FIXTURESNo upcoming fixtures — check back soon.
FORUM / RUGBY /  NZ Gatland blames referee for Welsh Defeat

NZ Gatland blames referee for Welsh Defeat

Started by sharkbok12 REPLIES349 VIEWS· 01 Dec 2013, 21:02
SHAREXFACEBOOKWHATSAPPTELEGRAMREDDITLINKEDIN
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
01 Dec 2013, 21:02
#1
01 Dec 2013, 21:02#1
Gatland questions ref after Aus defeat01 December 2013, 00:05

Wales coach Warren Gatland questioned the decision of referee Wayne Barnes to award Australia what turned out to be the decisive try in the Wallabies' 30-26 win in Cardiff on Saturday, saying the Englishman might have behaved differently if New Zealand had been involved.

Joe Tomane went over in the 48th minute at the Millennium Stadium, the wing doing brilliantly to gather up on the bounce a poor pass from Israel Folau.

But it appeared Folau's pass may have gone forward, although, under a recent ruling by the International Rugby Board, because his hands went backwards in the act of passing, that was sufficient for Barnes not to disallow the try.

"The referee made the decision himself, without the TMO (television match official). 


I doubt he would have made that decision himself if it was the All Blacks playing."

Gatland's words may cause raised eyebrows in his native New Zealand where Barnes still hasn't been forgiven in some quarters for allowing a France try from a 'forward' pass that contributed to the All Blacks' shock 2007 World Cup quarterfinal loss at the Millennium Stadium.


Unsurprisingly, Australia coach Ewen McKenzie had a very different view of Tomane's try, one of five in all scored in a breathless match where centre Christian Leali'ifano and fullback Folau also crossed for the Wallabies and Wales wing George North touched down twice.

"We've had five or six of those denied during the year," said McKenzie after Australia recorded their ninth straight victory against 2015 World Cup pool rivals Wales.

"As far as I know, the pass has come out of the hands backwards and that's it. I think there has been a lot of discussion in the refereeing group and from what I saw that's exactly the way they adjudicated that... the circumstances around that are quite clear."

BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
01 Dec 2013, 21:20
#2
01 Dec 2013, 21:20#2

Always gunna be contraversy with passes being forward or not as no cameras can cover every possible angle but did'nt see the game...did the Aussies dodge a bullet ? What's the consensus Sharkbok? 

The Welsh are a very proud rugby nation and historically were the team to beat...and a loss will only strenghten their resolve...nothing like a grudge match to lift performances as the Kiwis found out to their detriment on the weekend...

RE
redsmanPro1,710 posts
02 Dec 2013, 05:49
#3
02 Dec 2013, 05:49#3
 Clearly went backwards you dumbass kiwis...
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Dec 2013, 12:02
#4
02 Dec 2013, 12:02#4
It was a forward pass. He collected it two strides ahead of where it was passed. This IRB ruling is a nonsense. No ref can judge whether a ball goes backwards out of the hands....simply because the hands themselves can be either past or behind parallel.
The better rule would have been if the passer is ahead of the receiver....just as in a kick. That can be judged properly.
There are some very dumb people making rugby rules.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
02 Dec 2013, 12:43
#5
02 Dec 2013, 12:43#5

Good ol' Barnsey will have another story to tell his mates at the pub:

 

"Yeah boys, I put an end to the Welsh cockiness. I had to put right that forward pass ruling I made against the ABs back when I was a wee lad so now I have ruled one against an NH team that puts thing in balance. Right?"

RE
redsmanPro1,710 posts
03 Dec 2013, 08:20
#6
03 Dec 2013, 08:20#6

 Mozart I refer you to youtube to watch a very simple explanation of the forward pass rule -

 

It is simple physics....

 

On every replay it showed the ball leaving Folau's hand backwards - NO doubt it then travelled forward by the momentum of the Folau running at the line.

 

IT was 100% correct and Cloudy - Barnes is a POM - you know the bunch who have just severely sooked it after their flogging in the first Ashes...

 

I think Barnes is now the premiere Ref in the game - he is fair and unbiased and not afraid to decide things without intervention from dubious sources...

 

FTR I would have been interested to know what the TMO was going to rule on this even though.....????

BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
03 Dec 2013, 10:50
#8
03 Dec 2013, 10:50#8
 Mozart...it gets worse...QC got binned for stopping a certain try did'nt he...penalty try should've been awarded i think.. clearly the Welsh were ripped off there as well..
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
03 Dec 2013, 11:19
#9
03 Dec 2013, 11:19#9
 The Welsh and the Wallabies deserve each other
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
03 Dec 2013, 18:12
#10
03 Dec 2013, 18:12#10
don't ever let me cross you Cloudy with those big guns you carry
RE
redsmanPro1,710 posts
04 Dec 2013, 06:00
#11
04 Dec 2013, 06:00#11

 Cloudy-Headed - Actually mostly irish - that is those of the 2% of aussie that have convict ancestry.

RE
redsmanPro1,710 posts
04 Dec 2013, 06:31
#12
04 Dec 2013, 06:31#12

Funny how you are using the term Bogun when I doubt very much you have any concept of what it actually means....

 

FACT: Bogun's watch rugby league and doubt they would care enough to post on a saffa rugby site... Boguns generally don't go to university / attend elite private schools and own companies.... wrong on all accounts........ keep tryin...

 

You surely are showing how Cloudy-Headed you indeed are....

 

Perhaps you should look @ history books (if you can read...) and see that large percentage of convicts were ACTUALLY Irish..............

 

 

 

RE
redsmanPro1,710 posts
04 Dec 2013, 06:33
#13
04 Dec 2013, 06:33#13

hahahaahah lol -

 

 Wikipedia of course being the most reliable source of information..... hahaaha showing you deficiencies there CLoudy-Headed.....

— END OF THREAD —

More from Rugby

More news