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Perspective, a Bok fan's unwanted friend by Brenden Nel

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
29 Aug 2014, 07:11
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29 Aug 2014, 07:11#1

For all the howls of anger that have come after the Salta great escape by the Boks, perhaps it is time for a bit of perspective.

Let’s start by saying it like it is. The Boks were poor in Salta. They allowed the Pumas to dictate the pace of play, had to play catch up and very, very nearly paid a heavy price for it.

But they won.

Let’s not forget that.

The Boks won. And what happened? Social media exploded with calls for the Bok coach’s head, every player to be sent to Siberia and to be “replaced by young and exciting players”.

Rugby is a funny game. Coaches bore us with their endless talk that “any team can beat any other on their day”. We nod, and carry on.

But it is true.

Argentina are ranked 12th in the world precisely because they play two teams. A locally-based younger side in the June internationals, and a European based, star-studded team in the Rugby Championship.

Plus there are a few other factors that come into play every year.

Argentina go away for a camp for a month and then face the Boks twice in a row. They’re up for the game, well-prepared and have loads of passion and pride to play for.

Later on, when New Zealand and Australia eventually head to South America, they’re out of the competition, their fire has been doused and they have injuries. They’re not the same team anymore.

The Boks have struggled in all three years since Argentina have entered the Rugby Championship, with a draw in Mendoza, followed by narrow wins in 2013 and 2014. The factor in all three tests? Referee Steve Walsh.

Walsh is notorious in how he favours home teams, how he allows a free-for-all at the breakdown and the Boks have been frustrated with him before, despite his good record for reffing Bok victories.

To be honest, if I was the Bok management, if Walsh is appointed for the same fixture next year, I’d have some serious questions for Sanzar and the IRB.

In Salta Walsh didn’t give one penalty to a defending team at the breakdown. When last did you see that happen. Two penalties in total at the breakdown, in a test where both sides fiercely contested matters.

Of course, the Boks should rise above the ref. We all know that.

And the fact that they didn’t get on top, and were rattled by a very good Puma performance will be looked at. They are a better team than they were at Salta. We know that and they know that. The best way to answer critics as well is to head to Perth and set the record straight.

But for folks to call for Meyer’s head is ridiculous. The Bok coach has an 82 percent win record, 22 from 27 wins in his career and is only eclipsed by Kitch Christie’s 14-game unbeaten run.

Compare apples with apples. This Bok team has not lost a game to a Northern Hemisphere side in two years. Other coaches lost games up north, we forget that.

The only blight on Meyer’s record is the All Blacks.

And fair enough, we need to measure ourselves against the best. Four of the Bok coach’s five defeats have come at the hands of the All Blacks.

And he hasn’t beaten them. But then again nobody else has in the past year-and-a-half either.

Last year the Boks could have won in Auckland, had it not been for the ridiculousness that was Romain Poite and his card-happy calls. Ellis Park saw the Boks try and go head-to-head in an expansive try festival, and they lost.

In both games they could have won, and in both they had the All Blacks worried.

Last Saturday the All Blacks produced a performance that would beat any side in the world, and they continue to set the pace.

But they have a central contract-system, a country that works to make them the best with provinces who know the All Blacks are more important than their needs, players whose fitness is geared towards test rugby and a group of players who physically would match anything we have.

We sometimes live in a mistaken belief that we possess unbelievable depth and talent in this country. If that was the case, why did four of our five Super Rugby sides not make it into the top half of Super Rugby? And the fifth was dead on their feet from being overplayed.

Test rugby is a battlefield. Even if you’re a little off your game, and the other team is switched on, you will struggle.

We have a Bok team that is successful, that works hard at improving their game. Brendan Venter puts it well in his column when he says “As a supporter, are you able to weigh up a player’s holistic worth to the team cause or are you hypercritical of each and every performance?”

Experience is vital, and anyone close to the game can see the value that players such as Victor Matfield, Fourie du Preez, Jean de Villiers and even Juan Smith add to the side.

Their calmness under pressure, their leadership and their all-round excellence is crucial to the team’s success.

We all want the Boks to win every game, we all want them to perform.

And while we can disagree about selections and criticise a team’s performance, we must remember, we are not the All Blacks.

They have distinct advantages that South Africa will never have.

But the Springboks are a damn good team.

When they get it right they can beat any team in the world, including the mighty All Blacks.

So when a coach with an 82 percent win record, and one whose team scored 47 tries last year and 27 this year (in six matches), has a tough day at the office, he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

The Boks will bounce back from Salta. They deserved criticism for their performance but they deserve perspective as well. Not howls of anger and calls for the coach to be axed.


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Aug 2014, 07:27
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29 Aug 2014, 07:27#2
How pleasant to read a mature writer's perspective. The biggest fallacy in the fantasy world of Bok rugby fans is the depth of talent delusion. If we don't win or do well the coach has failed or not selected the best players. The thought never occurs that we would be worse without our mature players...that perhaps on the day no better result was available. We ignore decades of mediocre S15 and age group performance and dismiss Bok success as expected.
The truth is we perform above reasonable expectations in green and gold, and great players are rare. We produce about two great players a year and the rest are place holders. 
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moolaaPro2,380 posts
29 Aug 2014, 07:51
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29 Aug 2014, 07:51#3
 Don't remember the ABs ever being worried in the Eden Park test vs the Boks last year Brenden! What makes you think the result would've been different if Bismarck had stayed on the field?
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
29 Aug 2014, 08:01
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29 Aug 2014, 08:01#4
 Mooolaa, open your bovine-like eyes, Mr Nel said, 'could have' not 'would've' .
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moolaaPro2,380 posts
29 Aug 2014, 08:06
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29 Aug 2014, 08:06#5
 Blob, he said that the Boks had the ABs worried. They never got close enough to achieve that! That was my point... 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Aug 2014, 08:08
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29 Aug 2014, 08:08#6
 Mozart
I do not think that Meyer should be axed - but I do think it would be wise for him to take note of the performance of some of the players involved.   I for one do not see major changes to be made in the team itself - but you refer to mature players without regard to perormance requirements.
Experience certainly has advantages - but if experienced and mature players do not meet reasonable performance creiteria they are a hindrance to the team.    You will find mature players like Gurthro Steenkamp and Bakkies Botha - whose test perormances have been mediocre at best over the past year.   Both plays for about 14 minutes an then become invisible.   Alberts is another mature player - who thankfully will not be in the enxt two tests.   A low work rate player - who delivers the absolute minimum and who has let us down in RC tests in the past - the Ellis Park test last year being a typical example.
Jannie du Plessis is a good example of a similar player - acceptable in teh June tests followed by two very poor [performances against the Argentinians.   He is bound to be severely tested in the upcoming two tests - the opponents has "smelled" some weaknesses in him and they are going to explore those and put him under serious pressure.    Whether he will eb able to deal with those remains an open question.
The great hope of some is around Victor Matfield.   Nobody really looks objectively as to whether Matfield in fact produces the goods.   His line out work is fine - but does he really do the physical work required form a Tight 5 player?   He is bound to eb severely tested - especially by th AB's and if his showings thus far is to be taken into account - he is likely to be sidelined very effectively by them.
Lastly we have Morne Steyn - who was a major part of the losses to the AB's last year with dismal performances at both Eden Park and Ellis Park.   He played little riugby this year - because he was int eh main the bench player of his club.   In the second Welsh test he put up a dismal performance as well.   His problem remains - a robotic player with poor decisionmaking abilities.
For the upcoming tests the real weaknesses are the pedantic Ruan Pienaar - the robotic Morne Steyn and the seriously questionable Victor Matfield and Jannie du Plessis - hopefully Steenkamp and Botha would not be ont he bench either. 
The Springboks have had a poor record playing tests in Perth.   I went there to watch two of the tests and they managed to lose both.   They do have a chance to bet the Aussies - but if we have a rapidly retreating scrum - like the past twow eeks and a disfunctional halfback pair we are in for a loss.
So lets hope that Matfield can perform against tough opposition and that he does not become invisidle in the game only showing up when the occasional line outs.                

  
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
29 Aug 2014, 08:27
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29 Aug 2014, 08:27#7
Mooolaa, we got close in both tests & that would've worried the ABs . Enjoy your team's deserved no.1 status  but spare us the arrogance please .
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bluebokPro3,977 posts
29 Aug 2014, 10:13
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29 Aug 2014, 10:13#8
Moolaa, go and read the article again. I think it quite clearly states that the AB's are the best team and that the Boks CAN beat them, NOT that the Boks are better. As Blob has already stated, the Boks were in both games against the AB's last year. And of course playing against the best team in the world minus an on form Bizmark for 50 odd minutes, could have changed the result. Stop being so defensive you dumb@$$, this article compliments the All Blacks. 
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moolaaPro2,380 posts
29 Aug 2014, 12:39
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29 Aug 2014, 12:39#9
 I'm not being defensive lads. I just don't think that in that test the ABs were EVER in any real danger, hence my comment. Honest opinion from me.Now Ellis Park was a different story; Boks shot out to a 15-3? lead from memory and the ABs were certainly worried!
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WardadPro6,663 posts
29 Aug 2014, 15:39
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29 Aug 2014, 15:39#10
 So this bok fans unwanted friend , does it come once one a month ?
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Gonzo the GreatClub Pro560 posts
29 Aug 2014, 15:51
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29 Aug 2014, 15:51#11
 moola with xv men the boks were dominating the breakdown in a very big way and the scrums too that would have been a telling factor.

Mozart I think we do have great depth but the problem is that fans call all the youngsters the best players or the greatest in generations way before they prove anything. we have more fast and skilful players than ever before and that with over 200 south africans playing outside of south africa! we do damn well for that new zealand could neverhave so many good players abroad and be competitive at any level of the game, we have depth but no respect for the talent that we have. guys like morne in particular get bashed and no hoper losers like lmbie and goosen get protected. i just dont get it. and the coach as well, i already posted about that. in that way i think white saffers are a bunch of azzholes, at least black fans create some kind of frikin positivity and gratitude. when they turn out for the boks they are always better than the fat ignorant prik faced whites im so tired and ashamed of these sour baztards!
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