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NZ slaughter minnows whilst the Boks are kinder and leave them some self respect!

Started by generaltit8 REPLIES195 VIEWS· 02 Nov 2014, 18:33
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GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
02 Nov 2014, 18:33
#1
02 Nov 2014, 18:33#1

Can you figure this out...maybe it is a clear cut indicator in the different styles and way the AB's differ from us...does it tell us something.I think it obviously does, serious this does differ apart from from common knowledge.


In 1995 we won the WC and only managed to beat 2 minnows by these margins (Romania 21-8 in Cape Town  and Canada 20-0....that same competition NZ whipped Japan 145-17.


In 1999, SA beat Spain 47-3 (first time qualifier) and Uruguay 39-3 whilst that same competition NZ humiliated Italy (not really a true minnow...have beaten France twice since then) 101-3. The following WC in 2003 they beat them again by 70-7 and again in 2007 by 76-14.


In 2003 SA scored 72-6 against poor Uruguay and were challenged by a good win over Georgia, 46-19...which was not actually embarrassing for new comers and minnows...to get 19 points.


Comes 2007 where once again we lifted the title but it was touch and go with Tonga 30-25, whereas NZ continued to bully and embarrass poor Portugal, 108-13...I just hope oneday if NZ makes the WC in soccer they don't meet......and then unfortunate Romania 85-8...a team so poor financially that carried their kit in supermarket plastic bags in 1995.


In 2011 NZ went to town on Canada and demolished them 79-15 and now a day ago the Eagles, 74-6.


Any thoughts on this???



JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
02 Nov 2014, 18:54
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02 Nov 2014, 18:54#2
Seb: the ABs had a goal, i.e. to treat this game like an early round game in the RWC & thus to use it as preparation for the tougher games ahead on this tour & by analogy in the RWC. 
So, it was not about compassion or mercy but about AB's being clinical. It is unfortunate that the Eagles were on the receiving end of it though.
Here is an exert from an article in the NZ Herald which make a similar point:

"There was never a hint of the All Blacks being anything other than ruthless in both mindset and execution and it's apparent that they hopped on the plane last week determined to drive their last four performances to a higher level.

In the background is the World Cup and this whole idea they are simulating what they are likely to encounter in the back half of next year's tournament.

If there was one overwhelming lesson they learned in 2007 it is that they can't doddle through the pool rounds - running up cricket scores and playing props in the loose forwards as they did - and then be slow to make the mental transition into preparing for the brutal world of knockout rugby.

The intensity has to be the same regardless of the opposition and that's why the attitude shown against the USA was the most pleasing aspect for the coaches.

The benchmark has been set high. Now the team to play England has to take it higher."

GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
02 Nov 2014, 19:42
#3
02 Nov 2014, 19:42#3
I think you answered that quite well and I believe that the difference is in the way the AB's approach EVERY game, ironically the exception has always been France for some reason or other but there again all credit must go to France because they play very clever rugby when it comes to these arenas...maybe they foil the AB's with variation and unexpected tactics...which has worked for them time and time again...they missed the unbelievable to most rugby critics by a mere point in NZ, an accolade that any nation would take consolation in.

The other point is the AB's never take their foot off the pedal and I think they are very objective and really enjoy the try scoring part of the game which afterall is what true rugby is about.

The Boks tend to play each game as they find it and sometimes take caution to get going...there is a bit of conservatism there like England also tends to play. Afterall your name says it all...Just Win ...that's all what counts.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
02 Nov 2014, 19:55
#4
02 Nov 2014, 19:55#4
Exactly Seb 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Nov 2014, 20:05
#5
02 Nov 2014, 20:05#5
The only slightly aberrant note was Savea being put away,  looking for all the world like a shoo  in at the corner, only to be caught from behind by the US defender.
SBW looked terrific and Carter looked fluid. The NH tests should be quite interesting.
PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
02 Nov 2014, 20:28
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02 Nov 2014, 20:28#6
Blaine Scully is a real competitor. That was a great tackle on Savea.
PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
02 Nov 2014, 22:13
#7
02 Nov 2014, 22:13#7
The commentary was something quite different, but every enjoyable as you said Cloudy. A bit apologetic towards the end when the score ballooned, but that's understandable.
CL
ClaydogClub Pro691 posts
03 Nov 2014, 05:08
#8
03 Nov 2014, 05:08#8
 I must say I did not enjoy the commentary. I just could not reconcile rugby commentary coming from an American. They also seemed to be members of the All Black appreciation club. We get the picture. There were so many references to best in the World, the best there is, but I found it amusing that even they began questioning the All Blacks sneaking over the offside line and wondering how they were allowed to get away with it.
PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
03 Nov 2014, 05:30
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03 Nov 2014, 05:30#9
Yeah that's what I meant when I said they got a little apologetic towards the end. I think they were making sure their local audience understood the All Blacks credentials to explain the lopsided score. That mostly happened towards the second part of the second half though. I was apprehensive at first about the commentary, actually checked to audio channels for a possible alternative, but in the end it was fine with some interesting little perspectives, like mentioning the politeness with which the referee and players communicate as opposed to some of their local sports.
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