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Started by Beeno112 REPLIES274 VIEWS· 25 Nov 2013, 23:41
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Nov 2013, 23:41
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25 Nov 2013, 23:41#1

Ex Keo


The Springboks were never troubled on their Northern Hemisphere tour. Now for the All Blacks in 2014. What Beeno thinks today the world think tomorrow oaks! )

The Springboks victory against France was emphatic. The scoreboard said nine points but it could have been 90 because France were never going to win in Paris from the moment JP Pietersen charged down Morgan Parra’s awful clearing kick with less than two minutes played.

Parra’s sluggishness and Pietersen’s vigour and growl summed up the two teams. France wanted to win but, given what they produced, clearly didn’t believe they could win. South Africa didn’t just want to win. They were desperate to win. And they played like a team that knew they could win.

SuperSport analyst and former Springbok coach Nick Mallett said afterwards that what has made 2013 a successful year for the Springboks is that they have beaten every team below them in the world rankings.

Mallett said that the ultimate prize was beating New Zealand but in the past Springbok teams have poxed the odd win against New Zealand and then stumbled against inferior teams.

Heyneke Meyer’s Springboks have achieved consistency in beating the teams one expects them to beat. France have been dealt with in Paris, Wales in Cardiff and Australia in Brisbane. Last year England were edged at Twickenham.

What remains is New Zealand, be it in New Zealand or South Africa. Next season shapes as the one in which this team has to break a four-Test losing streak against the All Blacks.

Paris delivered on the promise of the Boks forward game. It also told of the psyche of the team and the spirit within the Springboks.

All great coaches tell you that special teams are defined through their defence and not their attack. New Zealand, in winning the 2011 World Cup, did so with incredible defence (AND Craig Joiubert!!!). The evolved version of these World Cup winners beat France again a few weeks ago with a determined defensive effort.(And one lucky back handed pass that stuck!)

The special teams in history show a willingness to scramble on defence, to make tackles their mates have slipped and to celebrate a try-saving tackle as much as they do a try-scoring moment.

Meyer’s Springboks, like Jake White’s 2007 World Cup winners, currently have the double of desperation and desire. They also have a power game that is being complemented with an appreciation for the laws of the game and a respect for nuances of the breakdown.

The Boks have often dominated the set phases, even against the All Blacks, but this is the first year that the players appear to understand the finer detail around what makes for breakdown dominance.

There is no one fetcher that plays to the ball. One man makes the tackle and with his Bok team there are usually two or three in support waiting to slow down the attacking ball or win it back.

The Boks have adapted to how, especially Northern Hemisphere referees, interpret the breakdown. They simply don’t allow the attacker any grace to place the ball. The defending team appears to have all the rights and the Boks have figured this out.

It makes for uninspiring rugby because there is rarely quick ruck ball won and the bulk of the November internationals in the United Kingdom, Ireland and Europe have been about attrition, physical superiority and the odd moment of genius.

The Springboks, in the past, have been exposed for failing to adapt to these interpretations and for becoming frustrated and losing their heads.

Meyer’s Boks were composed in Paris but the calmness did not mean they were not committed and fierce in how they turned defence into their most attacking weapon.

The Springboks defended with such confidence that France could have had the ball all night and they would still only have been a danger to themselves.

This was a case of slow poison and about a very big man methodically and coolly strangling the life out of a decent sized man.

Willem Alberts and Bakkies Botha were brutal in the collisions. And it was all done legally. Flip van der Merwe and Duane Vermeulen were strong and Francois Louw was a menance to the French and a disruption to the flow of their ball.

The front row, with Coenie Oosthuizen at tighthead, never took a step back.

Centre Jaque Fourie’s defensive organization was also first class and the chase from Pietersen and Bryan Habana turned every hoisted kick into a good one.

France were the opposite. They were committed but not desperate in their approach. They were bullied up front and their backs were lazy because of it.

France, with their physicality nullified, never had momentum, and never had go forward ball. This negated the kicking game of their halfbacks and France, for all the myth about their flamboyance and attacking game, don’t have the backs to chase a game.

The Springboks backs were superior on attack and in skill level. They were simply superior.

Hwear hear well said.

Now for the wee abs who know the writing is on the wall. Beeno as usual getting it right.

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
26 Nov 2013, 00:01
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26 Nov 2013, 00:01#2
Beeno: as most posters don't understand you most of the time I take the liberty of explaining one of your oft used acronyms, i.e.:
"Wee ABs".
This stands for World Exulted & Eulogized (wee) All Blacks.
Beeno is a bit unctuous & does over-use the acronym but let it slide & take it as a measure of his respect for the no. 1 team in the world. Personally I if find it excessive but he never listens to me
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Nov 2013, 00:25
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26 Nov 2013, 00:25#3
 Sorry JW maybe I do over use the term. I could think of others of course like the powder puff abs? pp abs for short.Beeno always willing to oblige if possible!
Are you kiwis ready to face the problems of 2014?
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
26 Nov 2013, 00:30
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26 Nov 2013, 00:30#4
2014 is already in the bag beeno (ABB) see last posts under the thread "All undefeated in 2013...".
Once again Beeno, thanks for you help 
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
26 Nov 2013, 01:27
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26 Nov 2013, 01:27#5
 Crikey if the Worlds Excellently Exulted team is so bad then the boks must be utter shite ,which they are not .Bean-tween-brains do you despise the Mighty boks that much I mean come on they arent the ABS but they are pretty handy !Just-win just keep sending bean-dorks posts to the ABS they enjoy a motivational larrff at bean-brains expense !
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
26 Nov 2013, 02:28
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26 Nov 2013, 02:28#6
 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA JW too funny.
Beeno is right. The Boks deserve to win that Test Match.
2 things in that test irritated me:
1. the Boks are leading by 9points with time almost up on the clock and Morne attemptes a drop goal
2. Hollywood Habana when he was lifted late doing a Hollywood backflip to imitate someone driving him into the turf (almost injuring his own neck) and then quickly looking at the touch judge "did you see that" and won a yellow card. It was not only dangerous and unnecessary but the game was already won by then. There was no need.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Nov 2013, 03:51
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26 Nov 2013, 03:51#7

Beeno


The writer of the article must really be living in a dream world.  One aspect mentioned specifically is the following:-


"Willem Alberts and Bakkies Botha were brutal in the collisions. And it was all done legally."


Where he got that statement from is really the pits - it was never confirmed statistically.   Matter of fact it is so far away from reality that it really is delusional. 


If you believe that the Springboks can beat the All Blacks if they keep the following in the team - then  you must be living  in cloud cuckoo land:-


*   The defective slow and useless in attack Fourie at 13;

*    Robotic and defence-deficient Morne Steyn - one of poorest pivots in world rugby;

*   Willem Sloth Alberts as a loosie - who is one-dimensional and has always failed against the AB's in the past;

*   Bakkies Botha - who produced nothing in the tests he played in this year; and

*   Fat Steenkamp - the worst prop imaginable,


If those players are retained in the Springbok team playing NZ in the CR - the chances of the Sp ringboks beating the AB's is about zero.  If you want to beat the AB's  you must be able to defend against them properly and you must be able to attack through  playing a 15 man game.  


For that purpose you cannot play players whose weaknesses are easily exploitable by the AB's and if we want to achieve success the only way forward will be to replace them.   So don't get carried away by a newspaper story so far away from reality it is a joke.        

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Nov 2013, 09:58
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26 Nov 2013, 09:58#8
 ou maaaaikie given your dismal record this year and my consistently astute assements of matters you really shouldnt be talking of me livining in a dream world.
If I said to you I am prepared to give your team 7 points but then you must play us with 14 men for 40 minutes we all know what the rational answer is. Yes we should have won that test but for the ref blunder. We also would have won the Dunedin test but for a freakish goal kicking display. The Ellis park test we outplayed the abs as the stats showed and as the try scoring oppotunities created stat also showed.Then the Frogs really could have beaten the abs and Irealand definitely were the better side. We had a far more convincing tour than the abs.Etc etc
No ou maaaaikie Beeno as always is as sober as a judge. Furthermore have you noticed how many rugby folk are now talking about the Boks taking number 1? Why ou maaaikie because they are now seeing what Beeno has seen for ages.Your predictions of gloom and disparaging comments about certain players and Meyer himself have backfired terribly. Oh if only you had heeded my posts and saved yourself these problems but alas you would not!!!! Even now you foolishly say we have no hope of beating the abs because of whom Meyer seelcts.Ou maaaikie you have to grasp that Meyer is well ahead of you in rugby acumen. Bwahahahahahahahaha you are being schooled by Meyer but flunking the tests week by week. You cannot see Meyers strategy or thinking. Please pay more attention ou maaaikie. Read all Beenos post 10 times etc.Be especially circumspect about accepting kiwi bird brain propaganda (In nparticualr that hatter saSUE!), look beyond the scoreboard for the truth and perhaps the light will dawn for you.
I am always here to help of course - as I am for struggling kiwi bird brains like warped DUD
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Nov 2013, 11:33
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26 Nov 2013, 11:33#9

Beno


Keep on living in cloud cuckoo land and cloud 9.  We have yet to come to reality about beating the AB's.   So what will make us beat them in the RC?   We won 3 matches in the EOYT - they won 3.   We played France and they played France.   We beat France by  9 points - they beat France by 7 points.   What makes you believe that we were that much better than they were?   For the rest we played Wales and the poor Scottish team.   We struggled against Wales - and because of a refereeing mistake manage to beat them - we beat Scotland convincingly.


All this so-called superiority is a dream.   The AB's struggled against Ireland - so now suddenly we have them beaten. 


I am not convinced about us beating them in the CR - and that is a fact.   The Eden Park test aside - where Morne failed on two occasions to find the touchline from penalty kicks thus helped New Zealand to get a try - which gave them a bonus point.  Mozart blamed the Springboks for poor defence as the reason for the loss of the Ellis Park test.   I agree with him on that point - but the players whose defence lost that test for us were Morne Steyn, Alberts and Engelbrecht.  Of those Engelbrecht has been replaced by Fourie whose defence was not up to standard against the Welsh, better in the last two matches, but an absolute dud in attacking play.   Morne Steyn and Willem "Sloth" Alberts is still there and even in the French test showed that their defensive deficiencies are still there and will remain a handicap for us when we meet the AB's again next year.


Big talk will win us nothing - and that is a fact of life.   So keep on talking and don't tell me the talking of you  and others will beat the All Blacks - it won't.   

    

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Nov 2013, 18:58
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26 Nov 2013, 18:58#10
 Sorry oaks but its clear rugby men are today agreeing with me more and more as the facts speak for themselves. The days of these ab pretenders are over.
Keep your heads in the sand kiwi bird brains and you wont know what hit you.
Beeno has spoken. 
Even when it hits ou maaaikie he still wont know!  He will still blame Meyers preference for bulle players. And of course shocking choices like our man of the match Alberts 
I dont know about could and would Cloudy I am saying in 2014 they will. How about that! Beeno well ahead of the curve.
MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
26 Nov 2013, 19:08
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26 Nov 2013, 19:08#11
CONGRATULATIONS TO THE MIGHTY MIGHTY ALL BLACKS FOR AN UNPRECEDENTED 100% TEST WINNING SEASON!!!



08/06/13  All Blacks v France 23-13 (2:1) Eden Park, Auckland
15/06/13  All Blacks v France 30-0 (3:0) Rugby League Pk, Christchurch
22/06/13  All Blacks v France 24-9 (2:0)     New Plymouth    
17/08/13  All Blacks v Australia 47-29 (6:2) Stadium Australia, Sydney
24/08/13  All Blacks v Australia 27-16 (2:1) Westpac Trust, Wellington
07/09/13  All Blacks v Argentina 28-13 (3:1) Waikato Stadium, Hamilton
14/09/13  All Blacks v South Africa 29-15 (4:2) Eden Park, Auckland
28/09/13  All Blacks v Argentina 33-15 (4:0) La Plata
05/10/13  All Blacks v South Africa 38-27 (5:4) Ellis Park, Johannesburg
19/10/13  All Blacks v Australia 41-33 (4:3) Otago Stadium, Dunedin
02/11/13  All Blacks v Japan 54-6 (8:0) Prince Chichibu Stadium, Tokyo
09/11/13  All Blacks v France 26-19 (2:1) Stade de France, Paris    
16/11/13  All Blacks v England 30-22 (3:1) Twickenham, London
24/11/13  All Blacks v Ireland 24-22 (3:3) Lansdowne Rd, Dublin

very proud of u boys, and just look at that list of tough opponents, and u conquered them all.

friday the 13th is commonly known as black friday, so no surprises that the All Blacks should rewrite history in 2013, cos it has been a black year and then some.

on behalf of the uchiha clan and most folks here on sarugby.com, we thank u All Blacks for doing what no other nation could ever or will ever do.

GO THE MIGHTY MIGHTY UNSTOPPABLE ALL BLACKS!!!
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Nov 2013, 19:10
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26 Nov 2013, 19:10#12

Beeno


I agre with you about 2014, but there is a proviso - Meyer has to get rid of the under-achievers in the team. 

HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
26 Nov 2013, 19:14
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26 Nov 2013, 19:14#13
  hear that Beeno. Listen to the wisdom of Mike.
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