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Pace on the wing aside, Wallabies look strong; by Eddie Jones

Started by Just_win13 REPLIES204 VIEWS· 09 Aug 2014, 13:08
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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
09 Aug 2014, 13:08
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09 Aug 2014, 13:08#1

WINNING the Super Rugby title without Israel Folau making a line break in their two crunch finals games is testament to the magnificent development of the NSW Waratahs.

They were tremendous in victory in perhaps the best-ever Super Rugby game by my quick reckoning.

There were a couple of huge outcomes for the Wallabies that can flow into the vital fast start they need in Sydney next Saturday to launch a winning Bledisloe Cup campaign.

Kurtley Beale growing up is the biggest plus on an individual player level.

In the final he looked like the young schoolboy with the amazing array of skills transferring them to the top level.

If managed well by Test boss Ewen McKenzie, Beale will be a matchwinner for the Wallabies.

The success of the Waratahs and the strength of the ACT Brumbies bodes well for the Wallabies.

There is enormous backline depth with Nick Phipps and Nic White at halfback, Bernard Foley and Matt Toomua at No.10, Beale, Toomua and Christian Lealiifano at inside centre and Adam Ashley-Cooper and Tevita Kuridrani at outside centre.

The wings are a concern with Ashley-Cooper and Pat McCabe earmarked there. Lack of real speed is an issue but both are very good players and full of courage.

I would rate Ashley-Cooper as my Super Rugby Player of the Year.

The lack of speed on the wings will be more an issue against the Springboks than the All Blacks because the South Africans have real gas.

Success at national level generally follows when you have two provincial or club teams doing very well.

Australia’s 1999 World Cup-winning side was dominated by Reds and Brumbies, both top five Super 12 teams at that time.

The ranks of England’s 2003 World Cup champions were dominated by Wasps and Leicester players who had won European Cup and English Championship titles in the lead-up years.

Why the flow on? The players are confident, in a winning habit, accustomed to performing consistently under pressure and are generally in great physical condition.

Potentially, that puts the Wallabies in a good zone but McKenzie’s initial selections will be crucial.

The Waratahs were exceptional with their management of Wycliff Palu.

They managed his training loads and rest.

A big, robust No.8 is crucial to Bledisloe Cup success and there is not another No.8 in the country who can do what he does.

A Palu-Scott Higginbotham-Michael Hooper backrow is as good as any in the world although McKenzie fancies Scott Fardy at No.6.

Good selections, good start, great chance of winning...that’s the Wallabies formula for the Bledisloe Cup and The Rugby Championship.

In Sam Whitelock, at lock, and Kieran Read, at No.8, the All Blacks have the two best forwards in the world so they will still be tough to beat.

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
09 Aug 2014, 13:12
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09 Aug 2014, 13:12#2
Interesting to get the Ozzie perspective as expressed by Eddie Jones.
I agree that the wobblies will be improved & Beale seems explosive & playing with lots of confidence.
Also interesting that Eddie says:"In Sam Whitelock, at lock, and Kieran Read, at No.8, the All Blacks have the two best forwards in the world so they will still be tough to beat."

That should stir the pot for some on this forum, lol
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Aug 2014, 15:47
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09 Aug 2014, 15:47#3

I'm afraid if Beale is the kingpin the Aussies will be disappointed. One error and his fragile persona is highly likely to reappear. AC is solid, not likely to trouble international defences from first phase, he was helped by a vulnerable Saders opponent. And Folau's absence from proceedings in the final is something the Boks and ABs will find encouraging, perhaps there is something to learn. Their scrummies also don't convince me.

 

But as usual it will come down to whether the Aussie tight five can hold their own. The S15 is not a clear indicator. The AB/Oz game next week will be very interesting.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,294 posts
09 Aug 2014, 15:51
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09 Aug 2014, 15:51#4
Kieren Read is certainly the best forward in the world at the moment, and Whitelock is good- but he is not the best in the world
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
09 Aug 2014, 15:57
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09 Aug 2014, 15:57#5
 Yup, Oz vs ABs will be of great interest for sure as we all want to get an indication of where both teams stand. Plus of course there is the 13 year domination of the Bledisloe cup; the 18 consecutive wins attempt & more. I also want to see how Richie will do & then there is Crockett (I am always waiting for him to get pinged by the Ref).
I don't think the Boks game against the Argies will tell us much, more like a training run.
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
09 Aug 2014, 16:09
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09 Aug 2014, 16:09#6
 Moz, I disagree with your comments on Beale......time will tell but I believe he is a match winner, like our own Willie he can turn a match on it's ear. I rate him as much as I rate Adam Ashley Cooper. It will be interesting to see how Foley shapes up at test level, the Boks will need to cut down his space.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Aug 2014, 16:21
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09 Aug 2014, 16:21#7
Could be Denny, I also rate AC and Beale is certainly creative. But these players have a long history in tests...it seems more likely that they will revert to prior history.
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
09 Aug 2014, 16:41
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09 Aug 2014, 16:41#8
 Spot-on JW.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
09 Aug 2014, 16:42
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09 Aug 2014, 16:42#9
Read the best  forWard in the world HAHAHAHAHAHAHA  Whitlelock is pretty avarage as well
Trouble is when the going gets tough wee Read disappears. Trick is to get tight five domination and suck wee Read into the hard stuff and he then wilts like a weeping willow. Does well in the backline but is an incomplete forward.
Speight will lift the Wobblies - great pity he will not be in the side facing the abs.
Yes we shall see how much the pack has improved.  


JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
09 Aug 2014, 16:50
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09 Aug 2014, 16:50#10
"Reid disappears" said the happy blind man . Good one Beeno, lol
I agree Speight will be a posi tive addition to the Wobblies but we have yet to see how he will go at test level.


DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
09 Aug 2014, 16:57
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09 Aug 2014, 16:57#11

 ...."yet to see how he will go at test level."

 

 

Oh yes, we're all kinda guilty of swallowing the hype only to be surprised to see that some don't make the cut at test level.

 

It reminds me of how Joe Roff enthused about Quade Cooper in a chat we had flying on the same flight to NZ for the WC.....Ouch!

GT
Gonzo the GreatClub Pro560 posts
09 Aug 2014, 18:00
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09 Aug 2014, 18:00#12
 read the best forward in the world, well that depends on the team. i dont think he would add as much to south africa. different players are more useful elsewhere depending on how they flesh out the team. great player, defo new zealnds best loosie for ages now.

australia again have the same problems and want to try to run it. that doesnt work out for them because they struggle in the set pieces, get hammered at the breakdown and cant throw anything big at you. beale hasnt done anything this season to convince me of anything. the three best aussie backs are toomua, white and lea... ewen must build around these three. white can play a rounded smart game, toomua gets you going forward and lea is a fantastic attacker who can create space. folau, beale and the rest just wont cut it. folau's lack of speed and all round skills (especially with the boot) was badly exposed last year, he mostly ran into blind allys ala jason robinson and did far moer harm than any good except for the odd break. I tghought he could be a playmaker like SBW, but they dont look like they want to take that route. Id feel a bitworried trying to build my game around players that were already shown up badly. lack of pace was another big issue for Folau, the Boks can get around the edges of defences now because they use those big ball carriers as dummy runners too and that holds up the entire midfield. du preez and morne had long passes zipping in behind and kirchner and habana and willie just shredded them. new zealand also won the battle of the speed when they exploited folau at the back, i think it savea who did it. so yeah alot of a gamble from ewen and if it doesnt work out they are in one hell of a mess a year out from the world cup. dont even get me started on the pack. the bok pack is the most monstrously powerful beast i hve ever seen in rugby ever. maybe not the most mobile but they get around well enough and my god when they honed in on aussie ball they just smashed the living daylights out of them.

this was a red flag for the aussies (australia 6 france 0) read on: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/27848592
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
09 Aug 2014, 18:45
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09 Aug 2014, 18:45#13
Gonzo: I agree with most of your assessment of the wobblies. 
However, I feel that they could be dangerous in the backs & may get lucky & score some tries against the ABs & the Boks. They have an outside chance of beating both teams if everything goes well and the AB of Boks have an off day. Nothing new in what I am saying.
I also agree that they have a lot to sort out by the time the RWC rolls around. A main problem is lack of depth as this is a real requirement for the RWC.
GT
Gonzo the GreatClub Pro560 posts
09 Aug 2014, 19:41
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09 Aug 2014, 19:41#14
 your right we will have to be weary of thrm because they are more enthusiastic. but they rely on being given space and ball. that was what saved deans butt because tgey only really got it from peters boks. scotland, samoa, england new zealand etc suffocated them. france put a furm wall up in the second test this year and australia could onlybscore 6 points. thats worrying. the boks and new zealand having bern scoring plenty of tries even with their backs to the wall. they misded a trick with mogg. nig boot and speed and aerial skills he gived them something to counter willie and dagg. the only aussie 15 who can. i think ewen is a damn fool.
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