Oom Maaik the surprising liar

Oom Maaik positions himself on here as a good old boy....surprising then that he is a deliberate liar. After another rant about de Jongh in which he said de Jongh missed tackles for tries, I asked him to come up with examples. He said the following:

"Insofar as missed tackles leading to tries is concerned - one in the Cheetahs game and one in the Brumbies game."

Now the missed tackle by de Jongh on Speight in the Brumbies game was marginal and has been discussed before. De Jongh was rushing into the defensive line from the other side of the movement and Speight moved inside him. De Jongh hardly got a hand on him. But let's accept that.

But the Cheetahs? The first Cheetahs try came from a kick ahead by Le Roux after a charge down. Juan was nowhere near the movement or Ebersohn when he scored. And the second Cheetahs try came from the Pretorius snap take off Groom's boot. Again...de Jongh was nowhere near.

This old coot deals in half truths, but it appears he also deals in outright, deliberate lies.

Mozart

And you are any better - you lied about a two tackles missed by Jordaan on Fruean and that was deliberate as well.  You are equally guilty and it is indeed so that I made a mistake with the second try in the case of the Cheetahs game - where DE jONGH MISSED FOUR TACKLES.

However, the real debate was on the issue of defence and De Jongh's defence was atrocious this year - missing 25% of all attempted tackles.   This is a fact - and the fac that he missed the tackles because he goes into a tackle situation aggressively is rubbis  - if not another fabrication on your part.   He gets run over regularly and that is a fact.

I think we should both stick to factual situations and not fabricate things.   If you want to use stats in certain cases - use it in all cases.  Don't nitpick and ignore stats when it does not suit your argument.   I would select Jordaan ahead of De Jongh all the time - he is a better center and a better defender and his stats prove that all the time.

It was  a lie Maaik....I told you I never remembered anything like it....and you just flat lied.

As for Fruean running over Jordaan twice. He did. The once he broke clean through him....the other time he made 4 metres from the time of contact before Jordaan dragged him down by his shirt tails.....by which time he offloaded leading to a try. The commmentator said:

"He (Fruean) gets on the outside of Jordaan, sucks in Ndungane and because of that it opens up the space".

The fact is Jordaan went high, got swotted, his man got past the defensive line and a try resulted. It's as plain as that.

But back to your lying and half truths. It's pretty pathetic....straighten up and fly right you old coot.

Hey guys...ease up...I do not believe anyone is lying...just made human error which we are all (except Saffex of course...haha) guilty of.

Someone of note once said..."to err is human".

Hey, peoples in glass houses, stop throwing stones...

Good on you for promoting peace Chabal....blessed are they and all that.

Okay we'll call it a "huge, stupid, careless, unbelievable, unnecessary, pigheaded, vindictive" mistake. How's that? Is that easy enough ? Actually I like Oom Maaik, but he must be on some kind of smart ass medication. His whole personality has changed.

I'll make peace.   But that doesnot mean I need not differ when i feel like it.   I am on no medicatio that could account for my moods.   Did you read about what happened to Steyn, though?   It seems to be very serious and even life-threatening.  I am sorry for the guy - it may be thend of his rugby playing career.

Agreed, Mike is a good lad but for some reason he has changed and does resort to bullshit to make a point. Hell I was told I was lying about Frans being 25 only to counter ou Mike with the facts that he was 25.

He has apologised for his petty crap, I will go with that as it was really becoming tiresome.

As for Jordaan and Fruean.........Jordaan was embarrassed by Fruean twice, showing him up for his lack of physicality. Once he ran straight over him, the second time he handed him off with ease.

While I dont rate de Jongh because of his lack of physicality, he has never been embarrassed like Jordaan was by Robbie and therein lies the difference.

Okay, that's it, the stench of hypocrisy on this thread is becoming overwhelming and I can't hold my tongue any longer.

I'm not evn going to bother with the stinking irony of Moffie - the most dishonest, childish, spiteful, vindictive and deceitful loser I've ever encountered - calling someone else a liar, but Dave this is for you . . .

First off, while you and I agree on some things and we disagree on others, I know that we liked one another's company when we met up and I consider us to be mates so please, take this in the spirit it's intended because I wouldn't say this if I didn't think you'd overstepped a boundary.

Okay, I believe that ou Maaik had absolutely nothing to apologise to you for and, if any apology was necessary, it should have been from you to him. I say that because in all the exchanges between you and ou Maaik over the last few weeks, it's invariably been you calling him things like "stupid prick" or calling him a "f*cking liar". While he may have resorted to the occasional personal insult, it's been nowhere near the levels that you've used and he's always been apologetic when he's realized he's lost a bit of self-control. Furthermore, you persist in calling ou Maaik a "liar" because his opinion is different to yours, not because he's lying about anything. Ou Maaik may have misrepresented some stats or made some mistakes with numbers or stats but it's nothing we don't see every day from just about every poster who uses stats to his advantage (especially the board clown who has the most to say about stats with the least understanding of how to interpret them).

When I saw ou Maaik's apology to you I was really hoping you'd respond by thanking him for being the bigger man, laughing it off and telling him that an apology wasn't required . . . but here you are, not only "accepting" an apology that you didn't really deserve in a rather magnanimous manner, but dismissing all his arguments and contributions as "petty crap" that was becoming "tiresome" for you. Dave, I'm 100% certain that I'm not just speaking for myself when I say that your overbearing anti-Maaik bluster was becoming just as tiresome for everyone else, if not a lot more so.

I notice that you've made some kind of peace with Moffie . . . the same person who attacked you in a personal capacity on an internet crusade that lasted for years rather than weeks or even months, who called you all sorts of disparaging names and who lied about everything to do with you from your job to your integrity to your intelligence to your lifestyle to your physical dimensions . . . and I don't recall a single apology from him . . . but here you are dumping all over a real gentleman like ou Maaik while cuddling up to the repulsive and stinking liar who attacked you obsessively for about 3 years . . . or even longer.

I remember when you and I discussed some of the board members at our meeting and we had the same take on both Moffie and ou Maaik. One we agreed was a likeable old codger who we sometimes made fun of but who has a heart of gold and always conducted himself like a thoroughly decent person and the other, we agreed, was a despicable human being deserving only of contempt. Looks like things have changed quite significantly from your point of view in the last few months . . . but frankly, reading through the message here every day, I cannot see for the life of me why!

Okay, rant over. Personally I think you owe ou Maaik an apology just as much - if not more - than he owes you one but that's none of my business. What I do consider my business is telling a friend when he's out of line . . . and trusting that it won't risk our friendship. Cheers.

 I apologise to Oom Maaik and the rest of the board for my childish behaviour. 

I will not insult anyone or accuse them of being a liar if they disagree with my opinion.

All I ask is why cant people understand that my opinion on Rugby is fact? 

Fools, Idiots, **%&%*%(%%*^ Idiots,Idiots, Fools, catch a wakeup

Rooi, you have completely misread this Ou Mike thing. It was he who volunteered that he had been speaking crap in an attempt to wind me up. I have always seen through this and for that reason have at times swore at him in a fit of frustration, given his agenda was so transparent and tiresome. I politely asked him to refrain from addressing me, for I had had enough of the childish shit.

My issue with Mike is that I dont take his rugby views that seriously, but he is a regular poster on here so I entertain him with my thoughts. I reacted as I did because he has apologised in the past, where I accepted and we should have moved on.

However, we are at apology number 3 or 4 now, hence my less than pragmatic reaction to his apology this time. I did accept and have asked that he cut the crap out. I like the guy and do not take all this that seriously.

As for Mozart, well to be honest I got sick and tired of all the clashes on here, it was no longer about rugby and ultimately that is what we are here to discuss. We are all rugby men and share that bond. Agreed plenty of crap has been exchanged but ultimately in a strange perverse way I see much of you and Mozart in me. We stand our ground no matter what and even if we are wrong we will argue that we are right. The lengths we go to have been extreme at times, but ultimately this is cyber warfare, I dont meet you boys down the local as I'm sure I would if you were a local.

I'm starting to mellow, but still have a sting in my tail. I have fought many battles lately and I guess I am a little tired of the war that has weighed for so long on here.

Ou Mike and I are cool and if I upset him with my rants then I apologise. As for you and I, you owe me an apology for telling me off you bastard!!!!

Dave, glad to know that you and ou Maaik are still good.

I submitted that post with a sense of apprehension as I thought I might end up on your shitlist but I felt I needed to get that off my chest. If there's some of the history between you and ou Maaik that I missed or misunderstood then I will certainly apologise but I still think you needed to know that the way you were going off at ou Maaik was starting to remind me of the way that the venemous, childish and deceitful snake used to go off at you.

Peace!

Back to rugby, I think your suggested Bok squad is pretty good (assuming guys like the Beast and Reinach are fit). I do think given that we're only up against Italy and a Scotland team missing their Lions that this could be an opportunity for Meyer to rest some of his established stars and pick some of the guys who haven't had a such a heavy load in the S15 which is why I like your picks of guys like Pieter-Steph du Toit, Eben Etzebeth and Francois Hougaard. I'd add Willem Alberts to the squad as he's apparently back to full fitness and definitely in need of some game time.

Hahahaha RooiAAS the honourable good guy writes a tear jerker! What a laugh....the liar couldn't even admit to who he was on this Board.

But back to the string. Let's be truthful and not push false emotional twaddle.The fact is Oom Maaik has deliberately been goading Dave and I about Steyn and de Jongh. It's been a little game for him. After a while it got old. And when it became dishonest, it was time to call a halt. I see no reason Dave should apologize....certainly not because RooiAAS the nastiest of all fakes, thinks he should .

But Oom Maaik has promised to change, that's OK with me.  Let's see where we go from here.

Rooi, yes there is history. I just got tired of the childish taunts from Mike, they weren't even clever, they were irritating, but its not defining stuff. Mike and I are good as far as I am concerned.

As far as Bok selections go, I'd like to see youngsters like Coenie, Steph du Toit, Serfontein, JJ and Arno Botha involved.

Well there you have it. The hypocrisy of RooiAAS riding in on a white horse, when he spent 5 years insulting Mike, is of course massive. There wasn't a day that went by he didn't insult him, his relationship with Zuma or his house in Ballito. All conveniently forgotten by the Boards champion hypocrite but not by me. I spent most of those years taking up Mike's onderhond cause....funny hey?

And of course, one might wonder why a "mate" would feel it necessary to give his friend a public lecture on behaviour. Versus, say, just sending him a private e-mail with those thoughts. One is forced to conclude that the public forum suited his other agenda....to whit venting his irritation that Dave decided to accept my offer to bury the hatchet. Poor old RooiAAS has obviously been burning up about that. So along with his "advice" to Dave about not being nasty to Oom Maaik, he throws in jealous little barbs at yours truly.

Let me put your mind at ease RooiAAS....I'm not trying to usurp your "mate". I don't give two hoots whether Dave or Oom Maik  are my mates. But I suppose, having posted with them for years, there is a certain familiarity.....and the good Oom was losing the plot.

Feel better now?

I have been reading the postings for some time and Saffex and cleavermike have dominated these pages. Thier opinion counts and no one else even matters or are called fools with no knowlege of rugby. With the time spent on this site it is quite clearly evident that they have nothing better to do other than make themselves feel important .......anonomously.

Rugby is a team sport and payed by a team of 15 players who work as a team. Individual brilliance does come into play but selfish individuals are soon found out and usually play no further role in professional rugby or they are forced to change thier ways if they want to continue in the game. Combinations and support are as vital as being in the limelight. Commentators on this website are entitled to thier opinions and thier thoughts which Saffex and cleavermike just cannot accept.

I would like to ask why you have not taken on the post of sole selector, coach and TMO of the Boks as you clearly are more qualified ? If your credentials are so good have you put them forward ? The obvious is that you have no credentails and are no hopers so sit down and have a look at yourself and find another career.

You are an embarasment to all other Bok supporters, of which i will always be one.  

Come on guys no need for any bitterness. Rooitwit calls me baboon ou and doesnt accept how suave I am - its all jealousy of course!  But why get heated about it.

Actually its quite interesting that Moz, Mike and Rooi have all met Dave and are all friends with him. Meaning ou snapstyer has some redeeming qualities! 

The two orange peelers are making a lot of noise (However I smell SS mole). Also they need to have some humour. If one takes banter or anything on a rugby board too seriously then you are crazy. Serious abuse is of course another matter but that vey seldom happens

Rugganut, lets hope that is your first and final post........for it is pretty pathetic.

Saffex, wow 4500 odd postings. You must be the ..... Dik-tay-tah ......by now.

Forgotten all about Ricky Seb. Who is he playing for these days?

Beeno...Ricky is playing for my squad Lyon Olympique Universitaire in Pro D2 after leaving Ospreys in Wales...apparently he did not like Welsh food (except rarebit) and the continual road blocks close to where he lived worried him. He has also been trying to escape the clutches of his possessive mammy...see above and by the looks of her you cannot really blame him. She has tried to join this forum so that she can stalk him through the back door but did not approach de boss man with respect and could well be forced to depart through the other secret door in a pine box if she continues to disrupt important decisions and debates as to the future of SA rugby. Barging in the front door and shouting the odds is not very good for ones health and welfare. Saffex has just invested in a cement factory somewhere in England...they specialise in the construction of foundation stones and many a missing ex member has eventually become a cornerstone in the society...lol.

Ruggatwat, it would hardly take much to improve on Meyers efforts to date. I'm glad you are sticking around for I am going to take great pleasure in wipping your sorry arse. Welcome wee man, enjoy the ride

No, Sebastien, Saffex is quite approachable. I don't find I have too many problems with him :)

"People here are too sensitive, but I have to say, this is the first time I have seen it from Rooi." Well everybody has the breaking point, for "Rooi" as you put it, it was when Dave and I called a truce. The sense that he didn't control Dave was so bad, as a "mate, he had to give him a public lecture on behaviour.  Some friend!

Dear ED.

 Ruggatwat it is obvious that you know nothing about rugby. I am the rugby legend online and offline FACT!

Saffex, i just wanted to build your index. You have accused participants of knowing nothing about rugby (as above) being idiots, fools, half brains, twats, stupid, ignorant, liars and now for your expert knowlege a wanker.

Now thats funny !! Kudo's to whoever is behind the curtain.

Rugganut

 Hope it lasts. Hahhahahaha Mike you are funny.

 Rugnut, do you prefer sugar or syrup on your pancakes?

cleavermike. Firstly thanks for the welcome. Unlike the welcome from i got from Saffex.....which was 'we' hope to never see you again. The points raised about being a team sport and peoples opion and the right to voice them is the whole reason i began this debate. I enjoy reading peoples insightful opinions and there are a lot of them. Great stuff keep them coming.

Rugnut, would you like a box of tissues to go with that load of shit you have just showered us with? We would probably take you a little more seriously if you actually gave us something insightful on the rugby front and who the hell is going to take you seriously with that pathetic profile pic?