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Paul Willemse to be selected to play for France?

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Jan 2019, 08:45
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29 Jan 2019, 08:45#1

The following from News24:-


Two continents, three clubs and a new language. South African-born Paul Willemse has taken the long route to potentially making his debut for France in Friday's Six Nations opener against Wales.

Willemse arrived on French soil in 2014 as a 21-year-old a matter of weeks after losing a Currie Cup semi-final with the Blue Bulls, and little did he know five years later he would be days away from wearing an international blue shirt.

The 2012 world champion with the Baby Boks headed to French outfit Grenoble the day after he married his childhood sweetheart.

"The day after our marriage, we left for Grenoble. It was our honeymoon," Willemse told AFP.

It all could have been very different as the club's former coach Bernard Jackman explained the 2.01m (6ft 7in) giant was one of two options he was considering for the next campaign.

"We had pretty much finished recruitment for the season and two days before the deadline Fabrice Landreau (sporting director) said to me the president had given us extra money for a lock," Jackman said.

"We had two guys on the radar, one of them was Willemse and the other was Argentina's Tomas Lavanini. By the time I got back to Lavanini, he had already signed for Racing 92. So I was left with Willemse so we got the deal done quickly."

At the end of his first season Willemse moved to Montpellier and some clear differences between daily French and South African life stood out more than others.

"It was the first time I had seen a woman walk alone at 10 o'clock in the night and children taking the bus alone," he said.

"My family have a lot of freedom here to live a good life, to play in a park or just take the bus. It's a really good thing for us," he added.

Willemse decided on becoming the 11th South African-born player to wear the famous blue jersey in 2017.

"At the start I wanted to play for two years in France, gain experience and then go back to South Africa," he said.

"But the birth of my son changed my mind. Once I knew it was possible to play for France it became my 100% goal," he added.

A hurdle to his international ambitions came when French Rugby Federation president Bernard Laporte announced a French passport was needed to represent the country in addition to the three years of residency required by World Rugby regulations.

Gaining his citizenship in November was the last of Willemse's endeavours to assimilate with his new countrymen.

"I want people to respect all the effort I have put into learning French and to integrate," he said.

"I think everyone can understand that but if not it's not serious.

"And kissing people you don't know on both cheeks is strange," he added.

The Irishman who brought Willemse to France believes the second-row was destined to play Test rugby and compares him to another South African titan who spent a period in the French league with Toulon.

"I think if he wasn't playing for France he would be playing for South Africa. I do think he's an international lock," Jackman said.

"He's the nearest thing I've seen to Bakkies Botha, he has that quality, that kind of aggression, that's rare to have both and I'm delighted for him."

Willemse could make the next step in his rugby career in the French capital on Friday more than 8 000km from where it all started with his pregnant wife and son watching on."


The first thing I can remembe4r about Willemse was in the 2012 Under 20 WC Final when he cause a major havoc by being red-carded for pulling the dreadlocks of a NZ player.   The Under 2- SA team won the game despite the red card.   On the whole Willemse did well enough in the series to identify himself as a potential Springbok.  


By 2014 Willemse playing for the Bulls ran into a total road block when it came to his future as a potential Springbok of the future.   Etzebeth was the number 4 - a position in which Willemse played for the Bulls - and his potential selection to play for the Springboks was blocked by the rank idiocy of Meyer and Ludeke to use Matfield at lock.


Willemse then signed a two-year contract with Grenoble and announced that he still have ambitions to play for the Springboks and would come back to SA in 2016 so as to qualify for future selection for the Springboks.   His absence from contention made way for De Jager - with a top class WC performance after Matfield failed as expected - caused the gap to be selected by 2016 to be closed.   


Instead of coming back to SA in 2016 as announced by himself - he signed a contract with Montpellier for which club he was playing over the past two years.    Out of sight in his case resulted in being out of mind.   Coetzee never selected him at lock and Erasmus - fully aware of the performances of SA players in Europe - did not pick Willemse in his initial training programme.     Erasmus was faced by a further problem insofar as team selection is concerned - he actually have had an over-supply of contending locks and  he went for Mostert, Du Toit, Snyman and ultimately Schickerling as locks..  There was no space in the hierarchy for Willemse,


Erasmus used predominantly Etxebeth, Mostert, Du Toit and Snyman at lock since De Jager was injured,     Before injury Erasmus remarked that his ideal lock combination would be Etzebeth and De Jager.   On n interim measure he used Mostert at lock for most matches and when the loosie crisis hit hard - he moved D u Toit to blindside flank.    However, De Jager is back and  Schickerling is knocking on the door,   So the door for Willemse to play for the Springboks remained closed. 


Willemse would have been a good Springbok selection - his only negative being a tendency to have disciplinary lapses in games - but I am afraid his road  to Springbok selection was closed by 2014 and one can only wish him well for selection to play for France and a distinguished test career playing for France.          




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bluebokPro3,977 posts
29 Jan 2019, 09:08
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29 Jan 2019, 09:08#2
Willemse was a huge blunder for SA rugby. He is a genuine loss. I know quite a few guys here will agree with that. The other side though, is that he still have a pretty full cupboard when it comes to locks, its possibly the only position where we could lose a player of his quality, and not be too negatively affected. S till, a big loss. 
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
29 Jan 2019, 11:40
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29 Jan 2019, 11:40#3

How do you square up the following?:

“He's the nearest thing I've seen to Bakkies Botha, he has that quality, that kind of aggression, that's rare to have both and I'm delighted for him.”

...and

Etzebeth was the number 4 - a position in which Willemse played for the Bulls”

.....with

“and his potential selection to play for the Springboks was blocked by the rank idiocy of Meyer and Ludeke to use Matfield at lock.”

Bearing in mind that...,

a. Matfield played at no 5, and..

b. Willemse is compared to Bakkies. and...

c. Willemse was actually competing with Etzebeth for a spot in the Bok team   .

It somehow reminds me of a time we were told that the scrumming of Beast improved in a test, after Bakkies, who was scrumming behind Jannie du Plessis, was replaced by De Jager.


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Jan 2019, 17:22
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29 Jan 2019, 17:22#4
Hahaha.....yes the Matfield compromises the prop in front of him argument by DCup. Except inconveniently the compromised prop was in front of the other lock.
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sharkbokCaptain23,253 posts
29 Jan 2019, 17:37
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29 Jan 2019, 17:37#5
I don't really think if Willemse will be selected for France is a question at this stage. It is just when he will play. His visa fell through prior to the EOYT games, so he would already have been capped.

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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
30 Jan 2019, 14:44
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30 Jan 2019, 14:44#6

Willemse has always been a class act and should have been a Bok ages ago.

To think that he was deliberately overlooked makes one understand why we are where we are today.

Let's face it ... the idiocy of Meyer left it's mark ... and we're feeling the effects of it to this day.

It really didn't help either when one far worse was appointed after him.

How many more talented white boys are going to leave our shores?




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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
30 Jan 2019, 14:44
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30 Jan 2019, 14:44#7

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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
30 Jan 2019, 14:44
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30 Jan 2019, 14:44#8

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Jan 2019, 16:06
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30 Jan 2019, 16:06#9
'How many more talented white boys are going to leave our shores'......let me guess, you are staying in Dunnottar.
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
30 Jan 2019, 17:01
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30 Jan 2019, 17:01#10
“Posted by: mozart (26459 posts) Jan 30, 2019, 16:06 'How many more talented white boys are going to leave our shores'......let me guess, you are staying in Denotter.” Back in the day the SAAF pilots used to call it “Donker Dunnottar”.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Jan 2019, 17:22
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30 Jan 2019, 17:22#11
Not that far from Springs geographically, but a cultural wasteland. Thanks for the spelling though....love the "u"...Duh-nottar?
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
30 Jan 2019, 17:44
#12
30 Jan 2019, 17:44#12

Moffie ... you really should work on your material ... repeating yourself constantly just adds to your image as a bore ...



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CeradynePro9,374 posts
30 Jan 2019, 17:56
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30 Jan 2019, 17:56#13
“Posted by: mozart (26460 posts) Jan 30, 2019, 17:22 Not that far from Springs geographically, but a cultural wasteland. Thanks for the spelling though....love the "u"...Duh-nottar?” Wasteland or not, the nickname for the place was more of an affectionate term rather than anything else for those pilots. It was, after all the start of their flying careers. Don’t know if it still is. Much like The School of Infantry for Infantry men in the SADF or Artschool (School of Artillery), at Potchefatroom, for the gunners, etc.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Jan 2019, 08:04
#14
31 Jan 2019, 08:04#14
Willemse will in fact start for France tomorrow night.   
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Jan 2019, 08:12
#15
31 Jan 2019, 08:12#15

CC

There is a constant number of players who left SA because of the dark days of Meyer and Ludeke.  An even more poignant departure is Duhan van der Merwe, who next year or even in the WC play for Scotland, unless Erasmus calls him up to play in tests this year.

He is the top wing in the European Champions Cup this year playing for Edinburgh and will walk into any international NH team this year,   Real idiocy at play in this case. 

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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
31 Jan 2019, 09:07
#16
31 Jan 2019, 09:07#16

We have had top guys playing for Japan, Italy, Scotland, England, Ireland and France ... and there's more and more leaving everyday. Even Rathbone scurried off to Australia.

They're white so no one cares.

Jaco Kriel will never play for the Boks again ... not while his rightful spot is filled by that useless quota.

Same can be said for Akker, who has to sit out so some 3rd rate midget can appease the masses. 

Willemse saw that Meyer wanted Matfield back in the mix ... so did Andries Bekker ... both world class players lost to an aging trouble maker ... and to think there's some who hale Meyer as the best thing for Bok rugby since who knows when.

It just doesn't end.

Rassie wanted to play the hero ... and within a year saw that it was best not to tarnish his "reputation" by being head coach of the Boks. Selecting Quota Outa Kolisi was one of many mistakes and now he's leaving his mess for another to fix.

I can only imagine who these wank stain will select next as Bok coach. 

 

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bluebokPro3,977 posts
31 Jan 2019, 10:35
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31 Jan 2019, 10:35#17
Mike, you are so obsessed with Meyer and Ludeke it is actually quite funny. What has Ludeke had to do with anything? He was a lowly franchise coach, that has been out of the picture for 4 years. He had some success with the Bulls, but turned out to be ineffective as his game plan became outdated...just as has happened to most of our other coaches. What makes him so bloody special? The very fact that you mention Meyer as some repelling factor, and fail to mention Coetzee who was a much worse coach, and a more recent coach just illustrates your total bias and your obsessive agenda against Meyer. I put it down to you just being retired and bored, so you say these things to bait Moz and co, so they'll respond and give you something to do. At least, I hope that's all it is, because if you actually believe this rubbish, then I suggest you seek help. Please please please...just...let...it...go. We are more than bored stuff....we are exhausted!  
The reality is that there are two reasons South African players are leaving. Quotas and the power of foreign currencies. Once they get to places like France, England and Ireland, they then choose to stay because the future looks brighter in those countries than it does in South Africa. Simple. 
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
31 Jan 2019, 17:46
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31 Jan 2019, 17:46#18
Good luck to Willemse.....to me he offered something different to Etzebeth, Lomp and Snyman. More of a blocky type like Krynauw Otto. ...which adds to rucking power. A combination of Willemse and Etzebeth could have been something special. Although as CC kindly notes, I always thought Eben would be the better jumper at 5.
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