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Oregan Hoskins : African Blacks must be given more chances for the Boks

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sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,295 posts
24 Jun 2014, 00:08
#1
24 Jun 2014, 00:08#1
‘Blacks must be given more chances’
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Saru president Oregan Hoskins

Saru president Oregan Hoskins has told Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer to pick more black players.

Hoskins told Beeld newspaper that he had personally delivered the message to Meyer.

'We need to give black players, specifically African blacks, more chances in the team,' said Hoskins. 'I spoke to the coach and he agreed, the time is right for this. I believe we will already see a change or two against Scotland this coming weekend.'

Meanwhile, civil rights organisation AfriForum says a legal team is preparing to submit an official complaint to the International Rugby Board.

'Saru's instruction to the Springbok coach is a crude form of racial discrimination and an indication that Saru has surrendered to the quota threats of the minister of sport, Fikile Mbalula,' AfriForum chief executive Kallie Kriel said in a statement.

'A racial quota system disadvantages all talented players of all races. White players are disadvantaged because they are excluded from participation based on their race and the validity of the inclusion of black players in teams is by default suspect.'

AfriForum's complaint is based on bylaw 3 of the IRB rules and regulations, which compels the IRB to prevent any form of racial discrimination in rugby. Regulation 20 determines that any action in rugby which entails racial discrimination amounts to 'misconduct'.

The IRB may institute disciplinary steps against any rugby body that violates these rules.

"“Saru and government should address their own failure to develop young talent at school level with development programmes rather than playing the numbers game in a top-down manipulation of the sport,” Kriel said.


sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,295 posts
24 Jun 2014, 00:28
#2
24 Jun 2014, 00:28#2
Is Trevor Nykana in the current squad? Apart from Mvovo, Kolisi and Beast, I am not sure how many native African players are even in the squad. 
Raymond Rhule was dropped from squad, even though he got more game time than Hendriks at the Cheetas this year. 
Although I thought Hendriks is clearly the better player, and was surprised by the amount of time Hendriks was on the bench. 
If Willie played Fullback, it would be better to have both Rhule and Hendriks on the field for the Cheetas

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
24 Jun 2014, 01:12
#3
24 Jun 2014, 01:12#3
 Habana and Hendricks although not black are the better players.Kolisi is outright quota selection and the other oke who plays 7 for Free State is a complete green horn.
I trust the IRB will ban South Africa and well done to Afri Forum. Quotas are also being ncreased in cricket. Afri Forum should take that up with the world cricket body and ensure the Proteas are banned as well.
So we can then choose an overseas rugby and cricket team to support.Those unable to do so can think of becoming golf and tennis fans. Litle scope for SA Govt racial discimination in these sports is possible.
Here is an article on the new racial quotas for cricket dressed up in the most noble of motives but nothing more than naked racialism:
Johannesburg - The Board of Directors of Cricket South Africa (CSA) approved recommendations to continue with its transformation initiatives and specifically the development of black African players at its recent meeting.

In the new season, franchises will be required to field at least FIVE players of colour in all competitions, TWO of whom must be black Africans. Teams playing in the semi-professional competitions will be required to field at leastSIX players of colour, THREE of whom must be black Africans. This means the target for players of colour that has been in place for the past 10 years will be increased by one in the 2014/15 season.

The incentive scheme that was put in place last season will not be continued.

“CSA is determined to grow the pool of black African players by ensuring there is quality playing opportunities for such players in all forms of cricket”, said CSA Chief Executive, Haroon Lorgat.  

“Having studied the results from last season’s experience, we have decided to increase the minimum number of players of colour by one. 

“It is a fact that we have still not succeeded in unlocking the vast cricket talent among black African people and next season we will expect the affiliate and franchise presidents, CEOs and their coaches to assume direct responsibility to do so.”

Increase in women’s national contracts

CSA has also decided to more than double the number of national professional contracts awarded to members of the national women’s squad.

“Last season we had for the first time awarded contracts to six of our top women players and together with the intensive training programmes at the High Performance Centre, this played a major role in the impressive results we achieved at the ICC World Twenty20 when we reached the semi-finals,” commented Lorgat.

“We will now increase the number of national contracts to 14 which will enable us to have a full-time professional squad of players. I would like to thank our women’s team sponsor, Momentum, for their vision and ongoing support which has made this possible.”

Sustainability and Growth 

The board also held a joint meeting with the members’ forum at which the key point of discussion was the future sustainability and growth of the game in South Africa. CSA management presented a new operating model to ensure sustainable advancement of the game in future.

“The joint meeting accepted in principle that we cannot sit back and do nothing while the sustainability and growth of the game is under threat,” explained Chris Nenzani, chairperson of the board and president of CSA. 

“This new model is intended to guide CSA, its affiliates, associates, franchises and stadia on how to optimally apply and allocate its resources to deliver on its strategies whilst sustaining itself in the process.

“The operational model is a work in progress at the moment but everybody is agreed that it is a matter of urgency,” he concluded.

Some of the proposals discussed included activity based funding, centralising and/or consolidating certain activities to take advantage of economies of scale and to grade stadia. 

As part of the exercise, the CSA board also confirmed, in principle, a proposal to introduce a new knock-out style T20 competition while reducing the number of matches played (from 13 to 10) by the semi-professional teams. This competition will be contested by all the provincial affiliates and consideration will also be given to inviting teams from several African countries.

"It is critical for us to re-engineer ourselves to ensure future sustainability and growth and in this process we will search for a new sponsorship to launch this competition in the coming season," commented Lorgat.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,295 posts
24 Jun 2014, 01:39
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24 Jun 2014, 01:39#4
Somehow I doubt the IRB would do anything. 
The Boks and other sporting codes were banned during the Apartheid era from international competition. 
It could be argued that what the current government is doing is less racist than banning all white players from playing sport, even if that may be the eventual goal in time- especially if the likes of Malema get more power.
It will be interesting to see what the IRB will do, it must be a difficult situation:
1.) If they take no stance on the matter and just ignore it, then it means that they only selectively enforce their regulations. That their regulations are just window dressing. They themselves do not adhere to the ethical code and are therefore hypocrites.
2.) Or do they say stipulate that the imbalance of past needs time to rectify itself, and that under this exception quotas are not racist. 
3.) Or do they upload their regulations and say that no country can select based on race under any circumstance. That this sanction was applied to South Afica in the past, and therefore are obliged to do so again by precedent. If quotas are allowed, they may just continue to grow each year until the whole team, or most of it is selected under race. What are the ramifications of this as a whole- more people leaving South Africa to seek greener pastures (players and non players), which the IRB themselves would have been party to- by not applying their code of ethics through sanctions.


The same body (friForum) raised this same issue when quotas were enforced in Vodacom, but it appears the IRB ignored it. Although the IRB is more international, so they might have been reluctant to get involved in a national competition. Any if their is a move to rectify past imbalance, surely if a quota selection is applied (right or wrong) it should be done at the grass roots level to develop the amount of player resources like in the Vodacom national cup.
SARFU will not let Maori All Blacks tour because it is a side selected based on race, perhaps their stance on this will change? Or if Bafana Bafana will be so keen to select a team that is more representative of the countrys demographics. 
It will be interesting to see what the IRB do,or dont do.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Jun 2014, 01:46
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24 Jun 2014, 01:46#5
Very political by Hoskins. Knowing Mvovo is in fact logical with Habana out, Kolisi (preserve us) will take Louws place...and the Beast is an easy pick....he gives the order to do what would in all likelyhood have happened anyway. Don't you despise these bureaucrats.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
24 Jun 2014, 01:52
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24 Jun 2014, 01:52#6
 Bureaucrats? Race obsessed bigots
BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
24 Jun 2014, 02:19
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24 Jun 2014, 02:19#7
Read somewhere that the Beast is out with a neck injury
AJ
Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
24 Jun 2014, 03:28
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24 Jun 2014, 03:28#8
 Simple solution....pick the top 15 black players and let them take on Scotland.
Apartheid in reverse.......appears that blacks are not good enough to play international football and win so now they want to get onto a winning team/sport at all costs.
I have always supported all players irrespective of colour as long as they are selected on merit.
But it appears that the comrades are not satisfied until they screw everything up at all costs.

Suggestion: What about a black S15 team to allow the black players to gain merit selection for that team and in so doing they will gain the skills required to earn a Springbok cap and not merely be placed in the team for transformation reasons.
Originally I was under the impression that the Watson's had a plan to showcase black players in the Kings team but it appears that they raided other unions to gain players in a desperate hope to keep the Kings in the S15.
Alas, the black players were shafted by the Watson's and the SARU.

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
24 Jun 2014, 12:11
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24 Jun 2014, 12:11#9
 
I say give it to the ANC. Let them have it.

They have already tainted the Bok emblem by flipping it around to face the other direction and have insisted on putting it on the wrong side of the chest.

Let them bring all their brothers into the team. We already know that all they touch turns to shit!! Look at Bafana Bafana. They can't even qualify for an African competition never mind the soccer world cup. They only get to play when they're appointed as host. It's certainly an uncanny knack they have. 

This country's not about winning but rather accepting mediocrity as a norm in all of society. Look how Faggot and his Doos have embraced it with their elderly preferences. I'm sure a few ethnic natives won't make much of a difference to the already poor standard of play found in Zuma's Goats. 

We've been hanging on to the Bok as best we can but it's a lost cause. It's always been just a matter of time before it too get's snuffed out and replaced by some three legged black pot or some African maid walking with a clay jar atop her head with her tits exposed. 

Delighted that I ne ver wasted any money on a Bok jersey.

 
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