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Our Bok squad is made up of ...

Started by CleanCut17 REPLIES520 VIEWS· 15 Aug 2017, 11:38
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CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
15 Aug 2017, 11:38
#1
15 Aug 2017, 11:38#1

I've put the useless and undeserving in bold.

Bulls - 9


Lood de Jager

Lizo Gqoboka

Trevor Nyakane

Warrick Gelant

Francois Hougaard 

Jesse Kriel

Rudy Paige 

Handré Pollard 

Jan Serfontein


The Bulls ended up 15th out of the 18 teams in the competition.

They lost 11 of the 15 matches played and had a total of 459 pts scored against them ... only managing 339 pts themselves ... our worst franchise this season ... yet we see they have the most players in the Goat mix.

Puzzling.


Cheetahs - 4


Uzair Cassiem

Oupa Mohoje

Raymond Rhule

Francois Venter


The Cheetahs ended up 13th of the 18 teams in the competition.


They also lost 11 of the 15 matches played and had a total of 551 pts scored against them ... managing 395 pts themselves ... more than 50 pts better than what the Bulls could muster this season.


How any of them made the Goat mix is beyond me.

 

Sharks - 6


Dan du Preez

Jean-Luc du Preez

Tendai Mtawarira 

Coenie Oosthuizen 

Chiliboy Ralepelle

Curwin Bosch 


The Sharks ended at 7th of the 18 teams in the competition.


They lost 5 of the 15 matches played and had a total of 323 pts scored against them ... managing a mere 392 pts themselves this season ... rather concerning.


I'm puzzled to see the likes of Coenie, Beast, Chiliboy and Bosch making the Goats mix ... and even more puzzled to see the names of Am and Nkosi left out. Boggles the mind.


Stormers - 8


Pieter-Steph du Toit

Eben Etzebeth

Steven Kitshoff

Siya Kolisi  

Frans Malherbe 

Bongi Mbonambi

Damian de Allende

Dillyn Leyds

The Stormers ended up 6th of the 18 teams in the competition

They also lost 5 of the 15 matches played, with a total of 436 pts scored against them.

That's 100 pts more than what the Sharks allowed past them this season.

They did however chalk up a total of 490 pts with their midgets. Such a pity that these tiny little men weren't able to keep the bigger boys out.       


Lions - 7


Jaco Kriel

Malcolm Marx

Franco Mostert

Andries Coetzee

Ross Cronje

Elton Jantjies

Courtnall Skosan


The Lions ended up top of the log this season. They lost 1 of the 15 matches played and had 268 pts scored against them. They chalked up an impressive 590 pts this season with only the Canes out scoring them by a mere 6 pts.


They were head and shoulders above any of the South African franchises and yet only have 7 players representing them in Coetzee's Goat mix.


No Acker vd Merwe ... no van Rooyen, Kwagga Smit, Ruan Ackerman, Vorster, Janse van Rensburg or Combrinck.


I can think of only 3 reasons why Quota Outa got it so wrong this time round.


1. He didn't bother watching SR this season and isn't able to identify the on form talent we have available.


2. He did ... but is just to ignorant to see it.


3. He's done this deliberately because of his racist prejudice and is determined not to have his favourites upstaged by the talented whiteys out there.


I wonder ... whatever could it be.. ??





DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
15 Aug 2017, 11:49
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15 Aug 2017, 11:49#2

CC


What these players did collectively in their super Rugby teams throughout the year has no bearing on how they will perform as a unit playing for the Boks, so showing which team scored how many points during this year in their own teams is irrelevant.


I would also like to add that I was of the opinion that Allister Coetzee was picking and choosing players based on race as well, just like your article implies.


I got that seriously wrong.... and I am happy to admit that I had that wrong all along.





KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
15 Aug 2017, 12:22
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15 Aug 2017, 12:22#3
 I have to agree with the Devil on this one. The bulls coaching and administrative structures have been going backwards at a rate of knots. 
LoodKrielGelantHandre are really good players. 
Gelant showed his worth for the SA A team and it showed what Ackerman was able to bring out of the player. 
Lood played really back in in the 2015 world cup and might be able to up his game in tighter contest.
Kolisi and Leyeds have been really good for the stormers all year and for the boks. Leyeds is one of the top try scores in this years super rugby. Kolisi has one of the most dominant tackles count. Frans has been on the bench all season and probably didn't deserve a call up

Coenie seems to be improving but was never a tight head, but lets see how he gets on. 
But agree about Chillie and Beast, I have absolutely no idea how chilli made it in the squad when it would have been better to call Bismark as cover. 

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
15 Aug 2017, 13:30
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15 Aug 2017, 13:30#4
 
DA ... I think I understand now why you prefer to post non rugby related posts.

Feel free to continue with it.

You have a valid excuse.



 
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
15 Aug 2017, 13:47
#5
15 Aug 2017, 13:47#5
 Nothing but a convincing win will prove that the Boks have turned the corner and are heading upwards and onwards......the squad leaves a lot to be desired as the ugly head of Transformation kicks in.
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
15 Aug 2017, 13:54
#6
15 Aug 2017, 13:54#6
 
Well ... the Jaguares (Pumas) lost 8 of the 15 matches played ... and pipped the Kings by only 5 log points in the end.

They even lost to the Kings at home and so should be easy picking for this Bok side.

A convincing win would amount to what? 30 pts?
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
15 Aug 2017, 14:00
#7
15 Aug 2017, 14:00#7
 Ja, well seeing it's the 1st Test and starting jitters and all that I'd settle for between 15-20 points but that said the performance of the Boks must look the business. I don't expect to see a fumbling, bumbling execution.
DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
15 Aug 2017, 14:02
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15 Aug 2017, 14:02#8

You know CC


For a guy who acts like he knows so much about the game, and posts far more rugby posts than I do, and constantly ridicules others for not posting about rugby..... I find it stupefying that you actually still believe what you posted on top.


So because certain teams, as a collective, leaked a certain amount of tries throughout the past season, and allowed another team, as a collective, to let in 100 points more than them..... that team's individual players that are then selected for the Springboks are automatically useless?


Different motivation

Different team environment

Different team players

Different player positions

Different work ethic

Different coaching

Different conditioning

Different testing  


But all these players you mention that are sh!t, remain the same sh!t player as they were when they were playing for their province?


No wonder people don't take you seriously on this forum.... the only thing in life  that takes you seriously is your dog when you say.... sit.


CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
15 Aug 2017, 14:15
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15 Aug 2017, 14:15#9
 
Fair enough, Denny ... a 20 pt margin should be reached without much effort ... jitters included ... especialy seeing as the side's been selected on merit ... right DA? 

At least there shouldn't be too much pressure on Jantjies. I just hope for his sake that Ross Cronje is in the starting 15.

Whiteley's absence could influence Jantjies mindset.

We'll see.

 


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Aug 2017, 14:23
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15 Aug 2017, 14:23#10
Oh dear, more sheer stupidity and ignorance. The Jaguares were 13 out of 18 in 2016.....and the Pumas beat the Boks in Bargie and only lost by 7 points in Nelspruit. This year the Jaguares improved to 10 out of 18 and you are writing off the Pumas. Does that help to temper your logic, or should I explain it to you? ... LMAOFY!
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
15 Aug 2017, 14:25
#11
15 Aug 2017, 14:25#11
 
No ... sorry ... please go ahead and explain ...

Thanks!!
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Aug 2017, 14:29
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15 Aug 2017, 14:29#12
It's a version of mathematical induction.....if a statement is true at step one, and if step n+1 is true, when step n is true.....then the statement is universally true. .... You're welcome.
AG
AgPleezDeddyClub Pro900 posts
15 Aug 2017, 14:34
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15 Aug 2017, 14:34#13
Very fair assessment CC, I do however think Kolisi and Leyds deserve to be in the squad. The omission of certain players boggles the mind - Kwagga, Combrinck, Am, Nkosi, etc all deserved to be there!  
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Aug 2017, 14:45
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15 Aug 2017, 14:45#14
What boggles the mind is Turncoat doesn't put Jantjies in bold after calling him a loser all year....but then again he is Turncoat. .. LMAOFY!
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
15 Aug 2017, 14:49
#15
15 Aug 2017, 14:49#15
 
Oh wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's very clever of you, Chip.

But ... but ... what if the statement isn't true at step one? Wouldn't that alter the entire calculation?

Wouldn't that make step n+1 only a half truth then? AKA ... a lie ... a fabrication ... a thumbsuck?!!

Hmmm ... ??




MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Aug 2017, 14:52
#16
15 Aug 2017, 14:52#16
Yes, but the statement is clearly true at step one.
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
15 Aug 2017, 15:01
#17
15 Aug 2017, 15:01#17
 
We have no choice but to take Jantjies ... and besides that, he had his best season to date.

I'm not a fan. He's there by default.

Much rather have given Lionel Cronje a run ... but as you can see he's not part of the Goat mix.



MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Aug 2017, 15:17
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15 Aug 2017, 15:17#18
He's there by default, but he had his best season to date? Those voices talking to you again Turncoat?
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