was delivered.  To needle you have to be subtle. No use announcing it in bold headings etc.

Beeno starting off on a very low base with ou maaaikie the needle man!

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