NZ 7s vs blitzbok cup final,,,

They also won in Glasgow without two of their best players in Cecil Africa and Branco du Preez.

Looks like nz are not very worthy champs - only one tournament win -Blitzbokke have three!

Blitzbokke on the rise! Writing on the wall stuff?

It may just fit between the World & Bledisloe Cups which means that inconsequential trophy (can't remember it's name) that we play the Boks for will have to be pushed back a bit!

The Nelson Mandela cup means nothing to you, but then again, you mean nothing to rugby. To the AB team and coaching staff that means everything!

Talking of farces, how about the late (and not great) Louis Luyt presenting Derek Bevan the Welsh referee with a gold watch after the 1995 World Cup Semi for disallowing Benazzi's certain last minute try against the Boks which would've eliminated them and therefore negated the need to poison the ABs for the Final?

That's a farce!

Oh and I forgot to mention the Rugby Championship Trophy before....where oh where are we going to store that?

By the way Logic, the Nelson Mandela Trophy is played between the Boks and Wallabies.......Logic once again proving himself  a mastermind of all things rugby...NOT!

Louis Luyt presented the watch to Derek Bevan AFTER the game, not before. Its not like he said, hey, make sure we win. Here is a gold watch for you to make sure that happens. He presented it at a dinner after the game had been played. Needless to say, Bevan did not accept and walked out of the room. If it had been something they had spoken about, surely Bevan would have said do not present it to me in public. Shows how innocent Louis Luyt was in his gesture that he did it on stage in front of many onlookers. Back then, he would not have thought anything of it. Only in the modern professional era would a coach think about that. Now why oh why I ask with tears in my eyes, would he do something like that in such an open environment if there was a motive behind it and would it not have been done pre game? Would he not have done it under covers and would Bevan do it for a watch?? Get real.

What was done undercovers though was Bryce Lawrence but I still believe the truth will come out one day. Bryce was quick to lose his job as a backlash from Kiwi's to get him out of the spot light before the weak son of a bitch cracks and confesses and brings NZL rugby into further disrepute! Thats what happened there. Get him of the world stage, let him fade into the background before he cracks under pressure, just like the AB's of 1995 and 1999, and 2003 and 2007 ;-) Bryce was your guinea pig to make sure you guys didnt crack again at the hands of the Boks but it almost backfired as the French smashed you up and old Joubert had a tough time trying to keep his whistle in his pocket when ou McCaw was frantically digging around the rucks to save his team.

Joubert must have been like, " Fuck sakes Richie. I am doing everything possible here but this is getting obvious now. Start fucken playing rugby because there is only 1 team on this field at the moment!! Is this how you repay Bryce? You ruin his career then choke in the final to a team you walked over in pool play?"

Richie, "There is nothing we can do Craig! Our wee forwards are blowing hard. We cant stop this French flair and passion! They are all over us! Just keep your whistle in your pocket. If we lose yet another WC, I will kill myself! I cant handle the questions that come after it. Not again. Please Craig. PLEASE!!"

I fully agree craig was bad in that final and haneded to cup to the abs. A great blot on our refs I have to say. French were by some way the superior side and the French were as we also know pretty average. Quite rightl ydid the french players complain tha tthe ref didnt want them to in the game itwas sooooo obvious.

If you have any doubts watch this:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuIuXrwPCcc&feature=youtu.be

saSUE you have lost the last three matches played against the Blitzbokke and all were finals. At what point in time does this become a problem? It would seem to me the Blitzbokke have the wood on you guys?

Wouldnt it be nice if this ref issue would go away and kiwis suddenly would become honest fair go mate types? Wishful thinking alas!

I commented elsewhere about theissue of the Sevens series.   I am of the opinion that the point sttructure of the series favours consistency of the team throughout the series - not necessarily tournament wins.   Provided a team is constantly in the top four in each tournament - they can be tops in the series as a whole.   The opposing team can win half of the tournaments and if they do badly in 2 -they will not be the series champion.

That is what happened in this case.   Despite just one wictory in seven tournaments this year - the All Blacks is way out on top of the log.   This is largely the rsult of yo-yo performances by the other teams in the competition.  Although winning three out of seven tournaments - the Blitzbokke fell off the bus in the Dubhai and  Hong Kong tournaments and that put pay to their chances of really been competitive on the final log.

With a view to the WC in June and in the longer run - the Olympics in 2016 - I believe the All Blacks should do what they did in the past on a regular basis - that is to be regular tournament winners as well.   At this stage they are bridesmaids - never the bride.   They can have one consolation - it only happened once before - namely that the same team that won the Glasgow (preiously the Edinbourgh)  tournament win the London tournament a week later.  That leaves the door open for the All Blacks to win this one - but it is a very small opening at that.

Hope they do well.     

If there should be any head hanging, it should be coming out of NZL.

Louis Luyt innocent? He deliberately went out of his way to publicly present the watch to Bevan to stick it up the ABs and the world rugby hierarchy in general! Why would he give him the watch PRIOR to the match when the service had yet to be rendered??

 To make matters worse he then attempted to belittle the 1987 & 1991 World Cups by stating the Boks would've won those tournaments if they'd been allowed to compete. I notice he didn't come forward in 1999, 2003 and 2011 to explain why the Boks didn't win those as well but guess he was probably dribbling custard by that stage anyway.

Thanks for the insight into the conversation between Richie and Craig by the way. You do have some great sources.

Oh and tell Hasbeeno I haven't been "scholled" at all and it's about time he went back to "scholl" (which I believe was Broederbond Elementary) to study English.

If you believe that Luyt did that in the way you say then you are more naive than I thought. No guy in their right mind would do that. Why would Luyt subject himself to that? Use your head.

This is just a deflection from you for the confirmed cheat Bryce Lawrence. Use your investigative skills and get to the bottom of that one!!

Bevan ruled out the try to keep the Boks IN the Cup, not to penalise the ABs you idiot!

And I think we've proved on multiple occasions that we can indeed beat the Boks......witness again our trophy cabinet.

I believe your cabinet is in the care of one Ms Hubbard at present and she reckons she's got the job for life!

I am sorry you went on to make that kind of remark about Dr Luyt - who recently passed away.   I know him well and was on friendly terms with him - and can assure you that he was anything but a ponch.   In any event as far as I am aware  that watch was a gift after the game was played - not before the game - so I think you are talking crap in this case.

I admire the All Blacks for their achievements on the rugby field and give them credit where credit is due.   I do not admire the rubbsih often enough spouted in this form by either SA or New Zealand members of this site.  The 1995, 2007 and 2011 World Cups are history and nothing we write about it can change the fact - what should be the norm is present rugby performances and what is happening in 2013 and from there onwards.  That is really my view on issues. 

Some calls go your way some dont and if that was a French try, its just one of those things but Bevan was unsure therfore can not award a try. He did the right thing and you know it. You will never admit it because you are a fool but that is the truth.

Yes, NZL had the more polished team in 95'. Yes, if that game was played 10 times, NZL might have won 9 of them but they didnt win the one that counted and that hurts you more than anything doesn't it. You had 1 shot at it and you blew it. The Boks were simply the better team on the day. Your secret weapon in Lomu went a whole career without scoring a try against the mighty BOKKE. ha ha we are just too good. Dont keep referring to your trophy cabinet like we are in awe of you. We saw the run you had to the WC final. We associate that cup with Bryce Lawrences face. It was a farce and yet again, you guys blew it. It took a kiwi ref to get rid of the Boks and a Bok ref to ensure you tossers won..How ironic! Biggest joke in WC history the 2011 edition!!

And I know you guys are  not in awe of us, but it sure winds jerks like Logic & Pedsman up, oh and Hasbeeno too!

You can deal with the other posters anyway you deem fit - but the insult of the late Dr Luyt was really uncalled for.  As any amount of hankering to the past will help here - and it is best to ignore rubbish when it appears in this forum and concentrate on facts and the future.

I am really a supporter of any teams playing well - but critical if they do have deficiencies that is clear in the games in question - irrespective of the counntry of origin of the teams.  However, unlike some members I do not spare the local sides - and that includes the Springboks - from criticism when they deserve it.  I am probably harsher in my criticism of SA teams than I am of any opposing teams and that I believe is a sound way to deal with issues. .

The way you speak, you would swear blind Bevan blew the French out the game ala Bryce Lawrence... I suppose in your books, Dr Luyt told Bevan, in the last play of the game, Benazzi is going to cross the line for a try. Make sure you do not award it!! ha ha it was one incident and I ask you to please have a look at the clip and tell me where you see the ball cross the line:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AmSK-IkzK0

If you cant see it in real time, how can Bevan. ha ha you are delusional. If you wana see cheating, search bryce clips on youtube..