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NZ flag change??? o_O

Started by Monkey D Luffy12 REPLIES502 VIEWS· 29 Jan 2014, 17:55
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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
29 Jan 2014, 17:55
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29 Jan 2014, 17:55#1
NZ flag 'often confused' for Australia
Well-known New Zealanders are adding to calls to change the New Zealand flag, saying it is often confused with the Australian flag.


Prime Minister John Key has indicated a referendum on changing the flag could be held at the same time as this year's election.


The idea has gained support from former Governor-General Dame Catherine Tizzard.


"Our flag and the Australian flag is so often confused for one another and the symbolism of our flag is a bit out-dated," she says.


While Phoenix and All Whites Footballer Ben Sigmund agrees the trans-Tasman flags are too alike.


"Our flag is too much like the Australian flag so John Key I think you should change it mate."


Earlier today, Mr Key said changing the flag is a constitutional issue and while the Government could just make a change, it wouldn't do so without a referendum. 


The referendum would offer New Zealanders the choice of the current flag or an alternative chosen by the Government.


He says he is going to talk to senior ministers but the issue is likely to be "parked".


"I'm not of the view it's likely to become a referendum at this election," he told reporters outside a plastic recycling plant in Lower Hutt today.


He says the public is probably split 50-50 and it is good to have a debate about the issue.


"If you'd asked the question right after the Rugby World Cup it might have been more 60/40 in favour."


United Future leader Peter Dunne is supporting the possibility of a referendum, saying he would like to see the Union Jack removed.


Mana leader Hone Harawira and NZ First leader Winston Peters also said they would support a change, while Maori party co-leader Tariana Turia said she wasn't opposed to the idea.


However, ACT Leader John Banks has rejected the ide a.


"Men fought under that flag and many sacrificed their lives," says Mr Banks.


"I'm a bit old fashioned I don't want the name of the country changed, the flag changed."
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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
29 Jan 2014, 18:03
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29 Jan 2014, 18:03#2
stupid fucking idea, leave the flag as it is. if ur going to change it, then change when im 6ft under,

i love the NZ flag, and while i can see others from outside of australia and NZ mistaking the two flags, those with whom the flag represents know the difference, and thats all that should matter.

i loved what ACT leader john banks had to say, men have fought under that flag and sacrificed their lives.

im also proud of our connection to the commonwealth, always have been and as always will be.

i really hope the flag stays as it is, just like i hope those muppets in parliment try and do their job and tackle the issues that matter, unemployment, poverty and asset sales to name a few.
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sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
29 Jan 2014, 18:58
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29 Jan 2014, 18:58#3
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Crusaders#1Club Pro179 posts
30 Jan 2014, 14:57
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30 Jan 2014, 14:57#4
 This seems to pop up every so often...both sides of the Tasman ...bout ten year ago I was at a one dayer between nz and oz  in melbs ...had my 2 metre NZ flag with me ...a herald sun photographer came round and  took some photos...couple of days later we were in the paper with the headingWho's gonna tell these kiwis there flag looks too Australian!At the time I was pretty dirty on the paper...as we won the cricket in a nail biter...and should have been on the front page!!!hahahaBut...I wouldn't trade in our red stars for anything!!like you say bro we know the difference ...that's all that matters...No way would an ozzy mistake our flag for theres either they love there flag more than anything!

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Jan 2014, 15:08
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30 Jan 2014, 15:08#5

South Africa changed its flag twice - once in 1926 and once in 1994.   I do not really see a reason for the change of flags in the case of New Zealand and Australia.   They never had the problems a large section of the local community in SA had with the England and the consequences of Apartheid.


Both changes stemmed from historic changes in Government - and there is no reason to my mind to change it - since it is part of the history of New Zealand.


Incidentally Canada changed its flag - but I think it had mo re to do with pacifying the French in Canada (Quebec) than anything else.  


   

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PapamoaClub Pro683 posts
31 Jan 2014, 15:00
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31 Jan 2014, 15:00#6
 change it. Don't like the British union jack. Yes Sas many have fought for the flag, BUT far more have been recklessly slaughtered threw foolish pomy ideas. Gallipoli for example. Our identity is not what it use to be. Like it was say 50 years ago or more.

 NZ is unique,  the AB are unique and i wave a black flag with a silver fern. Not a blue one with the British union jack. Time to move on create a new legacy not cling to a false and bloody one. Besides my heritage is Scottish, family moved to NZ in mid 1800. Ask the Scots about British imperialism.
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
31 Jan 2014, 15:11
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31 Jan 2014, 15:11#7
Why don't you Kiwis just adopt the AIG logo as your national flag?
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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
31 Jan 2014, 17:02
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31 Jan 2014, 17:02#8
Rooinek: AIG does not fit the national image for the flag, lol (we were kind enough to let them sponsor the ABs but that's it). Plus we would have to purchase the rights & we need to save our funds for ensuring the refs are "well compensated" 
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
31 Jan 2014, 18:46
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31 Jan 2014, 18:46#9

 I'm wit you Sasu.... Key calling for a flag change referendum in an election year might be just a ploy to get more of his voters guaranteed to turn out and vote against it...he himself would probably prefer just adding another star to the Stars and Stripes...

 

...it's also been said New Zealand's "unique" national identity was forged on the blood-soaked slopes of Gallipoli not to mention the Somme...and the burgeoning numbers commemorating Anzac Day events each year suggest that New Zealanders strongly believe that the past matters.

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AgPleezDeddyClub Pro900 posts
31 Jan 2014, 21:02
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31 Jan 2014, 21:02#10
 To the New Zealand posters, what's the general consensus in the country about the current flag?
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
31 Jan 2014, 21:29
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31 Jan 2014, 21:29#11

 ...thats why they're having a referendumb but they like spending millions of taxpayers hard earned dosh on referendums and then completely ignoring the result anyway...

...poll i saw over 50% want to keep it as it is...others want to incorperate the silver fern into the flag somehow...e.g

 

 

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
31 Jan 2014, 21:36
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31 Jan 2014, 21:36#12
Okay, fair enough JustWin, but I really would like to help you guys out so here's another suggestion . . . how about a set of shattered cricket stumps on a field of green with the number "26" underneath?
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poi-ePro1,044 posts
31 Jan 2014, 22:35
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31 Jan 2014, 22:35#13
Soldiers didn't just fight for a flag, they fought for ideals , values and beliefs, that don't die because of a flag change.  What has changed is our association with the commonwealth, I used to be opposed to a flag change until I spent 6 years in the UK and realise how little NZ registers on the British consciousness, and how little the NZ association with the Commonwealth is valued.  
The Commonwealth has no value for NZ, not for trade, certainly not for immigration, it is by and large redundant, a throw back to an era where we were required to send our soldiers to die on behalf of our loyalty to a country and monarchy that sadly doesn't value the relationship as much as NZ ever has.
I'm all for NZ having an identity distanced from Britain and sadly one of the most visible ties we still hold is in our flag, that doesn't mean leaving the commonwealth, after all a number of countries don't have the union flag incorporated into their flag but are still part of the Commonwealth. It doesn't mean forgetting our history or the sacrifices made by others, it's about identity, its about being ourselves, about being recognisable as NZ.  I'm all for that, time for a change.
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